Talk:List of names of Odin
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Herteitr
Recent change added the meaning "Glad of War" to this. Although this may be better than the "Host glad" (which I don't see how fits the name), it is probably not quite right. In modern Icelandic her means army and teitur means gay (as in happy). What the actual meaning of the kenning is, however, I do not know ("Glad of army", "Gladdest of the soldiers", "life of the army party" ;-) ... ?).
Hopefully, someone that knows the kenning can inform us all --Swift 00:07, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
Óðins nöfn - Þul Óðins
Verifying the existence of Jörmunr as one of Odin's names, I finally discovered this anonymous Old Norse skaldic poem Óðins nöfn - Þul Óðins. It appears to be the most thorough recitation of Odin's names and the information should be integrated into this article.--Berig 07:44, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Here is a link that can be used for citation purposes which lists Odin's epithets and Jormunr is among them. [1] !!!22:59, 29 March 2008 (UTC) I hate these things because it is hard to see what you are typing in that corner ```23:33, 29 March 2008 (UTC)~~
Asagrim
I am a bit hesitant about adding Asagrim, since the folksong Stolt Herr Alf was only recorded as late as the early 19th century. However, my justification is that the name "Asagrim" contains the word "grim" meaning "lord" which is only attested in this folksong and on one or two 11th century runestones in a different part of the country. I don't see how the name could possibly be a late construction.--Berig 20:22, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
- I think that "as" or "ass" is the norse word for "god."
- - / - grimr, grimmr (ON)=(orig) mask, helm, (later) hooded, the masked one, the hooded one,
- the helmeted one, (later) disguised man, masked person, shape-changer, (later) fierce, grim,
- cruel, very cruel, ruthless, ferocious, savage, (later) odin’s epithet;
- This sourse, which contains the name asgrimr says that as is short for "of the aesir" [2] And these sources, which also has asgrimr defines it as "god mask" or "god helmet" - the latter also contains the form "asgrim" and links it to "asgrimr"[3][4] 2132```23:31, 29 March 2008 (UTC)~
- Luckily, there is an online Old Norse dictionary where Asagrim is explained to mean "leader of the Aesir"[5].--Berig (talk) 12:40, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Additional names attributed to Odin.
These are all Norse names (of Odin) rather than German names (of Wotan) like: Wunsch (Wish (granter)) or proto-Germanic (of Woutanaz) like Xauxaz, Hauhaz (high one) or Frisian (Wodan) or Anglo-Saxon (Woden) etc.
Edit: Why? It seems to me like the "List of names of Odin" should include all of his names, not just Norse. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.45.253.63 (talk) 00:01, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
I believe there was a work, an Edda maybe, that said Odin had 12 important names (I think they're all given already on the page, but maybe they should be especially noted) of which if I remember correctly Jalk was the final; Jalk being the name under which Odin learned the "feminine" magic of Seidr while on Samsey (Sam's Island), "Jalk" meaning gelding/castrated (made effeminate?).
Some names aren't quite right: "Draugadróttin" means something more literally like "Warlord of the Undead"; 'Drott-' meaning an army division or mercenary detachment, "-in" meaning 'lord of', "Draug-" meaning almost "zombie" - 'one who is slain yet remains', i.e. an undead (a kenning for 'tree stump') and "-a-" meaning of. Dróttin means king in modern Scandinavian tongues, but originally it was more like commander in chief. Maybe a little more literal translations of the names are in order, I know many aren't completely literal.
Anyway the list I have of omitted names I do not have sources for where I originally found, but I'm sure someone can attest to them from somewhere else. This is for someone wanting to do the tracking of their instances for inclusion in the article. I'm sure there are many more. I do not have all of the proper accent marks but tried to make it as close to the proper Norse formations like in the article that I could notice:
- Angan Friggjar - "Delight of Frigg"
- Bági ulfs - "Enemy of the Wolf"
- Baldrsfaðr - "Father of Balder"
- Böðgæðir - "Battle Enhancer"
- Bragi - "Chieftain"
- Bróðr Vilis / Bróðr Vilja - "Brother of Vili"
- Burr Bors - "Son of Borr"
- Darraðr, Dorruðr - "Spearman"
- Ein sköpuðr galdra - "Sole Creator of Magical Songs"
- Faðmbyggvir Friggjar - "Dweller in Frigg's Embrace"
- Faðir galdrs - "Father of Magical Songs"
- Farmr arma Gunnlaðar - "Burden of Gunnlöð's Arms"
- Farmr galga - "Gallows' Burden"
- Foldardróttinn - "Lord of the Earth"
- Forni - "The Ancient One"
- Frumverr Friggjar - "First husband of Frigg"
- Fundinn - "The Found"
- Galdraföðr - "Father of Galdor (Magical Songs)"
- Geirtýr - "Spear God"
- Geirvaldr - "Spear Master"
- Geldnir - "?"
