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    May 11

    Added "Gallery" and uploaded images but images not shown when update applied

    I want to add an image gallery to page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deo_Damla

    I used the text editor and toolbar buttons and ended up with: ==Gallery== <gallery> [[File:Deo Damla peak from approach valley Nanda Devi north sanctuary Thu 19 Jun 1980.jpg|thumb|Deo Damla peak from approach valley]] [[File:Deo Damla peak from above camp2 SW ridge Nanda Devi north sanctuary Sun 22 Jun 1980.jpg|thumb|Deo Damla peak from above camp2 SW ridge]] [[File:Deo Damla peak from camp3 SW ridge Nanda Devi north sanctuary Mon 23 Jun 1980.jpg|thumb|Deo Damla peak from camp3 SW ridge]] </gallery>

    All 3 image files uploaded OK but when I save my edit the "Gallery" heading is present but no photos are displayed.

    What should I do to fix this?

    I have fixed it for you, the square brackets were not needed. Theroadislong (talk) 10:53, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for that, I'm a newby contributor "just trying" without doing any proper study of tutorials. I've got some more historic photos to contribute, so off I go. Asmdorje (talk) 06:32, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Asmdorje: Are you uploading photos that you took yourself or did you find them somewhere online? If you didn't take these photos yourself, then you can't really claim them as your c:COM:Own work for Commons' purposes and you will need to get the c:COM:CONSENT of the person who did take them. If you did take these photos yourself, then you should try to upload them with their original c:COM:EXIF data instead of scanning them; in the latter case, you may be asked to verify your COM:CONSENT as explained in c:COM:VRT#Licensing images: when do I contact VRT? because high resolution scans often are tagged for review per c:COM:EVID. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:20, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Asmdorje You haven't yet said -- did you take those pictures yourself, 40 years ago? 73.127.147.187 (talk) 08:08, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    (I know it has only been one day since MarchJuly asked you...) 73.127.147.187 (talk) 08:09, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Slurs

    There was a sexual slur on a page and I wanted to replace it with a non slur that meant the same thing (I was replacing dykes with the word gays) and it got removed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1009:B125:AC8C:253D:CFBD:C63F:D432 (talk) 18:31, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Which article are you referring to? It's difficult to give a good answer without more context. 331dot (talk) 18:57, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Not all gay people are dykes. We need more context.
    Asparagusus (interaction) 14:44, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The original wording may be appropriate. Wikipedia is not censored. Mjroots (talk) 08:01, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    How to request a section be edited for poor wording.

    Under variants on this page,; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_208_Caravan There is the statement ". While the 192 hp (143 kW) more powerful PT6A-140 gives a 11-knot (20 km/h) higher cruise speed". It appears, when I read it, that this plane model has a 192hp engine. The engines are much higher power than that, I believe they meant it was 192hp above the "norm".

    How can I contact the person who wrote the article, and ask they consider rephrasing it.

    Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rem1061 (talk • contribs) 19:54, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Cessna 208 Caravan isn't protected in any way, so you could edit the article yourself as long as the changes were reliably sourced. Alternatively, you could put in an edit request at Talk:Cessna 208 Caravan.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 20:26, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Rem1061 you can go to the "View history" tab of the article and then "Find addition/removal" and search for 192. It was added here by User:Marc Lacoste, who is still active. Linking their user name and signing the post should notify them. TSventon (talk) 20:32, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Rem1061: I think the wording is clear. The PT6A-140 is "192hp more powerful", not that it has 192hp. 108.52.196.8 (talk) 21:28, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Rem1061 In my opinion, this phrase is ambiguous. The parenthetical expression in the middle does break it up in the original prose. It should either be a "192hp-more-powerful" engine, or else a "192hp, more powerful" engine (which means it's 192hp total, which is more powerful than the original engine). But it's hard to include the 143 kW phrase in there.
    How about "the PT6A-140, which is 192hp (143kW) more powerful than the standard engine, gives a 11-knot (20 km/h) higher cruise speed..."? 73.127.147.187 (talk) 04:20, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello there! This part is in the Cessna 208 Caravan#Variants section, describing the larger 208B Grand Caravan variant, stating with a more powerful 867 hp (647 kW) Pratt and Whitney Canada PT6A-140 [...] While the 192 hp (143 kW) more powerful PT6A-140 gives a 11-knot (20 km/h) higher cruise speed. I think it's pretty clear the PT6A-140 produces 867hp, not 192hp. This is 192hp more than the 675hp of the regular PT6A-114 variant. Reading the whole paragraph avoids any ambiguity. It may be improved, but it's not easy as it's a list of technical details. Note this was the result of a long discussion, as I proposed to show those details in a table, while other seasoned aviation editors preferred to show it in prose.--Marc Lacoste (talk) 05:58, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, you are right that reading the whole paragraph helps make it clear. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 08:11, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Editing a draft that's failed article submission

    I noticed there isn't an article in main for the 3rd Fowl Twins book 'The Fowl Twins Get What They Deserve', but found a draft that someone else tried to submit as an article. It failed and it's just sitting there.

