User talk:Johan Elisson

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18:12, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Division 1 Östra

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looks to fail WP:NSPORT, A Swedish league, I could not find a related Swedish Wiki, nor could I find any significant references that were not mirrors.

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22:52, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hello, Johan Elisson

Thank you for creating Centralföreningen för Gymnastik- och Idrottssällskapen i Göteborg.

User:Kudpung, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

Your article has passed our review. Please see the changes I made: 'References' and 'Bibliography'. This will avoid the article being tagged as having no sources.

To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|Kudpung}}. Please remember to sign your reply with ~~~~ .

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Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:58, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Kudpung! Thank you for the review, though I do not fully agree with the change of headings. It rather seems that ORES needs to be improved as MOS:NOTES allows for the variant I used in the article. I've also used it previously without problem, e.g. for featured articles and various DYK articles, see example usage at Carl Linde (football manager) (with "Footnotes" as an additional heading for explanatory notes). "Bibliography" doesn't really make sense, when one of the books listed there is some 270 pages of which about half a page concerns the article subject. – Elisson • T • C • 23:13, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

As you wish, but there are more common ways of configuring article formats (see Heading names). Reviewing new pages is a thankless task and ORES flags in the NewPagesFeed naturally make more work for reviewers - that's what they are for. You are most welcome to suggest improvements to ORES, you can list it at Page Curation/Suggested improvements, or as it doesn't need a debate, even open a ticket directly at Phab although I'm not sure if the huge development project of ORES is still ongoing. As an admin, you are equally welcome to help out at the massive NPP backlog. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:33, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

PS: Dicdef: Bibliography: a list of the books referred to in a scholarly work, typically printed as an appendix. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:49, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

@Kudpung: I'm sorry you felt offended by my reply. Yes, there are more common formats, but your variant isn't one of the more common formats either. Changing it solely because an automated tool cannot recognise citations even though they clearly are there seems like a thankless job (and is not in line with MOS:VAR). I'm not the one directly affected by it, and with my limited knowledge of WP:PAGCUR and WP:ORES, it would seem more logical for you to report it as you know your way around it and is likely to be more disturbed by it. Quickly checking the new pages feed, it seems quite common for articles to be marked "No citations" when the article uses short citations.

I am grateful that you and others are devoting time to new pages patrol, more so because you need to deal with people like me (or worse ...) from time to time. I would love to help but with my very limited time available for Wikipedia, I have made the conscious decision to put as much of the time I have available into creating content rather than using my mop (time was not a problem when I originally got it).

Again, thank you for reviewing, I do appreciate your work! I'll revert back, and let's hope ORES improves. :) – Elisson • T • C • 11:04, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

I didn't feel offended at all - nowadays at NPP we discover that the vast majority of new articles are are submitted by very new users and and non native speakers with very low levels of English. For many years I was dedicated to the tools and scripts that deal with improvement and deletion. I wouldn't argue however with someone who knows their way round MoS better than I do. I co-designed the NPP system we use these days but it was mainly to address its use by less experienced patrollers, to encourage new users to format their pages correctly and to provide sources, and most importantly to enhance the detection and prevention of totally inappropriate pages from entering Wikipedia. Sadly I'm now in my twilight years and don't generally have the time to dedicate to Wikipedia as I did during the many years I had a mop. Take care. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:35, 3 July 2022 (UTC)