- Gizurr Grýtingaliði - "Gizurr, Companion of the Greutungi"
- Goði hrafnblóts - "Goði (priest) of the Raven-offering"
- Goðjaðarr - "God Protector"
- Gramr Hliðskjalfar - King of Hliðskjalf
- Hangi - "Hanged One"
- Haptabeiðir - "Ruler of Gods"
- Haptasnytrir - "Teacher of gods"
- Haptsönir - "Fetter Loosener"
- Harri Hliðskjalfar - "Lord of Hliðskjalf"
- Heimþinguðr hanga - "Visitor of the Hanged"
Hengikjopt - "Hang Jaw"(added as alternate form to entry already in article)- Hergautr - "Host Gautr"
- Hildolfr - "Battle Wolf"
- Hjaldrgegnir - "Engager of Battle"
- Hjaldrgoð - "God of battle"
- Hoárr - "One Eyed"
- Hotter - "Hatter"
- Hovi - "High One"
- Hrafnfreistuðr - "Raven-tester"
- Hrani - "Blusterer"
- Itreker - "Splendid Ruler"
- Jalfaðr - "Yellow-brown Back"
- Jarngrimr - "Iron Mask"
- Jolfr - "Horse-wolf" or "Bear"
Jölföðr - "Yule-father"Jölnir - "Yule figure"(I suppose these two are already given but in different form)- Niðr Bors - "Son of Borr"
- Rauðgrani - "Red Moustache"
- Reiðartyr - "Wagon God"
- Runatyr - "God of Runes"
- Runni vagna - "Mover of Constellations"
- Sigrhofundr - "Victory Author"
- Sigrúnnr - "Victory Tree"
- Sonr Bestlu - "Son of Bestla"
- Spjalli Gauta - "Friend of the Goths"
- Sveigðir - "Reed Bringer"
Svipall - "Fleeting" or "Changeable"(already there)- Tack - "Thanks"
Tviblindi - "Twice Blind"(already there)- Þriggi - "Triple"
- Váði vitnis - "Foe of the Wolf"
- Váfuðr Gungnis - "Swinger of Gungnir"
- Valdr galga - "Ruler of Gallows"
- Valdr vagnbrautar - "Ruler of Heaven"
- Valkjosandi - "Chooser of the Slain"
- Valtamr, Valtam - "Slain Tame" or "The Warrior"
- Valtýr - "Slain God"
- Valþognir - "Slain Receiver"
- Viðfräger - "Wide Famed"
- Viðrimnir or Viðhrimnir - "Contrary Screamer"
- Vinr Lopts - "Friend of Loptr"
- Vinr Lóðurs - "Friend of Lóðurr"
- Vinr Míms - "Friend of Mímir"
- Vinr stalla - "Friend of Altars"
- Völsi - "Lingam"
- Völundr rómu - "Smith of Battle"
Nagelfar (talk) 10:18, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- Great additions Nagelfar!--Berig (talk) 11:44, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks, these can be found on several websites which have been around for a while, but the sources need to be found individually it seems. All I did was remove the names from those lists which are already in the article and put most of the ones that remain here. Nagelfar (talk) 00:50, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- The names need to be verified as well. Looking at the list, I see Gizurr Grýtingaliði and I strongly doubt that he was Odin. IIRC, it was Gizurr, the king of the Geats, who was called Grýtingaliði ("Ostrogoth warrior") by the Huns.--Berig (talk) 07:40, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, Berig is right: please proceed with caution. The original sources of these names need to be attributed, and name translations need to be individually referenced. :bloodofox: (talk)
- I was bold and added most of them, I'm unsure if "Tack" is Old Norse, the "c" seems odd. Nagelfar (talk) 08:18, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, Berig is right: please proceed with caution. The original sources of these names need to be attributed, and name translations need to be individually referenced. :bloodofox: (talk)
- The names need to be verified as well. Looking at the list, I see Gizurr Grýtingaliði and I strongly doubt that he was Odin. IIRC, it was Gizurr, the king of the Geats, who was called Grýtingaliði ("Ostrogoth warrior") by the Huns.