Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2023

Is this really necessary

We usually wait till the winter of the previous before we create the next article Yarisplayz (talk) 18:27, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Yeah I feel like this should be made a draft, if anything. Granfcanuon (talk) 06:15, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Why? There is actual news and information coming from a reliable independant secondary source, so this does not qualify for WP:TOOSOON in my eyes. Other articles such as the Olympics and other major tournaments are also being created years in advance when there is information available, so I don't see why this has to be any different. — TheThomanski | t | c | 18:49, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

If a mention from a single independent source is enough then we can create articles about basically anything. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 12:18, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Sure if you want to go there I've added 4 more sources, and can add even more if you really want to. — TheThomanski | t | c | 09:41, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

That just seems like a WP:REFBOMB to me. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 09:55, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Just adding more sources does not immediately mean notability bomb. Actually read a section before you cite it. — TheThomanski | t | c | 20:01, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes I did read it. References should be there to support the content; all these extra references really don't. As far as I know the only reason you added them is to make the subject appear more notable. There is currently nearly no information about ESC 2023 from reliable sources. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 23:00, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

please drop the article

the rules clearly state that the winner hosts. ukraine will not even exist soon. there will therefore not be a esc 2023. the EBU needs a year to change the rules. maybe it can be hosted in a different country in 2024 but, 2023 is impossible. 84.212.100.141 (talk) 09:32, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

The rules do not state this. It's tradition, but not required. Historically non-winners have hosted Eurovision for a multitude of reasons, mainly lack of funding from winning countries. Besides, Eurovision is an annual event. By your logic, the 2020 article should be dropped because the event didn't happen. In the extremely unlikely event that ESC2023 doesn't happen, it's notable for that alone just like 2020. Your request is invalid. MinMinnH (talk) 11:58, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

the rules was changed during the 80s so that only the winner can arrange. after which, the winner always have. my request is very valid. the contest will either be held in ukraine or not at all. since ukraine will not exist next year, no contest can be held.84.212.100.141 (talk) 12:21, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

1) Provide a source for the supposed rule change. I haven't been able to find anything of the sort. 2) Your speculation on Ukraine's continued existence is irrelevant and inappropriate. MinMinnH (talk) 12:38, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Can we remove "Declared interest in hosting"

there is zero confirmation Ukraine wont host and this really feels like jumping the gun and insinuating that an external nation will 100% host it, if Ukraine does decide to not host this can be readded but for now i dont think it should exist Popeter45 (talk) 12:55, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

There is also zero confirmation that Ukrain will host. It's tradition that the winning country hosts, but not at all necessary. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 14:57, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

the status quo is that Ukraine will host so that should be assumed unless otherwise stated Popeter45 (talk) 15:24, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

We don't assume things on Wikipedia, we write things down as they are. And the way it is right now, it is simply not certain that Ukraine will host the competition. This has been the standard thing to do for years now; until the organisers confirm that they will host, no assumption is made. It's just that normally this confirmation happens immediately after the previous contest. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 16:28, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

By having this section people ARE assuming it wont be hosted in Ukraine so by your logic it should be removed as just Speculation rather than fact, please provide evidence this is a "standard thing to do" Popeter45 (talk) 16:33, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Which part of that states that the contest won't be in Ukraine?

Regarding your request for evidence: in recent years the next Eurovision Song Contest host country was announced on the same day as the victory, so there is no recent example. For the Junior Eurovision Song Contest though, that normally takes a bit longer. Take a look at how the page Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2021 looked ten days after the 2020 edition (before the new host country was announced). ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 21:43, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Everybody knows that Ukraine cannot give security guarantees in time for the preparations to start. There is indeed no hard statement yet that Ukraine won't host, but if you cannot give security guarantees, you cannot host. In this article we report incrementally on the process of deciding the host city/venue and for 2023, this is part of that process. We have not included any statement that Ukraine won't host, because such statement does not exist. Meanwhile, all included alternative options come with a provision one way or the other that the right to host still lies with Ukraine for now. Hhl95 (talk) 16:13, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Russian participation

There is no information about Russian participation. So we can't say that Russia is "country that participated in the past but not in 2023". The situation can change before the contest begins. Cat in coat (talk) 20:22, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

At the current time, as far as we know, the EBU intends on suspending its Russian members, who were all intent on leaving anyway - see here. Therefore, it can be deduced that it is very unlikely that we will see Russia next year. Siclika (talk) 21:36, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Russian broadcasters are suspended as EBU members, so Russia is not able to take part. This could change in theory, but this is the current situation. Hhl95 (talk) 16:20, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

ESC 2023 in associate country?

JoãotheWikiFan (talk) 14:18, 16 May 2022 (UTC)The EBU has members outside of Europe! The "associate members". Imagine if ESC was hosted outside of Europe? Like USA, Canada or even in my country, Brazil! Do you guys think it's a good idea?

Please see WP:NOTFORUM doktorb _words^deeds 14:31, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 May 2022

UK has already announced we are taking part in 2023 2A02:C7E:3C91:6B00:FC0C:2F8B:FADB:3F21 (talk) 02:40, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Do you have a source that confirms this? ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 10:15, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:11, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Canadian participation

I don't think that's happening, I believe the article sited is as a result of misinterpretation of the announcement of "Eurovision Canada" from the Eurovision website. There are no EBU sources indicating that Canada will join in 2023. 23.248.100.151 (talk) 21:52, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Correct. I removed it a few minutes before. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 21:56, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

ukraine should be removed from the list

here is the thing: ukraine surrendered to russia weeks ago, shortly after esc 2022. ukraine as a result does not exist and can not participate. russia is no longer able to participate and ukraine is now russia. 84.212.100.141 (talk) 09:58, 26 May 2022 (UTC)