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Bipolar disorder

Bipolar disorder is NOT a PERSONALITY disorder. They might exist together, but are seperate Axis I, and Axis II disorders.

intro too abstract

I'm sorry but the introduction describes an amorphous psychological blob. I minored in psychology, and I can't understand it. From the first sentence:

″ enduring maladaptive patterns of behavior, cognition, and inner experience, exhibited across many contexts and deviating from those accepted by the individual's culture.″

That describes depression, bipolar, sociopathy, schizophrenia, and pretty much every other mental illness. The rest of the intro seems to go into detail, but there's a lot of repetition of the same abstract phrases; doesn't help. EG:

  • enduring behavioral and mental traits
  • enduring collection of behavioral patterns
  • deviating from those accepted by the individual's culture
  • deviate from social norms and expectations

Teach with examples. With bullet points, describe a handful of PD disorders (most common) and also describe similar but non-PD disorders, and why they're not classified as PD. Describe them in enough detail so that one could say "Oh yeah, I know a guy like that". Don't say "patient was deviating from social norms"; be more specific like "patient might pull his pants down in public" or something concrete like that. OsamaBinLogin (talk) 10:39, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@OsamaBinLogin The page is meant to reflect what the relevant commonly uses; IMO many personality disorders in the past are now defunct in part for being arbitrary, and the ones that are still in the DSM-5 are defined fairly anomalously. The way that PDs are defined is that to meet a diagnosis a person only needs some subset of a list of symptoms, which necessarily means that statements about them end up being broad/vague because different PDs don't have much in common.
That also means what you are suggesting to add examples seems problematic at face value, as person 1 with a hypothetical 1-PD might "might pull their pants down in public", person 2 with 1-PD may not, and person 3 with another hypothetical 2-PD may only "pull their pants down in public" only when experiencing "frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment." (Which is one of the criteria for BPD.) If you can find a reliable source with qualitative reports that could be used as examples, that could potentially be used, but I think it would be WP:OR in any other case due to the diverse causes and presentations of PDs.
I will number the things you have pointed out as 1-4.To illustrate that these are accepted descriptions from the psychology community, I will quote the opening section on personality disorders from the DSM-5:
"A personality disorder is an enduring pattern of inner experience and behavior that deviates markedly from the expectations of the individual’s culture, is pervasive and inflexible, has an onset in adolescence or early adulthood, is stable over time, and leads to distress or impairment."
1 and 2: an enduring pattern of inner experience and behavior
4: deviates markedly from the expectations of the individual’s culture
That being said, I do think the article could be better written and structured. I don't think it's possible to summarise all 10 currently recognised PDs in the lead section. But it could help to move the table "Millon's brief description of personality disorders" further to the top of the page, maybe WP:SS at least for the 10 ones in the DSM-5, maybe more clearly distinguishing those from PDs no longer recognised.
I started by filling in the epidemiology table, and hope to improve other parts of this article too.
Darcyisverycute (talk) 14:23, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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