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Kyra 19:06, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Pywikipedia framework

A couple of quick questions about the pywikipedia framework which I just recently grabbed. I don't know how to actually code in python, but would Replace.py work as a standalone script? Main reason I am asking is because I am planning on submitting the next task for my bot using Pywikipedia instead of AWB to keep IE free for other uses, since I am quite certain that it will take at least ten days to finish at six edits per minute. Second, I don't see any edit rate variable/control specified in either login.py or replace.py, so even if I did get approved to use Python, I wouldn't know how to keep it in check.

And the last immediate question that comes to mind, is it possible to either test the script offline or use a separate account (or just use VixDaemon) to test within its own subpages for small scale testing? I can't find any policy that explicitly disallows it, but I'd like to make sure it is allowed before proceeding with that route, at least. I hope you have a most wonderful day, Mets. ^.^ Kyra~(talk) 04:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Kyra. Actually, I'm not great with python either, so a better person to ask about the framework would be Cyde, who wrote much of it. There is an edit rate control in config.py, by the way. As far as testing, making a few edits to a sandbox subpage with the bot account or a different account is no problem. :-) —METS501 (talk) 23:34, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Buraisu

User Buraisu is terrible at making edits to articles. For example, the hotboxing entry has been changed multiples to reflect that it is, in fact, not a term that has anything to do with running multiple instances of a game at the same time. Not now, not ever. Additionally, he thinks that it is possible for unicorns to have mulitple horns, and you should not be surprised if you see an edit to that article to fit "his definition."

<Personal attack against another editor removed> —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sumaloo (talkcontribs) 08:11, February 15, 2007 (UTC)

Okay, first, please do not make personal attacks against other editors. Not only does can negative comments hurt their feelings, but it can drive editors away from Wikipedia, and that's not a good thing. Also, if you have an issue with Buraisu, why not cordially talk to him on his talk page and see if you can resolve your differences amicably? Sometimes a simple chat is all that is needed, other times further dispute resolution may be in order. I do hope you and Buraisu can resolve the problem you two are quarreling over. Have a wonderful day. Kyra~(talk) 08:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I BE REPLYIN'
The time for talking cordially with Mr. Buraisu Albedo Naivedo Naruto Hand Seals McMulti-hornedunicorn has long passed. He has proven to be unreasonable, and as such, extreme measures have been taken. He also edited my page to show a picture of a pig, which I find offensive because my mom is a pig and she died to be made into bacon. Please take action against this user right away. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sumaloo (talkcontribs) 08:45, February 15, 2007 (UTC)
You can change the contents of your userpage if you want you know; you aren't required to keep the picture of the sow on there. Also, I am unable take any actions upon the user in question as I am not an administrator; even if I were an admin at the moment, I am unable to clearly see what policies he is violating. I'd recommend at least attempting to try and talk with the user first. Since this appears to be a content dispute, it would be advisable detailed message about why you disagree that the information he wishes to include should not be included within the disambiguation page and post it on Buraisu's talk page. I hope you have a good day. Kyra~(talk) 09:06, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Buraisu Responds

Hello, this is Buraisu. The person above is a internet troll from the World of Warcraft United States Deathwing server. The user followed me to the hotbox topic after I referred to the term hotbox as a person using more then one computer at a time. The internet troll then linked the topic hotbox on wikipedia where he went to point out that it said nothing about using more then one computer as hotboxing. The trolls point was to report me for using a drug term when I meant it as a computer term. Then, I signed up for wikipedia where, I a new user edited the page to reflect the term hotbox where it relates to using more the one computer at a time. This term is used by west coast nerds at events like Penny Arcade Expo and other things. I did not make up or create the term like they are saying. They think I magically made it up and am the only person that uses the term and they think it's some kind of game. It was not made up by me nor do I use more then one computer at the same time. I did though, point out that my roommate does.

