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José Bautista's bat flip

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Unnecessary content fork. A bat flip is a relatively common baseball “move.” This play is not independently notable and is already sufficiently covered in Bat flip#José Bautista bat flip Frank Anchor 18:57, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Both of these pages are WP:ROUTINE coverage and only make one passing mention of Bautista's bat flip in the body of the article. Further, being a "seminal moment" in franchise history (based on the opinion of one person) is not justification to keep an article. Frank Anchor 20:00, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It's still discussed a decade later is proof of notability, comparing other things to it as in those articles. Also has a chapter in the book as described. Also discussed in Sports Illustrated, [3], a discussion about how important it was to the player here [4], the bat itself was sold at auction [5], as was the ball [6]. It's been covered from multiple angles in Canadian media outlets for the last decade, should meet GNG. It's also been discussed in scholarly journals [7],[8], in fields from theology to theatre review. May only be trivial mentions, but help to show how the event has become part of Canadian pop culture. It's also been used to illustrate race relations in sport, in a thesis [9] and similarly in this one [10]. This should be GNG. Oaktree b (talk) 20:03, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Coverage of the event itself, of the ball, of the bat, of the importance to the player, how rude it was or wasn't. I'd gladly use these sources to write the article if it wasn't done already, should be more than enough to prove notability for our standards here. Coverage of the event, of the items involved and of the importance of the action. Oaktree b (talk) 20:16, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to José Bautista. I acknowledge the notability and significant coverage of this, but is an instance of a bat being thrown in a game, a brief event which took place in under 5 seconds, really enough to warrant its own article? Pardon me if this comes of as ignorant as I'm not really a sports person. All in all I feel like it should just be a section of the article of José Bautista, even with all the notability. Waddles 🗩 🖉 01:20, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    FWIW, it's already mentioned there. See the José Bautista#2015 section....... PKT(alk) 18:11, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment pinging @Spanneraol:, @BornonJune8:, @Ejgreen77:, and @PKT: who made specific comments regarding Bautista’s bat flip (either supporting or opposing deletion) during the previous group AFD linked above. This is NOT WP:CANVASSing as I intend to get input from both sides of the previous discussion. Frank Anchor 12:55, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. It just is not a notable enough moment on it's own. Covered in the division series article and in Bautista's individual article but not notable on it's own. There are lots of obnoxious bat flips in baseball and this one is nothing special.... especially since it occured in a division series... maybe Blue Jay fans remember it but the rest of baseball fans don't. Spanneraol (talk) 13:35, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Spanneraol: First off, how exactly is Bautista's bat flip not special or a notable enough moment on its own? It was and is still, a heavily used meme online. And how can you say that since it occurred in a Division Series that it's not that special? Would it have made a difference had it happened during the World Series or League Championship Series? Keep in mind that even if it happened in the Division Series, it was still in the decisive fifth game (a game that would send the Blue Jays to the LCS for the first time since 1993). And the bat flip was the climax of an insane, 58-minute long 7th inning. It's still a way more important game than any regular season game. It's a very vague, subjective, and/or broad generalization I think to suggest that the rest of baseball fans (outside of Toronto) wouldn't remember it. BornonJune8 (talk) 10:27, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • A bat flip on it's own is never anything notable. The homer maybe but even then it's just one play in the game... It isn't something that is notable outside of the game it occurred. The climax of the inning was the home run, not his celebration of it.. which doesn't even get mentioned in the box score. Lots of things become memes... doesn't make them worth having a wikipedia article.Spanneraol (talk) 01:03, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Bat flip#José Bautista bat flip. The topic is notable but much of the article is WP:FANCRUFT and/or summarizing an otherwise run-of-the-mill playoff game. The current text at the “Bat Flip” article is sufficient. Jose Bautista or 2015 American League Division Series#Toronto vs. Texas could be redirect targets as well, and much of this page is copied and pasted from the latter. Carson Wentz (talk) 01:22, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Spanneraol: Again, we need to understand and frame things in the right or proper context. The home run proved to be the game and ultimately series winner for the Blue Jays. And the bat flip goes directly hand in hand with the home run. You can't talk about one thing without discussing the other. If the dramatic bat flip didn't immediately follow the swing of the bat, then maybe I could better see your point about it just being one play in the game, especially a decisive playoff game. But I reiterate that it was the culmination of a very long, drawn out, and problematic inning for both Toronto and Texas. BornonJune8 (talk) 06:55, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. (disclosure: I'm a Blue Jays fan and remember the moment very well, to this day). The bat flip is more than adequately discussed in José Bautista#2015, and in Bat flip#José Bautista bat flip, and in 2015 American League Division Series#Game_5_2. Joey Bats's flip doesn't warrant an article all on its own - in fact most of the article in question repeats information in the other articles. If consensus does not end in deletion, then go with redirecting to Bat flip#José Bautista bat flip. PKT(alk) 12:32, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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