    So I'm wondering since it's been tagged as a failed submission, is there a special process for attempting to improve it if I chose to, or letting other editors know about it? Or can I just go ahead like it's a regular article?

    It kind of feels like I'm jumping on someone else's work. KaraLG84 (talk) 21:34, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Draft:Artemis Fowl Twins: Get What They Deserve was only declined not rejected, so anyone is free to edit it and re-submit, it only has one sentence in any case. Theroadislong (talk) 21:40, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah ok. Thanks. KaraLG84 (talk) 22:00, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    May 12

    Two questions about article grading

    1. As I prepare to send an article to WP:GAN, is it acceptable to contact an editor (individually at their talk page) for their opinion of the article? If it is acceptable, which type of editors should I pick? If no, is there any alternatives to WP:Peer review that I can use?
    2. Is there a template that centralises requests for re-grading an article?

    Thank you and please ping on reply. NotReallySoroka (talk) 05:11, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    @NotReallySoroka, you can probably ask somebody, but you have to make sure that you aren't burdening them. Why don't you want to use peer review?
    Asparagusus (interaction) 14:22, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Can't find Wikidata page of a person/article

    Hi. Why Toni Storm does not have a page on Wikidata? Would someone please create her page there?

    Have you tried https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q27049393 MilborneOne (talk) 08:37, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Mann Mann, that's d:Q27049393 for short. (So she has an entry. But if she hadn't, this would probably be because no human or bot had yet got around to creating one.) -- Hoary (talk) 08:41, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @MilborneOne and Hoary: Her name is wrong there and that was the reason why I didn't find the entry. I will correct her data. Thanks for the help. --Mann Mann (talk) 08:44, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    That's a bit surprising, Mann Mann. I'd never heard of her. I went to Wikidata, searched there for "Toni Storm", and was shown entry d:Q27049393. This ESPN story is evidence that her real-life name is Toni Rossall: do cite this when you revise the Wikidata entry. -- Hoary (talk) 09:56, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Hoary: Because she is a professional wrestler, and professional wrestling has become a niche entertainment. Seems only wrestling fans and members of WikiProject Professional Wrestling visit, read, and edit PW articles. Cheers! --Mann Mann (talk) 10:08, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Mann Mann: If an article is connected to Wikidata then it has a "Wikidata item" link under "Tools" in the left pane of the desktop site. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:20, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @PrimeHunter: Ahhh... why I was so careless?! Very helpful, thank you. --Mann Mann (talk) 11:34, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Revert vandalism

    please revert the vandalism regarding names and show descriptions on total wipeout immediately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.75.46 (talk) 08:10, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    The Oversighters can remove personal information from edits, if that's what you're talking about. If you'd like to request some personal info removed, go to the Requests for oversight page and try contacting one there. I don't quite know what you mean about the descriptions though. (If you're referring to short descriptions, they can be enabled on Desktop with some widgets.) Explodicator7331 (talk) 13:24, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    i mean on revert vandalism on Total Wipeout. please do so immideatly regarding the above topics— Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.75.46 (talk)

    Please sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~) so we know that you wrote them. There hasn't been any recent edits to that article, so you are going to need to be much more specific about the issue you see. 331dot (talk) 13:49, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Looks like the vandalism was kindly reverted by X201. Thanks for reporting the issue! GoingBatty (talk) 14:52, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Proper Format to Add Citations in the Inbox

    Hey y'all, I tried adding these three citations to the Persian language page in the infobox:

    https://plc.sas.upenn.edu/persian

    https://www.langcen.cam.ac.uk/resources/langp/persian.html

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/what-countries-speak-farsi

    Of course, I broke the page by accident. You can check out the format I used on the Persian language page which incidently broke it. Anyone know how I can add these to the "Native to" section in the infobox without completely ruining it?

    Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Windafarna (talk • contribs) 18:15, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello, Windafarna. You managed to get <ref> and the </ref> the wrong way round between your first and second addition. So instead of closing the first ref and starting a new one, you essentially put an empty ref in the middle of the-ref-that-contained-your-first-two-urls.
    However, please do not use bare URLs for references: see WP:REFB for how to format them properly. ColinFine (talk) 20:38, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Thanks for help! I've gone and put the citations there and thank god I didn't break the page this time, and the citations aren't bare either but are formatted. Appreciate your help and advice. Windafarna (talk) 22:53, 12 May 2022 (UTC)Windafarna[reply]

    Recent Deaths

    Once again the English language Wikipedia has a bunch of who's that's on the RD section and has skipped NBA Great Bob Lanier's passing. A person noted for his humanitarian work. I request that his name be added ASAP so that the world may shed a tear or two along with his family. Please see to it that this is done quickly. RJCamp21. thank you