The internet trolls followed me here and have been flaming and attacking everything I edit under the user:buraisu, including my user page, topics I edit and other things. I try to talk to them like a normal person but like the example above shows, it leads to them flaming me for no reason. The ONLY reason they have a problem with the topic hotbox which has been under major attack by them is to spite me. This also includes my userpage which has been under major attack from the internet trolls.

There arguments are pure hate and are out of spite for me. They have no base and are just here to flame. They should be reported and temp-banned ASAP. Though, I don't think they should be permi-banned because I believe, one day when they grow up they could be a great source on information for wikipedia. It saddens me that they followed me to wikipedia and are causing trouble.

I did edit their userpage when they first started flaming me just to get them back but I have stopped doing it because I don't wanna go down to there level anymore. Since I quit attacking back, they have still attacked me day after day. I did add a pig picture to there userpages when I attacked, I thought it was funny and anyways, they had nothing on their page anyways. I have taken the fight over the hotbox topic to their talk pages and my talk page but they still vandalize the other areas of wikipedia.

The only way I see this fight stopping is if someone steps in and stops the internet trolls from personally attacking me and undoing my edits. They have no creditability at all for there edits like I have pointed at before.

Thanks for reading what I have to say. --Buraisu 09:16, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings, and salutations, Buraisu. Might I inquire if you have any reliable sources with which to verify that the term "hotbox" is used to refer to a user using more than one computer at once? I am pretty sure that a source or two (on the talk page as the page in question is a disambiguation page) as well as a friendly message to Sumaloo would be sufficient to end this small feud. Also, please keep the three-revert rule in mind when editing. I do hope that the two of you are able to come to an agreement over this issue. I hope you have a good day. Kyra~(talk) 09:40, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Sumaloo isn't wearing any pants right now

We're here to edit your made-up definitions. We were reasonable from the beginning, but you, for some reason, try to stick by your bizarre definitions and blatant misuse of the English language. Since you're insane and have to change your fake definition back the moment after it happens, we decided to have some fun with your user page. And fun we did have!

Oh, yeah. Obviously you didn't make up the term, but rather heard the term hotbox from some random place in a different context, and then mistakenly used it incorrectly. When called out on this, you proceeded to lie about the definition and where you got it from. Now you're trying even harder to save face on here, which at least is hilarious. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sumaloo (talkcontribs) 09:29, February 15, 2007 (UTC)

Not that I mind my talk page being a place to converse with other editors or anything, but please remain civil and assume good faith. It is quite possible that the term is not made up, but merely unsourced. If either of you can find a reliable source to confirm that the term hotbox is correct in the definition of a user using multiple computers at the same time, that should bring an end to this. Again, as with Buraisu, I sincerely hope you both manage to come to an agreement over the issue. Kyra~(talk) 09:40, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Will you go out with me? I'm afraid that if I don't ask you first Buraisu will come after you. He has a thing for anthropomorphized animals.
Yours, SuMa-LoO the GREAT —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sumaloo (talkcontribs) 09:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]
No thanks, but thanks for the kind offer. ^_^ Kyra~(talk) 10:06, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
^_________^ --Sumaloo 10:10, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Buraisu Responds

I made nothing up. You were not reasonable from the beginning, if I remember correct, the response I got for using the computer term for hotboxing was to say "We're going to report you for using a drug term," and then I said "No, hotboxig means to use more then one computer at the same time. Hot being that having more then one computer in the same room makes it hot and box being the computer case itself. This is used by nerds all the time and hotboxing does not have just one single usable." These internet trolls are only here to spite me. Sorry, I am not that great at the English language nor did I take any credit with coming up with the term. I first heard the term about 4 years ago and it was not a mistake or misuse. I asked them what they meant by hotboxing and they said they were going to use more then one computer at the same time to play some video games. Later, I heard a story about a guy using five computers to play a MMORPG and the people used the term hotboxing. The first source of this definition has never met the second source which lead me to believe that this is a term used all the time. The third time I heard the term used was just 3 months ago by my dorm roommate because he is a nerdy type that has 3 computers and plays in MMORPGs in parties fully made up of his own characters. The fourth source I have is 100 so called "Nerds" from the Penny Arcade Expo. They used the terms hotboxing, duel-boxing or just boxing. Also, when I was fighting with the internet trolls on the Deathwing forums, they said that what I think hotboxing is, is really called duel-boxing or boxing. Which is why I added them to the definition of the computer term hotboxing.

