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Category:GS Consolat players
- Propose merging Category:GS Consolat players to Category:Athlético Marseille players
- Nominator's rationale: GS Consolat is the former name of Athlético Marseille. Essentially, all these players in this category should be in Category:Athlético Marseille players. We should just merge this into that. Otherwise, just delete the other category and move this category there (or just delete this one). Anyways, there just needs to be one category called Category:Athlético Marseille players and this one can't exist. Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:23, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 19:18, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- Merge at Category:Athlético Marseille players. GiantSnowman 19:20, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
Category:900 mm gauge railways in Iceland
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:35, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Not a category that's going to have more than a single entry anytime soon. Kj cheetham (talk) 22:10, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:900 mm gauge railways. That parent has a lot of single-page sub-cats which should probably be merged likewise. I have raised the point of principle at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains#Small categories by gauge and country. – Fayenatic London 11:07, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Good point, I fully support merging. -Kj cheetham (talk) 14:47, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Merge -- no need for a wider upmerge as article already in Category:Rail transport in Iceland. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:12, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
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Category:600 mm gauge railways in Iceland
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:38, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Not a category that's going to have more than a single entry anytime soon. Kj cheetham (talk) 22:10, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:600 mm gauge railways, as Kj cheetham has not given any rationale for removing the article from that parent. – Fayenatic London 11:05, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Good point, I fully support merging. -Kj cheetham (talk) 14:47, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Merge -- no need for a wider upmerge as article already in Category:Rail transport in Iceland. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:13, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
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Commercial seafood
- Propose merging Category:Commercial fish to Category:Edible fish
- Propose merging Category:Commercial molluscs to Category:Edible molluscs
- Propose merging Category:Commercial crustaceans to Category:Edible crustaceans
- Propose renaming Category:Commercial echinoderms to Category:Edible echinoderms
- Nominator's rationale: merge/rename, ambiguous characteristic, how should we distinguish commercial edible fish from non-commercial edible fish? All edible fish in these categories is traded and sold. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:24, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Sensible solution. No Great Shaker (talk) 11:32, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support Other taxa are not segregated in this arbitrary manner. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:21, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support. Makes sense, including the new category Category:Edible echinoderms that fits the scheme. --AlienFood (talk) 08:54, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - I'm neutral on the matter, but aren't the vast majority of fish edible? Is this really that defining of a characteristic for a category? Inter&anthro (talk) 19:28, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- Fair question, but that requires a separate discussion about the target. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:39, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. In fact I think a better argument could be made for reverse merging Edible X to Commercial X, or even deleting some or all as WP:NONDEFINING. As mentioned above, nearly all fish are edible (from guppies to sharks), yet not all have commercial operations (e.g. devoted industries and/or specialized fishing techniques). A species of fish may be eaten occasionally or ceremonially by some people, but not farmed or hunted on larger scales. Many marine and freshwater fish are commercially caught around the world (often for human consumption) rendering the categories (if fully populated) enormous, practically useless and largely redundant to Category:Fish taxa. --Animalparty! (talk) 21:23, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support No way can we judge whether over centuries different species have been commercially exploited. Rathfelder (talk) 12:24, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
- Reverse-merge in light of Animalparty's !vote. Commerical is a lot more vague than edible, although personally I do not have a strong opinon on either, and both categories could do with a healthy purge. Another option is to rename into something such as Category:Aquatic species that are commercially fished or Category:Aquatic species that are commercially caught for "X", if there is a consensus for a name change. Inter&anthro (talk) 22:46, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
- There are some arguments against your proposed categories. Many marine species that are used by humans are neither fished nor caught but farmed, e.g. salmon, algae, oysters. --AlienFood (talk) 07:28, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose commercially fished sealife is not only about human edible sealife. There's other things that are fished and turned into fertilizer and animal feed and jewelry and other products -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 04:52, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
- Presumably you support reverse merge then? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
- That doesn't make sense either. There are many human edible sealife that is not fished commercially, even if they are traditionally eaten. They may be not commercially viable due to population size, habitat, being an endangered species and thus illegal, etc. -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 16:34, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- (as nom) I am neutral on the merge direction. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
- Reverse merge doesn't make sense as fish and mollusc species might be edible but are not used commercially, e.g. endangered species. --AlienFood (talk) 07:28, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose most fish/molluscs/crustaceans/echinoderms are edible (i.e., humans can gain calories from eating them without being poisoned). Some of those that are poisonous can be detoxified with appropriate preparation (is fugu an edible fish? People do eat it without dying.) Most species in these groups aren't regularly eaten by humans for a variety of reasons. They may taste bad, be small in size, occur in small numbers, occur in places that aren't easily accessed by humans (e.g. the deep sea), etc. Commercially fished species are the ones that humans eat regularly. Edibility is too broad a criterion to be WP:DEFINING. There is some gray area with "commercial"; commercial could cover a spectrum of species sold in global markets for millions of dollars annually to species that a subsistence fisherman might occasionally sell to their neighbors. However, I think "commercial" is more manageable as a defining characteristic than "edible". I would be inclined to delete the "edible" categories, but included articles shouldn't be simply recategorized as "commercial" without confirming that the recategorization is appropriate. Also, note this previous deletion discussion:Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 December 10#Category:Edible cephalopods. Plantdrew (talk) 02:16, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JBchrch talk 19:19, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Polo clubs
- Propose merging Category:Polo clubs in China to Category:Polo clubs, Category:Polo in China and Category:Sports clubs in China
- Propose merging Category:Polo clubs in India to Category:Polo clubs, Category:Polo in India
- Propose merging Category:Polo clubs in New Zealand to Category:Polo clubs, Category:Polo in New Zealand and Category:Sports clubs in New Zealand
- Propose merging Category:Polo clubs in Nigeria to Category:Polo clubs, Category:Polo in Nigeria and Category:Sports clubs in Nigeria
- Propose merging Category:Polo clubs in Singapore to Category:Polo clubs, Category:Polo in Asia and Category:Sports clubs in Singapore