    RJCamp21 Please sign your posts with four tildes(~~~~). Recent Deaths can only post what is nominated. Please make a nomination at WP:ITNC. 331dot (talk) 18:26, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Rjcamp21: He was nominated and posted yesterday [1] at Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates#(Posted) RD: Bob Lanier. He was removed after 27 hours to give main page time for other recent deaths.[2] PrimeHunter (talk) 18:58, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Rjcamp21, your tone is a little "brusque". The Help Desk is for editors to get help editing WP, although we do see a lot of requests (and demands) for the experienced editors here to do something, and often to do something right now. It looks like your request was handled. WP is not meant to be a breaking news source -- the world can mourn his passing even before the info is added here. Thanks. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 08:24, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Also, not to pile on, but please understand that WP does not have anyone assigning areas to work on, or to make sure that certain things are not missed. All of the editors are volunteers, and each editor chooses what to work on. Maybe none of the editors who were active in the one or two days between his passing, and your request, were interested in basketball or noticed that he had passed. Perhaps they had other things they wanted to work on. Anyway, it's done now. Cheers. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 08:32, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @RJCamp21- The help desk is not a forum for you to complain about the main page. Whether you consider that guy notable or not, you can't just make people do it here. This is not the place to nominate someone. This is, however, the place where editors get help with editing. As PrimeHunter said, he was already there.
    Asparagusus (interaction) 13:35, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Also, Bob Lanier is literally listed on the recent deaths right now (albeit he'll be the next one to roll off when someone else is added). They're ordered by date of posting (which is when the article is nominated at WP:ITNC and then good enough to be posted on front page), not by date of death or any sort of perceived importance. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:40, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Also, it does look like Lanier was taken off and then re-added later on for some reason. Which is why it wasn't there at time of nomination, but is there now. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:46, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    How do people have access to recent articles when they are not on the web?

    For example, here on Pierre Poilievre#40th Parliament it says in the second paragraph, "Poilievre became referred to as the Conservative Party's "attack dog"" with three citations, none of them linked. I can't even find them on the web so how do people cite them? Ak-eater06 (talk) 20:52, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    The citations are to articles published in 2009-2011, they aren't 'recent'. As for how they were accessed, libraries often keep copies of publications. Wikipedia has no requirement that sources have to be accessible online. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:06, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    A quick search of the article title and publication name turned up links to 2 of the 3, so I've added those to the citations just to make everyone's life easier. But as was mentioned, WP:OFFLINE sources are acceptable. VernoWhitney (talk) 21:10, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Kindle

    Amazon did an update to kindle. Now my Wikipedia won’t work. Why? They said it was your problem. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.121.162.69 (talk) 21:46, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello. The people who hang out here generally know about editing, not user interfaces or underlying software. I suggest asking at WP:VPT. ColinFine (talk) 22:32, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    May 13

    How to attribute joint authorship between an agency and a person?

    In the article Church of Scientology, I fixed reference 214, as follows:

    {{cite news |agency=AAP |last=Wright |first=Anne |date=2009-11-18 |title=Senator Nick Xenophon brands Scientology a 'criminal organisation' |url=https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/senator-nick-xeneophon-brands-scientology-a-crimina-organisationl/news-story/c1d9e5562712ad046aad66e3088be1fa |work=Herald Sun |location=Australia |access-date=2022-05-13}}

    The source article attributes authorship to "AAP and Anne Wright". Is there a better way to attribute joint authorship between an agency and a person? -- Ghastlyman (talk) 06:09, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Never mind, I replaced |agency=AAP |last=Wright |first=Anne with |vauthors=((AAP)), Wright A. I think that's correct. -- Ghastlyman (talk) 06:43, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Review of article

    I have added a article named "Mothparja", a small village. I have expanded it , have given infobox, sections and also have given references. But except that it is a stub-class article. So please help me to improve it and increase its level. If there is any mistake please correct it.FAAHS (talk) 08:23, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello, FAAHS. I've added Talk:Mothparja to WP:WikiProject Pakistan. You might like to ask for somebody at that WikiProject to review and grade it. ColinFine (talk) 09:56, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Order of categories

    Let's say that a "John Doe" article belongs in categories "2022 births", "People from Foo", "Everymen", "Award for Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Excellence winners", "War of the Ring veterans", etc. In which order do categories go in the bottom of the article? Order of significance? Alphabetic order? First come, first served? Anything goes? Cambalachero (talk) 12:58, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    I looked at Help:Category and I don't think there's any specific order.
    Asparagusus (interaction) 13:28, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    MOS:CATORDER says they can be any order, though some people like to re-order them to make them alphabetical, which isn't required. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:30, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Generally speaking, whatever order you think of them in. So the first relevant category to come to the mind of the person adding categories comes first, and it goes from there. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 15:34, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    What is the right template to use for fair use company logos?

    Hi all

    I recently wrote an article for Dora Goodman Cameras and would like to add their logo in the infobox (see here in top left for the logo). I assume this is a fair use image but can't work out which template to use. Does anyone know?

