Talk:Chicken tikka masala

Local interest magazines and sourcing

Just to be sure I looked into the magazine, Sonoma Magazine, and started an article on it (as per Wikipedia:Notability (media) one can use journalism awards as a basis of notability). It's a local interest magazine that covers food and wine in the Napa Valley and Sonoma Valley areas of California: as this food/wine stuff is a softball topic I don't see why an American local interest magazine wouldn't be sufficient for comparing/contrasting two different kinds of Indian-style food. (the magazine had covered Indian-style food in the Sonoma/Napa areas for that article) WhisperToMe (talk) 19:13, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

You're probably right that my edit summary was a bit dismissive, but I genuinely don't think that the claim should be in the article. Regardless of the respectability of the Sonoma magazine, it's effectively reporting the opinion of a single chef in the US on the difference between two dishes primarily associated with the UK and India. In addition, we have multiple sources in the article stating that there is not really a universally-adhered to definition of Chicken Tikka Masala, so any claim that there is a specific difference between it and another dish should be viewed with significant suspicion. Regarding it being my job to rewrite the section to be intelligible to a British audience- I'm afraid this is impossible as the current language is genuinely unintelligible to me: I have literally no idea what the claim that it uses a "non-gravy sauce" is supposed to mean, and the original article doesn't enlighten me. If the claim is that there are meat juices in the tikka massala sauce, this does not seem to be backed up by the rest of the article. In any case, per WP:EngVar this is an article that strongly leans towards British interest and therefore the article should be written in British English. Would you be happy if we removed the strong claim of the difference between butter chicken and chicken tikka, but left the (imo, correct) claim that they are very similar dishes with the same sourcing? Porphyro (talk) 15:03, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for adding this to the discussion! I think saying they are similar and/or attributing who is saying which similarity (for example Sonoma Magazine says... while "other magazine says"...) would be a good idea. Strictly speaking while articles are geared towards one variety or another, Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#National_varieties_of_English states that language common to all varieties of English is preferable when possible WhisperToMe (talk) 02:05, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Robin Cook speech

I have removed mention of Robin Cook's speech from the lede for two reasons. Firstly, due to lack of current notability: the speech is over twenty years old, the speaker died over 16 years ago and recent references to it appear to be very thin on the ground. Secondly, the assertion of a British origin of the dish is not proven beyond doubt (see body) and its position in the lede may be an irritant to certain readers, who then choose to refute the assertion, often with damaging results to the completeness and impartiality of the article. In my view it is sufficient that his speech is only mentioned in the body. Other opinions welcome. Regards Guffydrawers (talk) 15:16, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

first things first

it is unclear what the brit innovation is here. chicken tikka is a legitimate indian dish and chicken masala is a legitimate indian dish, but COMBINING the two was new? is that it?

or is it claimed that "chicken masala" -- with or without the chicken being "tikkafied" -- is itself somehow not indian?

robin cook's quote just adds to the confusion. brits like their meats served in gravy? huh? as opposed to indians who eat them all DRY?!

isn't like 90% of indian food basically things floating in "gravy" (curry) of some sort or another?? how is that in ANY way a sign of fusion/brit influence on the dish?! 2601:19C:527F:A680:4CBC:B3B6:1510:8C32 (talk) 02:08, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Please read the sources quoted in the article for explanations. 2A00:6020:B0B5:F600:6528:DDC9:A8D2:620C (talk) 14:16, 11 June 2022 (UTC)