I have not lied once about this term nor is it made up. I don't even use the term, other people do. I don't "duel-box" or do anything like that. I am not trying to fight with these internet trolls, I am only helping out by adding the term to wikipedia. I don't understand why they three or more internet trolls are fighting with me over a one line definition under the hotbox topic. It doesn't even take up that much space nor matter at all. I don't really care what they think but I think it funny that I add something to wikipedia and they are trying to fight with me over it. Like it even matters at all. They are also pointing and laughing at me because I am undoing there edits.. undoing takes less time then editing, who is really wasting more of there life's in this fight?

Oh and I am sorry Kyra that we toke over your talk page. I think, we both want you use you as a judge on this fight. Personally whatever you judged, I wouldn't mind but I don't see a end to this fight anytime soon since they are only doing this to spite and make fun of me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Buraisu (talkcontribs) 09:47, February 15, 2007 (UTC)

No, no, it's perfectly fine. Best to keep the discussion in one place if you are going to talk. Buraisu, can you provide a reliable source than mentions the term hotboxing in more than just a trivial fashion? That should bring an end to this, as the threshold for inclusion (as stated by Wikipedia:Verifiability) is verifiability, not truth (emphasis maintained); I am pretty sure that will bring this content dispute to a close. Kyra~(talk) 10:06, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
We weren't reasonable? Someone joked about reporting you for using drug-related terms, you tried to define it, and everyone offered you the real term that fits your definition, you lashed out at everyone for being "no life loser retard idiot trolls" (paraphrased). When we showed you the lack of your definition on this site and UrbanDictionary, you added it somehow thinking that would make it an acceptable definition. We removed it, and here you can see a large amount of edits to the page on your part, and mulitple edits from several other different people.
It's amusing that you can apparently remember the 100 so-called "nerds" using the term. Your self-proclaimed status as some sort of mega nerd does not give you some sort of twisted authority regarding terms that may be connected in some way to nerds. It's also amusing that you claim you don't use the term yourself when you were the first person to mention "hotboxing" in that thread about level 70 BE pallies. We feel that your definition is erroneous, and that's all there is to it.
More edits!!! Hooray! Your first source was never stated by you to anyone, but it's interesting that the impressively specific time and who of "about 4 years ago" and "they" finally showed up. Then you heard a story? About some guy? These don't sound made-up in any way. No sir.
Eternally yours forever and ever, ~._.~*'SuMa-LoO-MaH-ZuMa the VERY VERY VERY GREAT GREATEST GREAT DUDE'*~._.~—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sumaloo (talkcontribs) 09:55, 15 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]
If Buraisu finds a source, would that be satisfactory, Sumaloo? Kyra~(talk) 10:06, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tony Danza

the the whole "Cultural references" of Tony Danza's page is unreferenced so i feel it unfair you removed my edit. In the UK people do sing "hold my closer tony danza" when singing elton johns "tiny dancer". Hes not got much else going for him so i think this should be mentioned. J —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.10.102.61 (talk) 01:07, 16 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

It's been handled; I removed the entire section due to it being totally unreferenced. And if you can cite a reliable source that they do sing that, then feel free to add it back in, as the threshold for inclusion within Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. I would like to let you know that I was not trying to discriminate against you by singling out your edit for removal, it's just I did not see that the other statements were unreferenced at the time. I hope you have a most wonderful day. Kyra~(talk) 01:15, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]