    Thanks

    John Cummings (talk) 13:34, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    @John Cummings Have you tried uploading via Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard > Upload a non-free file > This is a copyrighted, non-free work, but I believe it is Fair Use. > This is a logo of an organization, company, brand, etc.? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:58, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi Gråbergs Gråa Sång thanks, that seemed to work, can you just double check I've done it correctly File:Dora_Goodman_Cameras_logo.png? Never uploaded a non free work before. Thanks again, John Cummings (talk) 14:12, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @John Cummings Looks fine to me. I'm no expert, but I've uploaded a few and they haven't been deleted. There is a rule about the size of non-free stuff, but these days that is handled automatically by a bot, so that will be done if needed. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:20, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Perfect, thanks John Cummings (talk) 14:21, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Photo deleted

    I posted a picture of Musa Kaleem on his Wikipedia page and it's been deleted twice? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MeelakIbrik (talk • contribs) 15:47, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Did you actually take the photography yourself? You uploaded it to Commons claiming it was your 'own work'. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:52, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    The photo is of my father. My mother gave it to me. It's our family photo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MeelakIbrik (talk • contribs) 15:58, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Ok, so you did not actually take it yourself. Do you know who did take the photo? Because it is the photographer who would need to release it under an appropriate license. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 16:01, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The file is currently here but was nominated for deletion because it is the same as this image on Discogs. So it isn't suitable for Commons as it must be freely licensed. You would need clear evidence of ownership if it turns up elsewhere on the web.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:03, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @MeelakIbrik Allow me to take the liberty of expounding on IanMacM's comment. That picture appears on a Web page, and the Web page says "copyright 2022 Discogs" in the footer. So, Discogs is claiming copyright on the contents of the page. This raises questions: Did you post the picture at Discogs? Are they supposed to have that picture? Did you (perhaps inadvertently) allow Discogs to claim copyright on the picture? (I know some of the questions, but I don't know the answers.) IanMacM and ONUnicorn have given good advice -- possession of a photo does not necessarily mean ownership of its copyright. Unfortunately, copyright law is complicated. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 10:29, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Vandalism help request from 174.64.17.141

    I have noticed some vandalism at PAGENAME. Namely, BRIEFLY DESCRIBE THE VANDALISM HERE. Would an editor please assist me with fixing it? Thank you,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_MacArthur


    "(A persistent myth has pervaded the biographical literature, to the effect that MacArthur wore a "specially designed sharkskin uniform" at the 1936 ceremony to go with his new rank of Philippine Field Marshal. Richard Meixsel has debunked this story; in fact the special uniform was "the creation of a poorly informed journalist in 1937 who mistook a recently introduced U.S. Army white dress uniform for a distinctive field marshal's attire.")[120]"

    Myths and legends have no place in factual articles. This alleged "myth" is new to me. I have NEVER, in 62 years, heard this in a documentary or in a book. Please remove and investigate the admistrator responsible for its inclusion. 174.64.17.141 (talk) 17:00, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    It is appropriately sourced to an article in the Journal of Military History. It is not vandalism. Moreover, you ask that we "remove and investigate the adminstrator responsible..." It was added by Lloydfraser on January 25, 2022. Lloydfraser is not an administrator, just a regular editor. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 17:37, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    By the way - I did check the source and verified it says what the article says it says. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 17:38, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    How long has this "Vandalism help request" thing existed? This is the first time I've seen it here on Wikipedia. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 17:40, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Sounds a bit like the job a local authority near me once advertised: "Teenage Pregnancy Co-ordinator". I could think of a way of co-ordinating teenage pregnancies... (I didn't apply) -- Verbarson  talkedits 17:52, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It's coming from Help:Simple_guide_to_vandalism_cleanup#Alternative:_Call_attention_to_it. There is a button in the collapsed section for pages that are not high traffic, which generates a help desk post like the one above.
    I find it slightly amusing that people are able to figure out how to find that help page, but not figure out how to use the resulting template, or how to use any of the easier/less obscure ways to draw attention to vandalism. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 18:04, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Incidentally, Help:Simple guide to vandalism cleanup was created June 5, 2020. The button in question made an appearance that same day, in the 5th edit. So it's been there since June 5, 2020. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 18:09, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Victoria Asher's wiki page

    Hi,

    I'm a professional writer. I have agreed to help Vicky Asher with the technical requirements of her Wiki page. Will you guys work with me to restore her page, please? I have credentials if that helps.


    Thanks! Christina — Preceding unsigned comment added by Authormccastille (talk • contribs) 18:09, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! As far as I am aware, there is no page called Victoria Asher. Do you mean that you are creating a page for her? Are you being paid to edit? Even if you are not, you would still have a conflict of interest, which goes against the guidelines. A good Wikipedia article is supported by reliable sources and shows neutral point of view towards the subject. Would you be able to provide that? Wikipedia is not a place to advertise or promote people or organizations.
    Asparagusus (interaction) 18:27, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    This might be related: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Victoria_Asher RudolfRed (talk) 18:39, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    This is the result of an off-wiki campaign by the subject herself, I wouldn't pay much attention to it. PRAXIDICAE💕 18:42, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Authormccastille The first step for you in your quest to ensure Wikipedia contains an article about Victoria Asher is to read and really understand our policies and guidelines about verifiability, notability (including the subject-specific notability guideline for musicians), reliable sources, independence of sources, and how we treat primary, secondary, and tertiary sources. The second step, since you were at least asked by Ms. Asher (if not paid by her) to help recreate her article, is to read and really understand our policies on conflict of interest editing, paid editing, and the terms of use of this website. Once you have done that, you will know that the third step is to make the required paid editing disclosure. The fourth step is to do the research and gather the necessary sources about Ms. Asher. Then you can create a draft, making sure to cite your sources, perhaps using the advice given at referencing for beginners. If you want to use the text and sources cited in the former article, it is still publicly available in the page history, but make sure to provide attribution for copyright purposes as described at copying within Wikipedia. Once you have a draft that you are sure addresses the concerns expressed in the deletion discussion, I would recommend opening a deletion review, under use 3, so that you can establish consenus that your new verison adequately addresses the notability concerns raised in the first deletion discussion. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 19:40, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I would add that they should familiarize themselves with WP:SIGCOV. Passing mentions in articles do not establish notability. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:51, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:SIGCOV is part of WP:GNG - the link just links to a section on the broader page. If they read and really understand GNG, they will automatically familiarize themselves with SIGCOV. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 19:58, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Authormccastille: While all of the above is valid, I think the order is incorrect. Before you do anything else, you should convince yourself that the subject, Victoria Asher, is notable by our definition. If the subject is not notable, then there is nothing you can do to create an article that will survive the deletion process, so you will be wasting your time and our time. See WP:AMOUNT. -Arch dude (talk) 22:10, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Could you delete this thred so I don't get any more responses please? Authormccastille (talk) 22:52, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    We can close the thread, but not delete it. 331dot (talk) 23:30, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    In addition to the above, even then, it's very rare for threads to be closed on request. They usually run out of steam once it seems the question has been answered. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:34, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    May 14

