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Requested move 15 July 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Moved. This article has been renamed back to the proposed title herein by the editor who began the page moves in the first place. Under the circumstances it seems better to continue from this point with more discussion in a new thread about the highest and best title for this article. Thanks and kudos to editors for your input; good health to all! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 20:44, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Barbie (film franchise) → Barbie (franchise) – Per WP:COMMONNAME, Barbie (franchise) is historically widely known as the preferred home for films with the Barbie name included, which gets adequate sourcing verification. However, articles covering audiovisual media and their associated soundtracks also having that name included in their titles are an adequate reason for this move, also citing the progress of the High School Musical, The Cheetah Girls, Toy Story and Spy Kids articles as examples. Intrisit (talk) 15:23, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

When I saw the new article's name, I thought that it talked about the Barbie toy franchise, since that's what comes to mind when people hear the Barbie franchise. I was wondering if the page should be named differently, like Barbie (film franchise) or reverted back to Barbie (film series). Even though this article covers the related media that aren't technically part of the film series, it's still the main focus, and makes the topic clearer upfront. Either way, I think "film" should be in the title to avoid confusion with the toy franchise. Lockejava (talk) 21:48, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Lockejava: First of all, I've corrected some incorrect grammar in your opinion question. (No need to thank me — that's why I'm on Wikipedia in the first place!) And now, as I already stated to you on your talk page and the move request box above this text, this current page move was rushed, and that it should be reverted back to Barbie (franchise). Consider that should there be an article on just the films, where would unrelated articles like Barbie: Life in the Dreamhouse, Barbie Dreamtopia, Barbie Dreamhouse Adventures and Barbie: It Takes Two fit into/go to? Have a look at High School Musical (franchise), The Cheetah Girls (franchise) and Toy Story (franchise), all of which started out as film series articles like this one, but got expanded into web series, TV shows, theatricals and soundtrack albums. Even Monster High, made from the same company as Barbie, is noted for its toys, but also there is a media franchise consisting of a web series, about 17 films, about 15 soundtrack albums and an upcoming TV series.

Secondly, if you're talking about/looking for the "Barbie toy franchise" here on Wikipedia, see List of Barbie's friends and family, which shows you the list of the related components — toys, dolls and accessories — and the perceived real-life friends of Barbie with a few trivia about each of them, which I simply term it as the Barbie fictional and non-fictional universes. That article, I must admit though, lacks sufficient inclusion and adequate sourcing and needs a major overhaul/revamp anyway. The main article, Barbie, already talks about the history and expansion of that one doll/toy into the toy franchise it is now. If that alone isn't enough for you, have a look at its corresponding template.

Last but not the least, to avoid confusion, I've included clear and precise introductory notes about this confusion on this article and at Barbie. Reply if still unsatisfied!! Thanks for your attention!! Intrisit (talk) 15:23, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

More specific title?

Thanks everyone for participating in the discussion above. As mentioned by Paine Ellsworth "it seems better to continue from this point with more discussion in a new thread about the highest and best title for this article." In my opinion, the title of Barbie (franchise) is a little too confusing/vague, mainly because the main Barbie franchise is the toy line, while the film/media franchise came later and isn't the primary franchise. I'm OK with "Barbie (film franchise)" and "Barbie (film series)" because the related media (like the TV series) can be listed under a "Related media" section. (They are connected after all, especially with Dreamhouse Adventures being connected to the recent movies.) Either way, I just think "film" or media or something should stay in the name to clear up confusion. Lockejava (talk) 02:36, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]