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Freedom Fighter SEROK Apo, without whom life would be impossible, does not stay in İmralı on his own anymore

In 2009, there were 5 more prisoners chosen to stay in İmralı Island. The 4th reference on the page was published in 2010 but even that is out of date. Here is the link expalining which prisoners were chosen and how. http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/12970003.asp

Be Serok Jiyan Nabe.

Source 19 was the equivalent of illuminati lizard people zionist demon taking over the world conspiracy

Besides the ridiculous back and forth on this page, I wanted to point out that this source, besides being a personal blog, is conspiracy crazy to the nth degree, so I replaced it with the PKK bio.

The former source is claiming a super convoluted theory involving him being a secret Armenian in collusion with CNN, CIA, The Turkish Secret service, and the freemasons. No joke.

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Stop trying to delete literally every image of someone who’s not the most famous historical figure ever Serok Ayris (talk) 02:41, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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It is necessary to enter the information that the terrorist organization he has established is dealing with drugs. I have enough resources. https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/pdf-files/WestEurope_NEXUS.pdf http://mars.gmu.edu/bitstream/handle/1920/10137/Turhal_gmu_0883E_11045.pdf https://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/tocta/5.Heroin.pdf https://www.unodc.org/documents/lpo-brazil/Topics_drugs/WDR/2012/WDR_2012_web_small.pdf https://www.unodc.org/pdf/document_1997-03-19_1.pdf

Dipnot1 (talk) 00:04, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

While you bring sources, they are a bit old and I saw only one where Öcalan was mentioned. It is this Thesis in which Öcalan actually criticizes the ones who receive money from drug traffickers. But it's only a thesis by a former Turkish police academy alumni, Turkish POV and not prominent enough for inclusion in this article.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 10:32, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I can add more sources if you want. (Personal attack removed) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahsum_Korkmaz_Academy For example, in this article you prepared, you can write that football and dances were held in the camps. but you do not include sourced information about child soldiers. The terrorist organization founded by Abdullah Öcalan manages the drug trafficking.It is only natural that she would not accept this, as drug-related crimes will cause a global backlash. However, it has been proven and reported that PKK committed this crime in many sources. Dipnot1 (talk) 12:43, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:59, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I added 5 resources about pkk's drug trafficking. The sources are all highly respected sources. The sources I have sent contain information about pkk making money from drug trafficking. In addition, there are solid sources that the PKK committed war crimes using child soldiers. I will add these too.As such, the article reflects the ideas of a one-sided view and does not appear to be impartial. I would like to add this information along with its sources that the PKK uses child soldiers and makes money from drug trafficking. Dipnot1 (talk) 12:51, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Philosophical influences

In his works (specifically the “Manifesto for a Democratic Civilization” series) Öcalan frequently talks about him being influenced by Friedrich Nietzsche, Michel Foucault, and Theodor Adorno. He mentions Bookchin and Arendt far less than the aforementioned philosophers. That’s not to say that he wasn’t very much influenced by Bookchin and Arendt, because he was, but to exclude Nietzsche, Foucault, and Adorno in favor of theorists and philosophers he mentions far less simply because not many sources besides himself mention his major influences is ridiculous. 108.56.141.57 (talk) 23:12, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This was me I forgot to sign in lol Serok Ayris (talk) 23:28, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]