    Adding an author to the site

    My mother is Author Amelia Hutchins, she was raised and born in Spokane Washington. I am trying to get her added to authors from Spokane Washington's notable people.

    She's a Wall Street Journal Bestseller, and has been on the USAT Bestselling chart numerous times.

    Wall Street Journal link, under E-books for February 5th. https://www.wsj.com/articles/bestselling-books-week-ended-february-5-11644526690

    USA Today Bestselling list is April 29th, 2021, August 5th, 2021, and February 10th, 2022

    She was born in Sacred Heart, and has lived here her whole life. She's got over 30 books published, and took the charts by herself when they said it couldn't be done. I would like her to open wiki and see herself here, in the city she loves. Site we'd like to have her added to. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_from_Spokane,_Washington

    Thank you so much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.16.121.67 (talk) 05:51, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    That would depend on whether she is considered notable enough to satisfy Wikipedia's notability guidelines for authors; in the event that she is, an article about her would be made first before being added to List of people from Spokane, Washington. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:59, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I would hope that her telling publisher's she'd just do it herself, and then doing it three times and landing on a larger list than the one they turned her down for would do it. She is one of only a few independent authors to take the WSJ without a publisher. She's pretty badass in my book considering they said it wouldn't sell, and she's sold over one million copies of just one of thirty books. Thanks for the help. 24.16.121.67 (talk) 06:12, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Wikipedia does not care about where an author was born and raised, and Spokane authors are no more notable than Mumbai authors or Tokyo authors or Lagos authors or Indianapolis authors. What is so special about Spokane? Disclosure: My great-grandparents were wheat farmers near Spokane their entire adult lives, but who cares? What matters is not listings on publishing industry backscratching bestseller lists, which are notoriously subject to manipulation. What matters are reviews of the author's books, written by professional or academic reviewers, that appear in highly reliable publications. Cullen328 (talk) 06:31, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It looks to me that WP:NAUTHOR wants more than reviews of books; it wants the author to be regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers, or else has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. It sounds like just having "ordinary" books reviewed is not enough, unless those books are significant. Am I interpreting that correctly? 73.127.147.187 (talk) 10:48, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    IP editor, you have uderstood NAUTHOR, but an author could also be notable if they satisfy WP:NBASIC "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published[1] secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other,[2] and independent of the subject.[3]". TSventon (talk) 12:18, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks fir that info, @TSventon. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 11:03, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    References

    1. ^ What constitutes a "published work" is deliberately broad.
    2. ^ Sources that are pure derivatives of an original source can be used as references, but do not contribute toward establishing the notability of a subject. "Intellectual independence" requires not only that the content of sources be non-identical, but also that the entirety of content in a published work not be derived from (or based in) another work (partial derivations are acceptable). For example, a speech by a politician about a particular person contributes toward establishing the notability of that person, but multiple reproductions of the transcript of that speech by different news outlets do not. A biography written about a person contributes toward establishing their notability, but a summary of that biography lacking an original intellectual contribution does not.
    3. ^ Autobiography and self-promotion are not the routes to having an encyclopedia article. The barometer of notability is whether people independent of the subject itself have actually considered the subject notable enough that they have written and published non-trivial works that focus upon it. Thus, entries in biographical dictionaries that accept self-nominations (such as the Marquis Who's Who) do not contribute toward notability, nor do web pages about an organization's own staff or members.

