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Wrong flag added yesterday

The flag of French Guiana is the French flag, as it is part of France and has no flag of its own. The flag was correct in the article until yesterday, when it was changed to a green and white unofficial flag. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.184.107.151 (talk) 14:16, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I tried changing it but someone changed it back Flags200 (talk) 02:52, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

possible to add |cctld = .nu ?

Morning, possible to add the TLD .gf to the infobox?~Thx, 80.62.117.175 (talk) 10:58, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"GDP highest in South America" and why this statement is problematic

The first issue with this statement is that Uruguay has a higher per capita GDP both PPP, and Nominal. The second issue with the statement is that French Guyanna is not a country, it's a region of France, but the statement is implicitly comparing it only to countries. In its comparison with other regions it falls far short of having the highest per capita GDP. Sao Paulo for instance has a per capita GDP that is 50% higher, and perhaps a more fitting comparison, the British Overseas Territory of the Falkland Islands has a per capita GDP that is 400% higher, so the statement fails in both of those regards as well. Notably the statement is not supported by any sources, which makes sense because it's a weird thing to say and because it is not true. Also as a South American, the statement comes off as being a bit... imperialistic, no? "The richest part of South America per capita is a current colony of France" what adds insult to injury is that that statement is a lie to boot. Regards 189.4.76.222 (talk) 10:23, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Uruguay had a nominal GDP of US$16,111 in 2019 according to the IMF (source is in the article), compared to US$17,099 for French Guiana (source also in the article). As for São Paulo State, it had a nominal GDP per capita of R$48,542 (US$13,285) in 2018 (last year available, as per [1]). It's doubtful that the GDP per capita of São Paulo State could have increased so much in one year so has to pass French Guiana's. Regarding the Falkland Islands, can you seriously compare a territory of only 3,000 souls with no proper economy of its own and completely dependent on support from the UK with a territory of nearly 300,000 people and a much more diversified economy? If you don't like the wording, reword or qualify it instead of deleting the information just because, as you confess it in the end, you don't like it because it sounds "imperialistic" (I wonder how the French Guianese would feel about that...). ព្រះមហាក្សត្ររាជ (talk) 18:07, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This is the definition of Original Resarch, there are no sources listed that state that French Guiana has the highest GDP in South America, rather you are taking different sources and synthesizing a statement. WP:OR : "Wikipedia articles must not contain original research. The phrase "original research" (OR) is used on Wikipedia to refer to material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published sources exist.[a] This includes any analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources." Specifically see WP:SYNTH "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources. Similarly, do not combine different parts of one source to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source. If one reliable source says A, and another reliable source says B, do not join A and B together to imply a conclusion C that is not mentioned by either of the sources. This would be improper editorial synthesis of published material to imply a new conclusion, which is original research performed by an editor here." There is no source which states that French Guiana has the highest GDP per capita in South America, thus the statement can not remain. I welcome you to go out and find a source that says that however, I searched myself before deleting the problematic material but was unable to find one. 189.4.76.222 (talk) 18:58, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I found some Reliable Sources on GDP per capita in South America, unfortunately none of them actually list French Guiana. The WorldBank has has no entry for French Guiana under Latin America and Caribbean. The IMF has no data for French Guyana, it places Uruguay at the top for South American countries however. Statista also places Uruguay at the top in a nifty infographic. The CIA World Factbook has no entry for French Guiana in South America, it does however list Chile as having a per capita real GDP for 2019 of roughly $25k USD, which is intereting. So there's nothing. No, no, no. So I'm sorry but this statement is not only not supported by Reliable Sources, but actually in contradiction of reliable sources. 189.4.76.222 (talk) 20:00, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly largest Region in France

