Talk:Phone sex

Sources

A bit more well sourced material certainly wouldn't hurt. --Simon Speed 10:46, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. If I had reliable sources handy, they would have been added by now. I think some US-specific documentation exists in magazine articles (I'm thinking maybe the New York Times mag, not porn), but finding these would be some work. Dunno what books have been written. A Google search on "phone sex history" might be a fun afternoon for someone, but not me. / edgarde 11:18, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Finding reliable sources on the current phone sex industry is extremely difficult. I've been working on a first-person phone sex memoir project for a few years now and the best information is rarely from a published or "reputable" citeable source. That said, there is a decent but dated book by Amy Flowers called "The Fantasy Factory," published in 1998. And I know it's of no practical use, but my personal experience and research have been in agreement with the article as it currently stands. --LylaZ 18:20, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Images removed, again

I have removed the images (Image:CandlestickTelephones.jpg and Image:TelephoneHelloNellie.jpg) from this article twice now because they are not connected to it. Here's what the first image is described as:

Man and woman using telephones, c. 1910

Scanned from a period postcard. Reverse says "Printed in Saxony." No notice of publisher, date, or any copyright. Indistinct postmark appears to be 1911.

Caption: My word! You do tickle me.

The second:

Man using telephone

Scanned from a (cheaply printed) postcard, c. 1905-1915; no notice of publisher, date, or any copyright.

Caption: Hello Nellie, anything on for to night? [sic]

It's patently obvious that any attempt to imply that they have anything to do with phone sex is original research at best and outright fantasy at worst. — Hex (❝?!❞) 09:22, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

What's your interpretation of 'you do tickle me' then? Arlo James Barnes 15:08, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Flux (nude telephone call).jpg

What is the rational for including this image, other than having an attractive nude woman on the page? Based on the caption it would appear that it is intended to serve as an illustration of what someone may think of while engaging in phone sex with an unknown party, but it seems to me that the caption as it appears would actually apply better if the image was of someone who most people would see as less attractive. Either way, as much as I hate to argue against pictures of attractive naked women, I don't think it really adds to the article and probably takes away from it's credibility. 64.252.124.196 (talk) 06:45, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

I would argue that the whole point of phone sex is that it is NOT visual, so having an image at all is probably a waste of time. Diesel Phantom (talk) 17:16, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, it's not like this is something that is easily illustrated (unless we had a photo of a call center); this image doesn't appear to add anything to the article. --Golbez (talk) 18:21, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Try to remember that Phone sex is not solely about commercially provided services; people also partake within a personal relationship. Also, as I understand it, commercial service providers don't actually use call centers either, they normally sub-contracted to individuals who work from home. And isn't the cliche: "So, what are you wearing?" "Nothing!"? Bigesian (talk) 04:37, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Is there a particular reason this image was added back to the page? Wasn't it removed with some consensus for the last six weeks based on the arguments in this section? Is there a particular reason that User:Atomaton didn't discuss this before putting it back on the page? Is there a particular reason that all of User:Atomaton's edits are sex related, or why a good number of his recent edits seem to be oriented towards posting nude .jpgs and obscene .oggs at the tops of various sex related articles without discussing the images' use on those articles' talk pages? It strikes me as an SPA whose sole purpose is voyeurism or exhibitionism as opposed to objective documentation. - Diesel Phantom (talk) 02:38, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you are talking about. Many editors have particular focus areas and edit within their areas of experience. As an active member of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Sexology and sexuality we monitor and watch numerous sexology related articles. Recent edits that you talk about were to articles where a template for Masturbation had been added to a number of articles, but the editor who had placed it had placed it wrong so that it pushed the lede image for each article down. Naturally the lede image for the article has priority over a template for a category for which the topic is within. Moving the image back to the lede was necessary. Also, you will note that my edits to the Masturbation article rearranged the images so that ones associated with a given section actually were placed with the section, and included removal of an image, not addition of an image. In sexuality articles there are more frequent occurrences of vandalism than with articles in other categories, including blanking of images because people feel that a lede image should be censored.

It should be no surprise that sexology and sexuality articles, such as ejaculation, naturism, pregnancy, and breast have images that involve nudity. If you could point me to any recent edit (or any edit in my history for that matter) where I have added an obscene .ogg image, or an obscene image of any kind to an article, I would be very surprised. Perhaps I have added a sexually explicit image to an article where it is directly on topic on that article, as a good lede image is preferred for all articles if on topic.