    Changing photo on page

    How can I change the photo on a page - the page is Adrian Grogan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gail Grogan (talk • contribs) 09:12, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Adrian Grogan currently has an ok official portrait in the infobox. Since he is a living person, the new image would have to be freely licensed (ie not copyrighted in any way). You can upload files to Wikimedia Commons here.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 09:35, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Gail Grogan Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. WP is very careful about copyright, but if you are in close contact with him, this can be fairly easy.
    Take a new (previously unpublished anywhere) picture of him yourself, and then upload it with the process that starts here. That is a link to Commons, a sister-site where we keep "free" images. Unless other editors think it's a worse picture, it can then be used in the article, but a newer image should be considerd a +. You can then comment here again, and hopefully someone will be willing to help or at least comment. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:27, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Adding photo to existing article

    I discovered an article about my great aunt Eveline Burchill! Quite impressive too! I’d like to add a photo, how do I go about doing that? Thanks ☺️ — Preceding unsigned comment added by LEOleeBrother (talk • contribs) 14:16, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    LEOleeBrother Please see files for upload. 331dot (talk) 14:21, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Copyright of photos is tricky (it usually belongs to the photographer), so the very best to use will be one you took yourself, LEOleeBrother or one taken by another family member whose estate you have now inherited, for example. One possibility, since Eveline Burchill is dead, you could take a screenshot from the RTE video I note is on their website and upload that under the "fair use" provisions (see WP:FAIRUSE). Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:42, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Israel in the Eurovision

    In the 'Commentators and spokespersons' section, the word 'Delayed' should be removed from the year 1997, but I don't know how to edit it without ruining the table. Can someone please assist me? KobiNew (talk) 15:38, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

     Done ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 04:29, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    HiJacked account.

    I've just got an email saying: "Someone (probably you, from IP address 160.20.148.17) has requested to reset your Wikipedia password (<https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainpage>). The following user account is associated with this email address: User name: Aspro" Well it wasn't me and I can't now sign in. What do I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:BD01:7801:F126:A90F:D6E5:A628 (talk) 15:56, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    See here. As it says, "Please contact ca@wikimedia.org if you cannot log in as a result of compromise". If the password for the username has been reset, someone must have known the email address associated with it.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:01, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    For what it's worth, User: Aspro has been indefinitely blocked for over four years. Cullen328 (talk) 18:24, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    On the Dutch Wikipedia too? Clarityfiend (talk) 22:41, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    They're unblocked on nl.wikipedia but have 0 edits there. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 04:18, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Unfortunately, if the account is compromised, someone will probably lock it, preventing anyone from logging in.[1] I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 04:22, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    References

    1. ^ "Compromised accounts". Wikimedia Meta-wiki. Retrieved 15 May 2022. Reasons to request a global lock: Accounts that are suspected to have been compromised, as a temporary measure to maintain account security until the owner is contacted.

    out of order

    you guys have the friday the 13th movies out of order , a new beginng comes before the final chapter — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.1.232.187 (talk) 21:20, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Film lists like Friday the 13th (franchise)#Films are always in release order unless otherwise stated, but I think you are also wrong if you refer to in-universe order. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:25, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Caleb Blood Smith

    (Detailed text)

    Why do you have that Smith is buried in Connersville, Indiana, that is NOT true! Years ago I sent proof that Caleb B. Smith was not buried in Connersville, the history books say that because that's what Elizabeth (Watton) Smith wanted everyone to think. But that's not the truth. Elizabeth Smith wanted everyone to think that because after the Civil War the Southern dissenters were coming from south to north descrating bodies and Elizabeth was terrified that they would do that to her husband. Smith was first buried in Greenlawn cemetery in Indianapolis, then Crownhill Cemetery opened about 6 months later and she paid $500 for a plot of her choice to have Smith buried in, but he wasn't buried there either. (A 1977 opening of the mausoleum at Crown Hill proved that, only his wife and daughter were buried there.)

    A 1977 excavation, that I attended and wrote about in the Connersville, Indiana City Cemetery was carried out in the Watton lot, or Watton-Smith lot, and Smith was found not to be there. The body that was found was Smiths brother-in-law William Watton Jr. There is a story that has pictures, letters, and consent to excavate along with other valuable information - here at https://archive.org/details/WeirdMystery/page/n51/mode/2up

    Caleb Blood Smith owned a home in Connersville, now refered to as Elmhurst and it's on Wikipedia. It has been said that Smith was buried in the basement of Elmhurst, but that's never been proven. There is a lot of speculation on where Smith has been buried, for example under the mausoluem at Crown Hill, or in Cincinnati or even behind Elmhurst. There is a graveyard behind Elmhurst. I also can't imagine that Smith would be buried at Elmhurst because he left and went to Indianapolis and died there. So I can't imagine his wife asking if they could bury a body in the basement.

    I've got a lot of info on Smith that I've found and it's all documented information, old news paper clippings, and stories from family members. Letters inquiring about the location of Smith, and recent news articles about Smith and where he's buried. No one knows, no one will probably ever know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sensionson (talk • contribs) 22:00, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Why do you have that Smith is buried in Connersville, Indiana, that is NOT true! Years ago I sent proof that Caleb B. Smith was not buried in Connersville, the history books say that because that's what Elizabeth (Watton) Smith wanted everyone to think. But that's not the truth. Elizabeth Smith wanted everyone to think that because after the Civil War the Southern dissenters were coming from south to north descrating bodies and Elizabeth was terrified that they would do that to her husband. Smith was first buried in Greenlawn cemetery in Indianapolis, then Crownhill Cemetery opened about 6 months later and she paid $500 for a plot of her choice to have Smith buried in, but he wasn't buried there either. (A 1977 opening of the mausoleum at Crown Hill proved that, only his wife and daughter were buried there.)