The official prefecture site literally says its 91000 square km. The largest Region in France is only 84 061 Butchstead (talk) 10:17, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well this article says 91,000, Regions of France says 83,534. Further, this article says French Guiana is the second largest, and R egions of France shows French Guiana in second place, after Nouvelle-Aquitaine with 84,036. So either the latter article is wrong about the population and both articles are wrong about French Guiana being only in second place, or else this article is wrong about the population and both articles are correct about it being in second place. It might be better to identify a reliable source that isn't French Guiana's own website, and then rectify both numbers and footnote them. Largoplazo (talk) 12:23, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
...Ok here is a reliable source alongside the official prefecture site (which is a reliable source). The book France's Overseas Frontier lists the area as 91000 km. Butchstead (talk) 03:56, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I find sources that say 90,000, 83,846, 83,934, 84,000, 86,504, etc. I'm not really feeling myself in a position to judge their respective reliability, but it really is puzzling where this diversity of figures comes from. Largoplazo (talk) 11:17, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Unsure what the particulars for any source may be, but there's lots of potential for variation. There's including or excluding territorial waters, including or excluding EEZ, and including or excluding various disputed territory. CMD (talk) 12:25, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well the prefecture website and the book are good sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Butchstead (talk • contribs) 08:31, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I never saw this discussion. Last month or so, I saw an anon change the number and look into it. It appeared that questions had been raised in the French National Assembly as well.[2] The 91,000 figure was a guesstimation from 1936(!), and the total area was defined as 83,846 km2 in 2005 by surface projection. KittenKlub (talk) 13:24, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The flag again

Per https://www.drom-com.fr/categories/presentation-generale-11314/articles/le-drapeau-guyanais-167.htm, from Drom.Com, "le portal du droit outre-mer" (the overseas legal portal), in 2017, "Il n'y a pas de drapeau guyanais officiel adopté dans un texte précis ou encore validé par le corps électoral" (no official Guianese flag has been has been spelled out as such in any text or validated by the electoral body). Therefore, there no Guianese flag can be presented as the official flag of French Guiana in the infobox. Largoplazo (talk) 03:37, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Let me add a little background. The yellow and green flag was created and adopted by the Regional Council. The French government didn't approve, and therefore, there is no specific flag. The reason why people keep adding that flag, is that quite a number of official organisations ignore the order to remove the flag, so it is quite common as an unofficial, unapproved flag. KittenKlub (talk) 07:52, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose we could get a general consensus that flags placed in that slot don't have to be official as long as they're commonly used, but at the moment I don't believe we have that. Yet—you're saying that (despite being ignored) the French government is issuing orders to remove this flag? In that case I'd say Wikipedia has no business identifying it as the department's official flag—it's the opposite of that, an outlaw flag! Largoplazo (talk) 09:24, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Largoplazo IIRC, the French government stated that only the French flag is valid according to the Constitution.[3] I don't think that there are strict orders to take it down though. The French wiki [:fr:Drapeau de la Guyane] is severely lacking references, however it states that many institutions and municipalities display the unofficial flag. Also the French Guiana football uses the unofficial flag.KittenKlub (talk) 10:31, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Why have the "(more than one-seventh the size of Metropolitan France)" and " (Its population is less than 1⁄200 that of Metropolitan France.)"

Why not write them both as unicode fractions, or both as words (i.e. one-twohundreth) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.109.102.65 (talk) 08:37, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See MOS:FRACTIONS. Spell out fractions when the numerator and denominator are each a single word. ("Two-hundredth" is two words. "Twohundreth" doesn't exist.)
Also, Unicode fractions shouldn't be used. That isn't a Unicode fraction you're seeing, it's a fully written-out "1/200", but with special formatting applied by the {{frac}} template. Largoplazo (talk) 11:15, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Read the section of the WP:LQUOTE essay titled "Wikipedia is not bounded by external guides, anyway". The second and third paragraphs of this section have 4 different examples of wrong and right reasons Wikipedia's manual of style follows special rules for punctuation. Can you write a similar sentence that starts with "We avoid Unicode fractions, not because...but because..."?? Georgia guy (talk) 11:30, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The "but because" part is in the earlier version of my response, above, written:
  • when I thought the OP meant that a single Unicode fraction representing 1/200 was being used and
  • before I discovered that it wasn't such a single character. before I discovered that the rendering of "1/200" was produced by a template.
Another reason would be that it would impede accessibility if screenreaders don't know how to interpret such characters.
This was before it occurred to me that Unicode also doesn't have a character for 1/200.
The "not because" would be "not because we have anything against Unicode characters per se". Largoplazo (talk) 16:39, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

French Guiana border with the Netherlands?

Is the statement that French Guiana shares a border with the Netherlands still correct? It seems to me that it isn't since Surinams independence. Is it possible that someone used an outdated source for this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.90.205.97 (talk) 21:36, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The word "Netherlands" appears nowhere in the article, so I'm not sure what you're referring to. Largoplazo (talk) 22:49, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Very sorry about this. You are right, the claim is in the article about France, not French Guiana. I got lost. 95.90.205.97 (talk) 18:59, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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