--Berig (talk) 07:40, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks, these can be found on several websites which have been around for a while, but the sources need to be found individually it seems. All I did was remove the names from those lists which are already in the article and put most of the ones that remain here. Nagelfar (talk) 00:50, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Maybe list possible examples too, with both source of name and source which attests possibility. Many works postulate certain runestones to contain kennings for Odin. Edred Thorssons Runelore even claims the helmet of Negau (with North-Italic alphabet, but of a Germanic dialect) claims Harigast (Harigastiz) to be a name of Odin, but it might be earlier than Norse (dated 300 BCE) therefore protogermanic and not of "Odin" per se. Nagelfar (talk) 09:36, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm a little puzzled by some of the translation. I do not speak old norse but modern scandinavian languages. Even though I'm no expert it allows me to see some "logical" connections between the modern and ancient language. Here is some thoughts:
- Völsi - Is not "Lingam" it is a dried horse penis. So a phallus would be a better explanation though Lingam symbolise the union between man and woman - Völsi is not.
- Spjalli Gauta - Not sure about "Friend of the Goths". Spjalli might me "Friend of" but Gauta can also be "Götar" (Geats) not only Goths.
- Tack - is the modern swedish spelling of "Thanks". I highly doubt that is old norse. Tak or Takr or similar seems more like it.
- Sigrhofundr - "Sigr" is "Victory" but "fundr" don't necessary needs to mean "founder" or "Author" meaning the "source" of victory. I might also mean "finder" changing the meaning to "He who find victory".
- Jalfaðr - I dont know how it can be "Yellow-brown Back" and see a different meaning in the word. "Jal" might mean "Jarl" (different spelling is not uncommon). "faðr" seems alot like "föðr" and "faðir" not to mention "fader" - all meaning Father. That would get the meaning "Jarl Father" or "Father Jarl". Some schoolars thing that Rig that is the father of the 3 classes of humans is not Heimdall (as is commanly suggested) but in fact Odin himself. That would explain the name. Highly speculative theory though.
-There are some other theories about these words we might want to consider. Fǫðr might actually be a cognate of two other words - two that make infinitely more sense than "father" which is typically spelled faðr (see Baldrsfaðr). The first thing we might consider is that it's a variation of ǫðr which as many of us interested in the protogermanic languages can attest translates into "mad" (whether it means crazy or angry is up for debate). Another theory, and one backed by Dr. Jackson Crawford of the University of Colorado-Boulder [1], is that this is a variation of an anglo-frisian term that means "he who orders." This would make a lot of sense contextually - Alfǫðr would then be he who orders all, Valfǫðr would be he who orders the fallen, Jölfǫðr would be he who orders the Jöltide. Taken into account that all humanity are the "greater and lesser children of Heimdallr" (Voluspa 1) - it would make sense that Odin is not the progenitor of humanity, but the one who directs it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by XxTheEndxx (talk • contribs) 16:21, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
- Reiðartyr - is said to mean "Wagon God". "Reiðr" means in other context "Anger/angry" (ex. "Þórr er oft reiðr" = "Thor is often angry"). So I would say it means "God of anger" or "Angry god".
- Valþognir - "þognir" might mean "taker" (active action) instead of "receiver" (passive action) which gives it a slightly different meaning - "Slain taker" or "Taker of the slain".
- Haptsönir - "Fetter Loosener" seems a bit awkward. "Hapta" seems to mean "god" in other contexts (Haptasnytrir/Haptasnotr = "The wise god"). "Sönir" is very similar to modern swedish "Söner" and old norse "Sonr" meaning "sons" or "Son". That give the meaning "Son of god".
Modern names
Would It be appropriate to list his modern names, such as "Mr. Wednesday" on this page. they are names given to odin, after all. If so, Why not? 04:27, 11 August 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Archon1212 (talk • contribs)
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