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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by 反撥 (talk | contribs) at 23:01, 13 August 2022 (→Dispute at American Indian Wars). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Hello, 反撥, and Welcome to Wikipedia!

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Question

You've only made two edits so far, using an account you just created, yet in those edits, you used a template that was deleted over 18 months ago. How did that happen? Also, when you added that template, you left the article is a very poor state, and as such I had to revert your edits. Why did you not check your changes using WP:PREVIEW, or at least after saving the changes to see what you had done? Not a great start, but mistakes will happen. Please read through the 'welcome' template I've added above. It has good inforamtion for new users on how to edit Wikipedia. Good luck. - wolf 12:39, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Username

Hi, I just wanted to make a quick comment about your username. As per Wikipedia:Username policy, a non-Latin username is allowed, but can be problematic. From Wikipedia:Signatures;

Non-Latin Signatures

Editors with non-Latin usernames are welcome to edit in Wikipedia. However, non-Latin scripts, such as Arabic, Armenian, Chinese, Cyrillic, Greek, Hebrew, Indic scripts, Japanese, Korean, Persian, Thai and others, are illegible to most other contributors of the English Wikipedia. Not everyone uses a keyboard that has immediate access to non-Latin characters, and names that cannot be pronounced cannot be retained in memory. As a courtesy to the rest of the contributors, users with such usernames are encouraged to sign their posts (at least in part) with Latin characters. For an example refer to User:Παράδειγμα, who signs his posts as "Παράδειγμα/Paradigma."

I understand your username is apparently Japanese, and seems to translate to "Repulsion". I'm not sure what the significance of that is to you, but if you would consider adding that, or another Latinized name or word to your signature, (eg: 反撥/Repulsion), it would make interacting with you a great deal easier for your fellow editors.

To attach a Latinized word or name to your signature, just go to "Preferences", and on the first page, under "User Profile", scroll down to "Signatures". There you will see a text box where you can customize your signature to your liking and you will be able to modify it with an add-on in Latin script that will help others identify and communicate with you. There are additional instructions at Wikipedia:Signature tutorial, and at the bottom of the page you will find a list of unique, colorful and creative signatures, just as you will see throughout Wikipedia, that may help give you some ideas. If you need any assistance, you can contact the Help Desk. I hope you find this useful and, happy editing! - wolf 12:44, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dispute at American Indian Wars

Hi @反撥:,

I’m Hobomok. I'm writing here to ask you to engage in discussion at Talk:American Indian Wars, per Wikipedia Policy (Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle). You've made major changes to the page’s lead, including adding non-neutral language and suspects sources, and you have been reverted twice now. This is not how the BOLD, revert, discuss cycle works. Once you’ve made a bold edit and you have been reverted, you must go to talk and discuss those edits. I come here to ask you to engage at talk one more time so that this doesn't continue. If you have issues with the page, then by all means, let's discuss it at talk, per policy, rather than courting an edit war.—Hobomok (talk) 20:54, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I edited the article with reference to the Uyghur Genocide and other articles, using as sources articles published by experts in authoritative academic institutions, specialized books, and news organizations. It is your personal opinion that the editorial content is not neutral.--反撥 (talk) 21:04, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This page has nothing to do with Uyghur genocide. Most of your sources are either not reliable (history.com), aren’t appropriate (University of Oregon press release about a historian’s book), or don’t support what you wrote (Washington Post article/Quintero article). It is NPOV, because regardless of whether or not I personally agree with you, that these wars were genocidal is a topic of debate. You cannot write that they were genocide when some historians say that. Finally, none of this belongs in the article’s lead before it is in the article’s body. You need to follow Bold, Revert, Discuss and Wikipedia’s lead style. If you cannot do that, and you refuse to discuss at the article’s talk page, I will take these issues to the relevant noticeboard.—Hobomok (talk) 21:15, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You are simply not trying to convince me because you don't like my editing. It would be futile to talk to someone who is trying to "discuss" something on the premise that you don't agree with it. I have concluded from months of observation that this seems to be a common practice on Wikipedia.--反撥 (talk) 21:30, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think you might want to take a look at the background of my edits on Native American history. You’ve been reverted by another editor now too (one I’ve disagreed with in the past). At this point you’re edit warring and in violation of Wikipedia policy.—Hobomok (talk) 22:09, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am merely writing a very brief summary in the article summary, using sources that meet verifiability. There is absolutely no justification for accusing me of violating the rules for such a legitimate edit.--反撥 (talk) 22:34, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there is. You are in violation of multiple rules outlined above, and you’re edit warring. I’m trying to outline them for you here so you can familiarize yourself with them because you’re a new user. You need to revert your edits and engage in discussion at the article talk page.—Hobomok (talk) 22:37, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Numerous studies and reports, as well as the sources I have used, show that the American Indian Wars were genocide, ethnic cleansing, and forced migration, and that there were adverse effects on the Indians after the war. I fail to see what is unfair or against the rules in writing such a thing in a summary of the American Indian War.

This would be like denying the mass casualties of Stalin's purges or the Cultural Revolution in a summary. Such an assertion is unacceptable.--反撥 (talk) 22:41, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is the type of thing you need to say at the article's talk page after you revert your additions. That gets discussion going there. You can do that now. Other editors can discuss with you how to add the changes you want to the article. However, if you do not revert your edits and do so, you're going to be reported for edit-warring.--Hobomok (talk) 22:55, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It must be said that the accusation is completely unjustified. It is unacceptable on Wikipedia to accuse a legitimate edit of being unfair, and you are the one who started the edit war against a legitimate edit. Therefore, your actions are not justified at all. I must also express my extreme regret at the current state of Wikipedia, where such unjust accusations are being dismissed.--反撥 (talk) 23:01, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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