    A 1977 excavation, that I attended and wrote about in the Connersville, Indiana City Cemetery was carried out in the Watton lot, or Watton-Smith lot, and Smith was found not to be there. The body that was found was Smiths brother-in-law William Watton Jr. There is a story that has pictures, letters, and consent to excavate along with other valuable information - here at https://archive.org/details/WeirdMystery/page/n51/mode/2up

    Caleb Blood Smith owned a home in Connersville, now refered to as Elmhurst and it's on Wikipedia. It has been said that Smith was buried in the basement of Elmhurst, but that's never been proven. There is a lot of speculation on where Smith has been buried, for example under the mausoluem at Crown Hill, or in Cincinnati or even behind Elmhurst. There is a graveyard behind Elmhurst. I also can't imagine that Smith would be buried at Elmhurst because he left and went to Indianapolis and died there. So I can't imagine his wife asking if they could bury a body in the basement.

    I've got a lot of info on Smith that I've found and it's all documented information, old news paper clippings, and stories from family members. Letters inquiring about the location of Smith, and recent news articles about Smith and where he's buried. No one knows, no one will probably ever know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sensionson (talk • contribs) 22:03, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    @Sensionson: If you have reliable published sources, online or not, then you can edit the Caleb Blood Smith article yourself. If you do not wish to edit the article, please discuss this on the article's talk page at talk:Caleb Blood Smith instead of here at the help desk.----

    @Sensionson:, I looked at your source and I don't think we can use it, but there's enough there that I don't feel comfortable anymore stating with virtually 100% certainty that he is buried in Collinsville, so I think the best solution is to remove mention of his burial location altogether, and this I have done. There's more on the article talk page if you wish to engage further, see you there. Herostratus (talk) 00:44, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't care anymore, you can stick it where the sun don't shine, others have accepted it and know it's true, and my story about it has been in several newspapers because of the proof that I have. . and it's CONNERSVILLE, not Collinsville dumbass. Have a nice day. Sensionson (talk) 01:59, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Sensionson, someone out of the hundreds of people who have edited the article in its past 18 years of existence must have thought Connorsville was correct, or they wouldn't have added the (false?) information (it would be possible, but tedious, to find out who) but without a reliable source to cite, the article shouldn't say it, or for that matter say where else his body might be. It is of course possible that it was, at some point, interred in Connersville and later moved to somewhere else unknown.
    We could include at least some of the information you are putting forward if it has (a) been published in a reliable source (WP:RS) that has editorially checked its accuracy, and not just reprinted self-reported original research (which Wikipedia never uses), and (b) that source is correctly cited. Wikipedia does not permit in-text external links, see Wikipedia:Citing sources). It is up to the person adding the information to cite correctly, not to leave the job half-done and expect someone else to clear up the mess. You were reverted for incorrectly using external links as long ago as 2013 (by a bot, not a person), but seemingly have not learned any better in the 9 years since.
    This is a collaborative project in which (nearly) everybody is trying to co-operate to build an encyclopedia. Boldly editing (as you correctly did), Reverting the edit if thought inappropriate (as Herostratus correctly did), and then civilly Discussing the matter is all part of the standard WP:BRD process: acting aggressively and insulting other editors is not. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.208.88.97 (talk) 23:07, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Page Translations

    I used the translate feature to translate an article from Italian wiki into English. I over-wrote nearly every word of the machine translation into neutral wikipedia style, as required. I then saved it to work on it later rather than Publish it, but now I can't seem to find it. Where does one find drafts of a translated article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amantedelcinema83 (talk • contribs) 23:03, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    @Amantedelcinema83: This question is your only edit to Wikipedia, so your work was not "saved". What action did you take that you think would have "saved" it? The way you "save" something (including your question here) is to hit the miss-named "publish" button. -Arch dude (talk) 23:10, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Amantedelcinema83: It sounds like Arch dude doesn't know Wikipedia:Content translation tool which works differently from other editing. Unpublished translations in progress should be visible at Special:ContentTranslation but machine translation is disabled in the tool at the English Wikipedia so I'm not sure what you were doing. Also, new users cannot publish translations here. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:14, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I found it, thank you. What are my options? Should I simply create a new page in English Wikipedia? Amantedelcinema83 (talk) 06:17, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Amantedelcinema83: As a new user you can only create it as a draft and submit it for review. The source article must be credited. See Help:Translation and Wikipedia:Articles for creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:00, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    (edit conflict) Even if the current draft is mostly in your own words, you should follow the guidance at WP:TRANSLATE, in particular to credit the Italian source you used. You can copy/paste your current version into a new draft you set up using the WP:AFC process. Later, you can submit the cleaned-up draft for review, so experienced editors can confirm it meets our standards for new articles on English Wikipedia. Thanks for wanting to help expand the encyclopaedia. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:04, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    May 15

    Problem with Creating Draft

    Problem solved! — Preceding unsigned comment added by JudithMHWhite48 (talk • contribs) 02:43, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Is it useful to add "language" parameter to English citations?

