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John Jay Article

Hey, I don't know how to leave a signature so sorry about that but saw your edit. Those were college majors (have provided a link to the correct source), I don't know if it's against WP policy to list the majors the college offers (if it does, please feel free to let me know or undo it and I apologize) but wanted to give you the heads up. Anyway, it is dedicated to Criminal Justice, hence the college's name (John Jay College of Criminal Justice). Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.41.108.33 (talk • contribs) 22:16, November 4, 2021 (UTC)

Billionaires (#of) Referenced in top Colleges-

You are much more experienced than me ( well over 5 times the number of edits) and since I recall you having always improved my contributions I reflexively thanked you for change you made earlier today. To date I don't recall me ever not accepting your changes. That being said there may be the 1st time. I believe that until earlier today your deleting reference to number of Billionaires at Penn, I think all 8 of the Ivy League colleges and most similar colleges mention the number of Billionaires. I will double check such. If indeed almost all Ivy League and similar colleges mention #of billionaires, then I am inclined to insert back in Penn's (which has citations to prove). Of course, there may be a Wikipedia reason not to have such reference (of which reason I am not aware). If such is the case, then we should remove the reference to number of Billionaires in all 10 plus colleges that mention it. Thanks again for your help over the years on making me a better Wikipedia editor. OneMoreByte (talk) 10:35, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I see that I left out a zero in my last comment. You have made over 50 times (NOT 5 times) more edits than me. Thanks for all that you do for the Wikipedia project OneMoreByte (talk) 10:39, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I just double checked my assertions about reference to #of billionaire and see that I was wrong with respect to one of the Ivy League schools. Though until early today when Penn's reference was removed 7 Ivy League schools Wikipedia page referenced the # of billionaires. The exception is Princeton. In addition, Stanford, University of Chicago and Duke U also reference the # of billionaires. Later today I will reinsert the fact into Penn's page with citations. If you show me (as you always have done in past) that I am wrong, then we should remove the reference to number of Billionaires from not just University of Pennsylvania but also Stanford, University of Chicago and Duke U, Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, and Yale. As always, I am willing to be corrected. Thanks again for all your constructive criticism over the past year or so. OneMoreByte (talk) 10:59, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@OneMoreByte: "Apart from basic facts, significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article." I removed that information because the lede is intended to summarize what is in the body of the article and that information isn't in the body of that article. If that is the case for those other articles then they need to be fixed, too. ElKevbo (talk) 15:12, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@ElKevbo @OneMoreByte I think that the info should be added to the body, not removed from the lead. Information about the prominent alumni that an institution has produced is relevant to an encyclopedic account of that institution, as evidenced by the existence of spinoff "List of X university people" pages for most institutions. There are only two ways to go about presenting that info: by listing individuals or by listing the number of different types of individuals. Listing individuals is almost never due for the lead, particularly for larger universities, so I think "X billionaires, Y presidents, Z Nobel laureates" is far better. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 18:54, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's an okay compromise. But I also think it might be time to address these long lists of numbers and awards/categories of alumni in article leads as they're way too long and detailed in some articles. As this particular instance illustrates, in many cases this information in the lead has been lengthened without regard for what's in the body of the article. ElKevbo (talk) 22:02, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Elkevbo I defer to your experience. I will add to the body and shrink the description in head so that it's consistent with rest of Ivy League OneMoreByte (talk) 03:13, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I also thank sdkb for their input OneMoreByte (talk) 03:40, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

NACUBO vs self-published source

Hi! On the page UCSF you recently inserted a self-published source instead of the NACUBO source (which was the status who before the other user changed it). I reverted it to NACUBO but then you undid this. Not to assume, but was this a mistake? From your other postings, I seemed to believe that you were also in favor of using independent NACUBO source for all rather than self published. If it wasn’t a mistake, I think we need to discuss this more. NACUBO is independent and I think should be given preference. Eccekevin (talk) 20:30, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is no consensus for this edit and I'm surprised that you have begun an edit war to enforce your own opinion. In any case, I've opened a discussion at the infobox's Talk page; please participate. ElKevbo (talk) 00:59, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
To be clear, I have simply brought it back to status quo. I actually don’t have a strong opinion either way. And no, I haven’t engaged in an edit war, simply brought back to status quo before the disagreements between several editors and some confusing edits. Eccekevin (talk) 02:18, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You made an edit, someone else (me, this case) reverted your edit, and you reverted back to your original edit. That is de facto the beginning of an edit war. Please review WP:EW and WP:BRD. ElKevbo (talk) 02:46, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Nichols College

