Talk:Pen Farthing
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This page needs more sources and a better writing style, especially the "Military Service" section.
Shield maiden
In classical times a while maiden was a female warrior I think calling Kaisa one means she is another veteran.RichardBond (talk) 05:11, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, certainly extremely unlikely to be a female warrior from Scandinavian folklore and mythology. Have changed it to 'who is from Norway' (lacking a source, though!) SuzannaQ (talk) 09:39, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
Military service sources
No sources are given for the military service section. The entire article appears to have been written and regularly updated by the user User_talk:Nowzad, who I suspect is Pen Farthing. NPOV. SuzannaQ (talk) 10:05, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- Yes I wrote it as the previous effort about my military service had me serving in places I had never been. I know my military service which could have been verified had anyone asked. But now it has been deleted and says absolutely nothing about me. Brilliant. 80.47.110.223 (talk) 18:43, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Heavily biased article
Speaks of none of the significant controversy around recent events. Majority of references are repetitively pitched and reads like a press release rather than the quality of Wikipedia article one would expect. Such controversy I describe has marked media statements from MP's and even the UK Defence Secretary. Article current form flies in the face of WP:NPOV Inhishonour (talk) 19:15, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Feel free to add the material you believe is missing from the article @Inhishonour providing that it is reliably sourced. The Guardian is reporting here on criticism of Farthing that it says is in The Sunday Times but the original article is behind The Times' paywall. JezGrove (talk) 23:45, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- I've made some effort towards this. I wonder if this mentioned "controversy" should really be forked into its own section?. I'd hate for genuine good will to be blighted by newsworthiness - but equally genuine concerns not diminished by such charitable efforts. Inhishonour (talk) 13:47, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- Yes this whole page now reflects the complete fake news that surrounded Operation Ark - not one mention of the good we did for 15 years in Afghanistan - promoting women's rights and preventing rabies or example.
- The whole article is based on fake news articles.
- I was not escorted into Kabul airport by British troops - Operation Pitting had ended when I managed to get into the airport via a Taliban controlled gate on the 2nd attempt. Ben Wallace confirmed this at a select committee hearing.
- It was 67 staff who were authorised to travel. No-one was not authorised. And the government never gave authority for animals to travel - it was my flight!!!!
- The staff were stopped from entering the airport by the Taliban.
- My flight was privately paid for by our donors. And it was not just £200,000 raised.
- The staff our charity then transported to Pakistan and they were then flown to London where they are now undergoing resettlement and being housed.
- My charity still operates in Kabul.
- No animals were put before people - this has been proved and discredited hundreds of times.
- The charity commission has NEVER launched an investigation into our charity - that was just made up by the papers.
- No animals suffered as a result of travelling as they travelled as any animal does when going between countries. The animals that died was due to the tear gassing we endure getting into the airport.
- I have suffered constant abuse and depression from the last 8 months of these lies. And Wikipedia just continues to support it. Thanks a lot.
- Oh yeah... reference; ME - I was there. 80.47.110.223 (talk) 18:48, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Rewrite required
This article reads like a fan page. It should be completely rewritten GeorgieJanet (talk) GeorgieJanet (talk) 01:55, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Content duplication
I'm observing duplication across pages for the named individual and the registered charity. It might be healthy to decouple one from the other? Also of note for later edits is the UK registration of the charity is under the name "NOWZAD" and the US registration of the NFP "Nowzad Dogs" could affect its own page. Inhishonour (talk) 13:43, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Article overhaul
Various writers/editors (see above) have noted the article read like a novel, did not cover the controversy around his actions, and was repetitive. I have edited in view of these comments but I still think the following are problems we should work on: 1. It's now possibly too negative - we should add some sense that he received at least some popular support and possibly more on the success or otherwise of his books??? 2. There is nothing about him as a person. I searched extensively and there are few/no published sources that reveal basic biographical details. This is improbable given the amount of coverage he received. There are conflicting reports about where he was born, no birthdate, no schools, parents, dates when he joined the marines... no career other than the marines. Can anyone find and add such basic information? 3. I have sectioned to make it easier to read. It probably needs a good copy edit with even more repetition and flowery language taken out (you get blind to it after a bit).SandrinaHatman (talk) 20:15, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
- Re point 2: I found a Companies House page [1] for him. Also possible military references to 2 different people (Paul J Farthing/Douglas Paul Farthing) in the London Gazette, but nothing to confirm whether that's him without a full name or DOB. A John Paul Farthing was declared bankrupt in 2007[2]. Hopefully this is of use to someone (I'm new to references, sorry for any errors!). SuzannaQ (talk) 00:41, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
- Apr 2000: "Queen’s Commendation for Valuable Service: 24686134 Sergeant Douglas Paul Farthing, The Parachute Regiment." [3]
- Jan 2002 "The Parachute Regiment: 24686134 Farthing, DP, SSgt, Para, 4 October 2001 [4]
- Oct 2002: "MBE: To be Additional Members of the Military Division of the Queen’s Commendation for Bravery: 24686134 Colour Sergeant Douglas Paul Farthing, The Parachute Regiment" [5]
- Jan 2021: "The following promotions have been made to date 1st Jan. 2021: Sub Lieutenant to Lieutenant: FARTHING, Paul J. (D211432H)" [6]
References
- ^ https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/J6WSkOgVccVSRL6F_LCwLChOr-g/appointments
- ^ https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/L-58445-342833
- ^ https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/55819/supplement/4252
- ^ https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/56465/supplement/1128
- ^ https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/56735/supplement/8
- ^ https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/63286/supplement/4350
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