    {{Cite web}} says: "When the only source language is English, no language is displayed in the citation." I see some editors add "language" parameter to English refs. Does it improve the ref? Is it useful? --Mann Mann (talk) 05:50, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    I'd say WP:If it ain't broke, don't fix it. No it isn't useful. So far, the language parameter, if English, doesn't modify the reference in any way, but it doesn't break it either. Not worth wasting time and effort and getting into needless edit wars with others who add this needless parameter. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 06:03, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @CX Zoom: Thanks for the reply. I agree with you. I wanted to remove it from the articles I watch and edit. But as you said, it's better to ignore such stuff. --Mann Mann (talk) 06:26, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I've also seen (but can't remember where) a suggestion to keep the tags as they can help Wikipedians working to translate articles for our sister projects. I haven't done translation work, so I don't know how much of a benefit they are. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:37, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Some tools automatically add language to items, you can safely remove them if they do - but it's usually pointless changing. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 23:04, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello. I would like to change the section title of some articles. But that would break many links to there. Do you know if there is a mean (say a robot) to redirect the links automatically to the new title. I mean, if I change "The surface integral" to "surface integral" for example, I would like to use a robot to say it: change every link to "the surface integral" to the new link "surface integral". Thx. maimonid (talk) 08:35, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Cewbot 6 does try to fix these. Galobtter (pingó mió) 09:13, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you @Galobtter. But I'm not sure I understand this bot: If I change the title of a section completely say, and leave the content of the section unchanged, will the bot do its work (automatically)? maimonid (talk) 10:55, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Maimonid: I believe that one can use Template:Anchor in such a case. If you create an anchor in a heading, with the former name of the section (such as ==Surface integral{{subst:anchor|The surface integral}}==), links to the old name of the section will still work even after you change the name. Deor (talk) 13:07, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    New article

    Hello

    I'm new to wikipedia but very interested in making my contributions. How ever I don't seem to be able to make new articles. Why is that and how can I do it?

    Regards, Lárus Sigurður. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lárus Sigurður (talk • contribs) 13:35, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Welcome to Wikipedia editing Lárus Sigurður. New editors are prevented from creating articles directly into Mainspace, as experience tells us they often don't do a good job. However they can use the articles for creation system which among other things allows experienced editors to review and accept/decline/reject the work. Please read WP:YFA or start by improving one of our existing articles in an area you are interested in — that way you'll learn the ropes before you tackle the bigger challenge of writing something from scratch. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:51, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    (edit conflict)Welcome to Wikipedia. In most cases, new accounts cannot create articles until they are 4 days old and have made 10 edits. I would recommend creating your first article in draft space and submitting it through WP:AFC so that you get feedback from experienced users. I also would not recommend trying to create a new article until you've been around for a while working on improving existing articles and are significantly familiar with the confusing maze of policies and guidelines that govern content here. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 13:58, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    I'd like to see this link-list [3] with links from templates like Template:Underwater diving excluded. Is that possible? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:05, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    You can select the Template namespace from the dropdown near the top and then check the box that says "Invert selection". Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:06, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Firefangledfeathers Thanks, but that doesn't seem to work [4]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:14, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I can't solve the general problem, but a Wikipedia search for "History of Diving Museum" finds "History of Diving Museum" plus five other articles before it starts finding articles with Template:Underwater diving. Only the first two are links. TSventon (talk) 16:41, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    That does help a bit, thanks. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:47, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    This search?
    —Trappist the monk (talk) 17:25, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Trappist the monk, thank you, that confirms my conclusion, is Help:Searching a good place to find what you just did, or is there anything simpler? TSventon (talk) 18:51, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Help:Searching is how I knew to try that search. What do you mean by simpler? Simpler search, simpler documentation, simpler something else?
    —Trappist the monk (talk) 18:55, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Trappist the monk I meant simpler documentation, to see if my Google search had found the simplest available explanation of what you had done. TSventon (talk) 20:58, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    User:PrimeHunter/Source links.js can search for links which are in the source and not only a transcluded template. It eliminates all templates at the same time and still finds articles which both have a link in the source and a template. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:39, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Josquin des Prez image scaling

    In my work on Josquin des Prez for FAR, I was trying to make the lead image a little larger, as it is rather small. For FAs we're told not to use px size (I have no idea why) so I was trying to use 'upright=1.7' (or whatever number worked nicely) but for some reason this isn't altering the size of the image in preview? Aza24 (talk) 19:13, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Removal of my name

    Dear Wikipedia, Due to privacy reasons I’d like my page to be deleted. The page is for Phyllis Grant. I don’t like having my personal info on the internet. I’m deleting all my presence. Please help! Phyllis Grant [redacted] to discuss. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Balin80 (talk • contribs) 22:51, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    I'm a bit confused about what to do now

    I reverted this edit because it looked like content removal without an adequate reason. But then the same IP reverted my edit with this edit summary:

    Big Lies! Liar! Liar! That's a Big Lie! Don't Do That or You are Grounded!

    (The diff is here)

    Should I revert again (this is the 2nd out of three reverts if I revert again)? I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 22:53, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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