Talk:Smoke detector

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Prioritize consumer and photoelectric

I'm starting a sequence of edits to prioritize information about consumer smoke detectors and consumer use cases. This is based on a belief that the primary users of Wikipedia are members of the general public rather than professionals who purchase or install commercial equipment such as commercial smoke detectors.

The driver for this is to make it easier to find objective information about purchasing and especially disposing of smoke detectors in the United States.

The plan is to move information about commercial-grade smoke detectors down while preserving that content, and to elevate use cases compared with specifications.

Bruce Esrig (talk) 14:30, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm impressed

When I checked this page's history I was sure the recent Nathan for You episode would have resulted in a flood of vandalism to this article, referring to the smoke detector (more specifically the blues smoke detector) as a musical instrument. But nope, none at all. I don't know how we managed that, but good job, I guess. Even though I don't see how it would have been anything but luck. flarn2006 [u t c] time: 17:25, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

cause and effect...

Hi! R there any scientific studies, that show the effect of a smoke detector? In germany it seems to be a mostly paradox effect, since they have legislation (appr. 2007) that enforces a smoke detector in escape paths and bedrooms... Thx. Bye. --Homer Landskirty (talk) 11:05, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi!

Is it normal, that final smoke intoxication gets more frequent, when u introduce smoke detectors?
I mean: did that happen in the US/UK/Sweden, too?

Thx. Bye. --Homer Landskirty (talk) 10:38, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

strangely the X0 and T58 rate seems to be correlated, but then T58 rises independently since 2009... as if it is decoupled now... does someone here know, if it is still X0, when the patient is treated in an ICU for some days? --Homer Landskirty (talk) 23:25, 1 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi!

The final falls increased, too...

Thx. Bye. --Homer Landskirty (talk) 23:23, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

official statement

The government of Baden-Würtemberg has not done and is not planning to perform an evaluation: see [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.7.195.200 (talk) 17:46, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

the German Medical Association does not know anything about it, too... https://fragdenstaat.de/anfrage/finale-sturze/ --Homer Landskirty (talk) 23:23, 1 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Stiftung Warentest recommends (2019) only detectors with long life (10 year) battery. As rationale is given: "Da die Batterien häufig gewechselt werden müssen, ist die Ersparnis klein. Sie steht in keinem Verhältnis zum Aufwand fürs Wechseln der 9-Volt-Batterien sowie zum Unfallrisiko beim Leiterklettern." [2] My translation: Since the battery needs to be changed frequently, the saving is small. It does not compensate the effort for changing the battery and the risk of an accident when climbing a ladder. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.2.176.255 (talk) 22:14, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

so they admit, that the smoke detectors have a paradox effect? but they still want those horrible inspections in my bedroom every year? --Homer Landskirty (talk) 10:40, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

frequency of certain causes of death

Hi! I think the article should describe in more detail, what the effects of a smoke detector are. Because: It looks like there were never so many final falls and terminal smoke intoxications as now (after they all have a smoke detector in their bedroom in F.Rep.Germany...)... Does anybody know some scientific studies? Thx. Bye.

EN14604 (for domestic smoke alarms)

Given that, certainly in Europe, this tends to be a standard generally cited at domestic point of sale, I think this needs some expansion. I have added a brief paragraph. Do we have a fire officer amongst us, perhaps, who can make some input here?

AlexBwineglass (talk) 14:14, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Problems in History

I'm adding a Multiple Issues banner for the History section. The two kinds of issues are entangled, and not simple to resolve. Any assistance would be welcome.

I focus on three quotes from the section, preceded by paragraph number (within History):

para. 2: The first low-cost smoke detector for domestic use was developed by Duane D. Pearsall with Stanley Bennett Peterson in 1965, an individual replaceable battery-powered unit that could be easily installed.

para. 3: The first single-station smoke detector was invented in 1970 and made public the next year.

para. 4: The photoelectric (optical) smoke detector was invented by Donald Steele and Robert Emmark of Electro Signal Lab and patented in 1972.

The Pearsall/Peterson detector (para. 2) seems very clearly to have been single-station smoke alarm, so the statement from para 3 cannot also be true.

However, a simple copy edit to reconcile these claims is not sufficient, because of factual problems.

I recall from personal contact that Richard R. Saltzgaber (1917-2007) began the design, manufacture and sale of single-station photoelectric smoke alarms for home use in the early 1960s. In 1968, he formed a Florida corporation, Aljenik Industries, for the conduct of this business.

On the basis of my knowledge,

(a) Saltzgaber may have been manufacturing single-station smoke alarms for home use before 1965, and

(b) certainly was manufacturing photoelectric smoke alarms years before the Steele/Emmark patent cited in para. 4.

Accordingly, I understand at least two of the quoted statements to be incorrect, and likely all three.

Unfortunately, documenting the Saltzgaber/Aljenik history may be very difficult; I certainly don't have references I can cite at this time.

I recall that it was a turning point for his business when Richard's smoke alarms were carried by two large shop/mail-order chains, greatly increasing the volume of sales (which was never very great). I recall for sure that one of those was Montgomery Ward; the other might have been Sears.

If anyone has resources to search catalogs from the 1960s, it could help to provide a reference.

Etudiant~enwiki (talk) 20:54, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]