If you have criticisms of my editing, I would welcome hearing from you directly in email or on my talk page, rather than you criticizing or attacking because my area of expertise is Sexology and Sexuality. A side area of interest is participation in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedians against censorship project as well. So, yes a frequent area of discussion for me is the removal of images because of wp:Idontlikeit, or discussion of wp:notcensored. Which, by the way, you do realize, right, that Wikipedia is not censored? Nudity is not obscenity and nudity is frequent and normal within everyday life for all people. Just because pornography exists and pornography usually involves nudity does not mean that something involving nudity is defacto pornography. Like many editors within the sexology and sexuality project, or with expertise within sexuality I believe that the more people see sexuality as just another normal part of being human, rather than as something pornographic, shameful or abnormal, the better we all will be.

If you look at my userboxes, I am sure you could criticize any number of other random aspects, such as my edits as a feminist, or as a Buddhist. When you say things like you have, such as "It strikes me as an SPA whose sole purpose is voyeurism or exhibitionism as opposed to objective documentation." it is nothing more than an attack, and is completely inappropriate. Atom (talk) 08:04, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

The words I used are "without discussing". Your recent history at the time was entirely sex articles, and your barn-stars and tendency (as demonstrated here) to act without first discussing suggest Ownership on sex articles and suggested an SPA. The words you used on my talk page were "You should not project your personal issues with shame or nudity onto others.", which actually is a violation of NPA - Diesel Phantom (talk) 18:27, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

We discussed this on my talk page, but I will discuss part of it again here, since you have -- for others benefit.

• I am a participant in the Sexology and sexuality Wiki project. My purpose in mentioning that was to answer your question as to why my edits seemed to focus on Sexology and sexuality. Most of my 7,000+ edits are in that area. You feel that participation within ones area of expertise is wp:SPA. I differ with that assessment. I feel that I am more effective in an area I am an expert in, than say, I would be in the area of sports, since I know absolutely nothing about that area. I don't see any general pattern in your total of 18 edits. We in the Sexology and Sexuality Wikiproject don't feel a sense of ownership really. We are quite active because articles in that category get more than their fair share of vandalism and censorship. Many vandalism reversion edits does not imply ownership.
• I don't see how my barn-stars could be viewed in a negative fashion. I don't think they have a barnstar for editing without discussing first. If they did, then I would not be high on the list to win that one. Please feel free to comment on my talk page if I edit in a way that steps on your toes. I prefer to get along with other people.
• The words on your talk page were regarding is not a violation of WPA, as that policy is about users attacking other users. My words were not attacking in nature. Mayne people have shame issues with nudity, and I don't consider that to be derogatory. My point was that if you happened to be one of those people, that trying to influence others to feel that way was not appropriate. It was not intended to be a slam, but more like defining a boundary.
• Generally an article without a lede image can be improved by using an image to make the article more visually interesting. Especially when the image evokes the topic well. I agree that the image that had been used in this article was marginal at best. It did make one think of the topic, but in some cases, like pregnancy a good lede image can really work. At that particular time I was going through all of the articles that are listed on the Masturbation template (shown in the right in this article) and fixing it. The person who had put in the template had inadvertently placed it first, pushing the lede image out of the article. I repaired that, and in a few articles there was no image. This article was one of those. I replaced the image that had been on the article in the past. My thought was that a marginal image added some visual flair in this case, even if an ideal image was not available. I am not sure what would be ideal for this article -- a 65 year old women in a rocking chair talking on the phone? In this case there was apparently a recent discussion on the topic of the image yet again in the article. I missed that in my quick review of the talk pages. My apology for stepping on your toes. When the image was removed -- it stayed that way. We are all apparently okay with that. So, lets move on. Atom (talk) 20:36, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Image:Phonesex.svg

This image is awful and I'm going to remove it. Somebody produced it and added it to the article where it met with much hostility from various editors. I moved it to the Commons and svged it, trying to be positive and also because we have so few images on the subject. But the thing is so badly drawn that it can barely function as a basic illustration and I think it undermines the encyclopedic status of this article. --Simon Speed (talk) 21:32, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Raju sarkar

Raju sarkar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.69.159.213 (talk) 07:25, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

A "secret" conversaton?

Color me crazy, but it doesn't have to be secret. I've overheard it in public all the time. 24.117.9.135 (talk) 16:07, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

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