- Propose merging Category:Polo clubs in Venezuela to Category:Polo clubs, Category:Polo in Venezuela and Category:Sports teams in Venezuela
- Nominator's rationale: upmerge per WP:SMALLCAT, all have only one or two articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:51, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JBchrch talk 19:12, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep all part of an established hierarchy of categories, and isn't polo increasing in popularity, so cats all have potential to expand. PamD 20:13, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- It is not an established tree, there are only 10 country categories including the above 6 which are heavily underpopulated. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:21, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Category:Hollywood, Los Angeles history and culture
- Nominator's rationale: split, throughout the category tree we have history and culture separated (with cultural history as the intersection), there is no reason why we wouldn't apply that to Hollywood to. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:39, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Haven't checked the entries in the category but I'm assuming Marcocapelle has. Gonnym (talk) 14:43, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Support. Split is sensible and proposed word ordering is spot on. —jameslucas ▄▄▄ ▄ ▄▄▄ ▄▄▄ ▄ 19:21, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
Category:West Lusatia
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 3#Category:West Lusatia
Category:Christian bell towers
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 3#Category:Christian bell towers
Translators en-en
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: delete - @Pppery: please go ahead amending the templates (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:33, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale Nonsense user categories - one cannot meaningfully translate (or proofread a translation) from English to English. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:36, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Gonnym (talk) 14:47, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: this appears to be a by-product of the userbox {{User Proofreader}} used without parameters, or {{User Translator}} with
|en|English
as parameters. Clearly, the templates' code should be amended. – Fayenatic London 11:32, 23 April 2022 (UTC)- {{User Proofreader}} is a wrapper around {{User Translator}}. That and {{User Translator 2}} are the two templates that need to be updated, which I will happily do when this discussion is closed. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:42, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
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Category:User en-sa
- Propose merging Category:User en-sa to Category:User en-za
- Nominator's rationale: Don't need two categories for South African English. "En-za" appears to be the correct code. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:31, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Pppery per en-au below, wouldn't this be en-ZA? Gonnym (talk) 14:46, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- The reason for the uppercase naming convention below is that is what mw:Extension:Babel forces people to use. Since there's no mw:Extension:Babel population going on here, there's no reason to rename to uppercase, although I have no objection to merging both to Category:User en-ZA instead. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:48, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Pppery per en-au below, wouldn't this be en-ZA? Gonnym (talk) 14:46, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Use Category:User en-ZA consistent with other uses -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 04:30, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Rename the older one Category:User en-sa to Category:User en-ZA, merge the other. – Fayenatic London 11:34, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Category:User en-cñ
- Nominator's rationale: Previously deleted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 January 4, then recreated out-of-process one month later. The reasons for the original deletion appear to still be valid. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:31, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Category:User en-au
- Propose merging Category:User en-au to Category:User en-AU
- Nominator's rationale: Per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 June 4#Category:User en-ca * Pppery * it has begun... 16:31, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Gonnym (talk) 14:45, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Rename the older one Category:User en-au over the new one. – Fayenatic London 11:35, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Category:User smo
- Propose renaming Category:User smo to Category:User sm
- Nominator's rationale: Rename to use ISO 639-1 code rather than ISO 639-2 code. Alternately, delete as the category contains only one userbox and no actual users. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:17, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Rename; keep the userbox pagename around as a redirect -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 04:31, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Category:Members of the All-India Yadav Mahasabha
- Nominator's rationale: This follows earlier discussions (Category:Nair people CfD and WT:IN - Caste lists vs. Caste cats) where editors reach consensus not to have caste-categorizations. All the articles categorized are unsourced to be a member of the organization except Poornima Krishnappa, thus a blatant violation of WP:BLP and/or WP:OR, where applicable — DaxServer (t · m · c) 15:38, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete, a mere membership of an organization is hardly ever a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:29, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
Category:PAGES WITH LOGIN REQUIRED REFERENCES OR SOURCES
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:16, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: If this isn't used, it should be deleted. If it is used, it should be moved to a NON-SHOUTING version. Fram (talk) 13:04, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Note; we already have Category:Pages with login required references or sources, so I guess the above is redundant and unused. Fram (talk) 15:45, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. I created it at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 136#CATEGORY:PAGES WITH LOGIN REQUIRED REFERENCES OR SOURCES because a template combination sometimes added the all caps version and it was an ugly red category on articles. The templates no longer add it so it has nu purpose now. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:10, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. I probably should have realized looked more closely and realized that this was useless when I added parent categories on December 10. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:17, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
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Category:LGBT motorboat racers
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:22, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Farfetched categorization with just ONE entry.Mill 1 (talk) 12:31, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete -- A trivial intersection. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:45, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:00, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
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Category:People from Cherry Tree, Pennsylvania
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- The result of the discussion was: soft merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:25, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Small one-county community with just two entries. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:01, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Na'vi
- Nominator's rationale: "navi" is not a valid language code. The collaborative value of a category grouping users who have
a basic understanding of
a constructed language invented for a film is questionable. * Pppery * it has begun... 22:25, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment it would depend on the language community, if it were as active as the Klingon speakers or the Sindarin/Quenya speakers, or Esperanto speakers. It does have the IETF code "art-x-navi" so it would seem there would be some users. -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 20:32, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 05:12, 20 April 2022 (UTC)