Nichols College recently made major and long overdue revisions to its page, most of which have been undone. I understand the edits that refer to "blatantly promotional" and "unnecessarily detailed" but there was no reason to make extensive changes, especially shortening our list of notable alumni. The edits were sanctioned by the college. In addition, there is incorrect information in your version, e.g., Amasa Nichols was never president of Nichols Academy (founder and trustee) and the nickname is Bison, not Bisons (no such word). Please advise on how we may come to a compromise. Thank you. Sdveshi (talk) 16:16, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies on not knowing the guidelines with respect to COI. I would still like to revert to some original edits, with the insertion of a connected contributor disclosure.Thanks Sdveshi (talk) 17:27, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Sdveshi: In my experience, many Wikipedia editors are okay with connected editors making edits to articles that are completely uncontroversial and clearly explained e.g., updating information that is already included in the article but has fallen out-of-date, correcting clear errors of fact, fixing typos and mistakes. Edits that are more complex, particularly those that add new information or delete existing information, should be suggested or requested in the article's Talk page. That allows other editors who are not connected to the subject to evaluate the suggestion or request and implement it themselves.
If you make a suggestion or request in the talk page of this college and you don't get a timely response, feel free to ping me. You could also ask for help at WT:UNI. ElKevbo (talk) 23:17, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Common University Misspellings

Hi @ElKevbo,


Hope you're doing well.


Two of the things that surprise me most is how many people confused "entitled" with "titled" and how many universities names can be misspelled ("Emory University", not "Emery University", "Rice University", not "University of Rice", "Washington University in St. Louis", not "University of Washington at St. Louis", "University of Washington", not "Washington University in Seattle, etc.

By chance, do you have a list or know where I could acquire a list of common misspellings/complete list of colleges that may often be confused with each other?

Wozal (talk) 14:57, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) @Wozal, for misspellings like Emery University, we should be creating redirects to the correct title and tagging them with {{r from misspelling}}. Doing this not only helps users searching, but also helps correct misspellings in articles that link to the institution's page. You can find some instances of some universities that already have this here. To get a more comprehensive list, you'd need to get a query for misspelling redirects to pages categorized as higher education institutions. For individual institutions, you can look at "What links here" in the left sidebar and choose redirects. For institutions that may be confused with each other, you'd want a query for pages categorized as higher education institutions that have the template {{Distinguish}} or similar. This list has a bunch of results. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 17:06, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Sdkb,
Thank you!
Would that work within the context of the article? Like if the line was "John graduated from Emery University" or if something was cited at the bottom of the page by "Emery University"? I understand that redirects can be helpful but what about information already in articles? Wozal (talk) 20:15, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If it's unlinked, then I think you'd need to use the typo tool as suggested by ElKevbo below. But if it's "John graduated from Emery University", then it should be automatically fixed within a few days. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 21:31, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have such a list nor do I know of one. For misspellings and errors that are common across institutions/articles, you should be able to find them (one-at-a-time) using Wikipedia's search tool. We have pretty good documentation with examples. You could also ask for help from the Typo Team; they may have other, better ideas and suggestions.
Good luck! ElKevbo (talk) 21:04, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ANI mention

Hi, ElKevbo! I mentioned your name at ANI, in the thread Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Donovanjustin, Salve Regina University. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:24, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads up. It's a very straight-forward case so I'll lay low unless it's necessary for me to speak up there. ElKevbo (talk) 21:05, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Washington and Lee University edits

I have made two attempts to revise the Washington and Lee University wiki page, specifically as it relates to President Lee’s tenure at the college. The current article contains a biased point of view that only presents modern perspective. There has been a clear shift in the perspective of Lee, which my edits attempt to capture. Well established historians have differing point of views, reflections that should be captured. Lee came into tenure of a destitute college in need of funding, facilities, curriculum updates, faculty, and students. These facts are indisputable and based on historical fact. Also indisputable are the acts of vandalism and looting that occurred during Hunter’s sack of Lexington. The points of view expressed in my article cite multiple sources and the University’s website. Please consider these sources and explain why they are inadmissible. Based on your accusation and name calling of a divergent perspective seem to go against Wikipedia’s guidelines for diverse and neutral points of view. Please explain how my supported edits are inappropriate? Gwhitfieldvi (talk) 00:09, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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