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Wonky daily ridership numbers
Something is way off with the daily ridership numbers. Last year they were a little less than 1 million per day average. Now it's listed as 1.5 million per day! There is no way it increased by 50% in one year.... Mattximus (talk) 23:39, 23 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Line 5 LRV Capacity
There is some ambiguity over the maximum capacity of the Flexity Freedom LRVs used on Line 5. The Metrolinx infographic says each 5-module LRV has a capacity of 163 [1], while the Bombardier document says 251 [2]. GKarastergios (talk) 16:41, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In March, various levels of government held a ground breaking ceremony and "declared" that the line was under construction. While some news agencies mirrored the government's claim, others such as Global News and CTV News (used as the citation for this article) only reported on the event itself. On other Toronto transit projects such as Line 6 Finch West, it was not until major construction began (i.e. not including minor works such as utility relocation) that the infobox was updated to state u/c. Given that the big contracts for the Ontario Line have not even been awarded yet, it could be a while before major construction beings. BLAIXX15:06, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If the major contracts haven't been awarded, it sounds premature to list it as "under construction" to me. Making a bigger deal about something actually minor sounds pretty much par for the course for the current provincial government. —Joeyconnick (talk) 16:03, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
iirc, Line 5 Eglinton had "ground breaking" ceremonies in 2011 and 2016! Agreed with others that the line isn't under construction yet. Turini2 (talk) 21:58, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to have to be the lone dissenter here, it is officially under construction [3] from the official page of the company responsible for its construction. Many of us may have different definitions of what it means to be under construction, but that would be WP:OR. I think we must simply report what the official site says. Mattximus (talk) 01:07, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Calling Metrolinx a 'company' is an odd description, it's a government agency that answers directly to politicians (who are pushing a narrative that work is under way, for their own ends). As no major work has been tendered to a private firm as yet, I have to side with the previous commenters. Radagast (talk) 02:10, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think your intentions are good but "simply reporting what the official website says" is absolutely NOT what we should do on Wikipedia! It is Wikipedia policy that articles should primarily be based on secondary sources. This is because the primary/official source may be biased. To elaborate on what Radagast said, Metrolinx is an agency of the Government of Ontario which is only two months away from a general election so we need to be cautious of what they claim versus what other reliable sources are reporting. BLAIXX14:45, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That too but all I meant was that the people making the claim may be doing so for their own benefit (i.e. the government seeking re-election in June may be embellishing the progress of their major infrastructure project). BLAIXX15:21, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
IF the purpose of wikipedia is not to use primary sources but secondary, then try these: [4], [5], [6], and many more. Just because you or I think it isn't under construction, if I have at least a half dozen secondary sources (including CBC, CTV, etc...) and they all say it has begun, it's WP:OR is it not? Mattximus (talk) 20:27, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Neither the tunnelling contract, the stations designs contract, the rolling stock contract, the signalling contract or any other major engineering contract has been awarded. Ergo, it's not yet under construction - remember there's a general election two months away, and Metrolinx is in the business of making the Government look good. Turini2 (talk) 20:37, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The CBC and CTV articles you linked do not say that the line is under construction, they say that the government says that the line is under construction. There is a difference. BLAIXX21:50, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have read both articles and both said what Blaixx said. There is a difference between what the provincial government says and what the journalists say, especially given what journalistic standards reliable sources abide by. At least the CBC and CTV are being honest in this case, unlike certain clickbait sources (such as BlogTO). Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:00, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Is a black version of the system map permitted?
I made a system map with a black background because I feel it looks better than the white version, but would a black version violate copyright because it's so close to the official TTC version? Transportfan70 (talk) 05:39, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think that a black version of your map would be fine copyright wise - however, I feel that a black background version is significantly less readable and useful for readers than a white background map. Therefore I think the status quo is best. Turini2 (talk) 10:00, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Here's the black version I made with Line 5 open (would be uploaded to article after opening): See if you think it's appropriate when enlarged:
yeah it looks fine copyright wise, but I think a white version is much nicer and more readable than that - given accessibility considerations, we should probably stick with the white. Turini2 (talk) 19:31, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I like the black background but I cannot see UP clearly on it. Also what does the skinny part of line 5 represent? It's not "above ground" because it is not made skinny elsewhere above ground. Mattximus (talk) 15:09, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The skinny part is the street-running segment and the thick part is where it has full grade separation from car and pedestrian traffic. BLAIXX15:12, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Toronto streetcar system#Track gauge. Joeyconnick (talk) 18:35, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
