Talk:The Duke of Edinburgh's Award/Archive 1

Archive 1

DEAS

Isn't this the Duke of Edinburgh's Award Scheme? DEAS? Its present in India too. I was a participant for a short time. =Nichalp «Talk»= July 5, 2005 15:12 (UTC)

Well, it calls itself the "Duke of Edinburgh’s Award" but yes, people often call it the "Duke of Edinburgh’s Award Scheme". Add a redirect if you think it would help. -- ALoan (Talk) 5 July 2005 16:42 (UTC)

I've added the necessary redirects. =Nichalp «Talk»= July 6, 2005 06:08 (UTC)

Still a stub?

Is this article still a Great-Britain and Award stub, like it says at the bottom of the article? I agree it's not a very extensive article, but compared to other stubs, it's quite a bit bigger. So, I would remove the stub signs. What do you guys think? Goingin 14:22, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

I agree- without violating NPOV and including personal experiences this article actually contains all relevent information, and is certainly long enough to remove stub status. I have today(!) completed my silver DofE and connot think of anything to add. For those interested my skill was Bridge (card game) my physical recreation was climbing and my service was CCF. My practice expedition was in the Cevennes in the South of France and the real thing was in the Lake district Oli 13:00, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I removed the stub warnings --Goingin 09:42, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Scouting?

Why is this under Wikiproject Scouting? It doesn't really have anything related to scouting. Daniel (‽) 18:12, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree, and I'm the project director. I'm removing the tag.Rlevse 18:13, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

The Award shares alot in common with the main award sceme in scouting, many of the objectives are the same. Sometimes people also choose to undertake the community section of their awards by helping out with a scout group. It is also becoming common for the award to be done through schools. Would a section on this be appreciated if i wrote something? GoHike 14:09, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

This award is required in both Scouts and Guides New Zealand to get the top award. The Queen Scout or Queen Guide. It is relevent to the Wikiproject Scouting 203.98.31.34 02:33, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Similarly the award is integrated into the UK Scout award system, although you can achive the Queens scout award without registering with DofE.Rankersbo (talk) 07:15, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Subcategory?

I'd just like to ask for some advise, I have written an article for the Cardiff University DofE Society and would like to link it to this article. I feel possibly the best way of doing this would be to make The Duke of Edinburgh's Award a subcatagory and then placing my artical within this. Would that be an aceptable way of doing this? GoHike 14:12, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Merge

This would be a merge, if I understand what you are saying, as Fabrictramp (talk · contribs) proposed recently. I support the merge because the article Cardiff University DofE Award Society does not assert Notability or provide references. :: maelgwn - talk 06:09, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I've been bold and carried out the merge. alex.muller (talk) 16:37, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

IMO, the section shouldn't exist at all, Cardiff's DoE branch is in no way more notable than any other. I recommend the section be removed completely. Grunners (talk) 20:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I actually agree with you – I've come across plenty of these kinds of groups, and I'd support you if you were to remove it. If there's no apparent dissent here (and judging by how infrequently the article is edited, there wouldn't be) you should go ahead and make the edit. — alex.muller (talk • edits) 21:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Done Grunners (talk) 00:48, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Time frame

This section seems rather chatty, perhaps it's lifted from some writing elsewhere, not sure. ++Lar: t/c 14:50, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Have tried to wikify the section as best I can without removing any of the basic content Bleaney (talk) 02:12, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

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Dubious

This article seems confused as to whether it is talking about:

• An award
• A programme
• An organisation

It is also confused as to whether it is talking about something in 1 country or on a global scale

The entire tone of the article is promotional rather than informative.

Op47 (talk) 12:36, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

I agree about the confusion. I don't fully agree about the tone being "promotional rather than informative." Although we must be cautious about conflict of interest, I'm not sure how the description of the requirements for a reward (which I assume is not-for-profit) could be "toned" differently. Perhaps you could elaborate? Thanks. Cresix (talk) 17:44, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

When I first read the article, I felt that the tone was not quite right, as if I were reading a promotional leaflet. Normally, I would not bother to tag the article and either allow other editors to sort it out or sort it out myself. However I noted that an editor had tried to correct this and was immediately reverted by an employee of the DofE with the edit comment "We prefer the less formal version!". Therefore, I placed the tone tags (and the many other tags) in the hope that other editors would not be disuaded from dealing with the problems. Op47 (talk) 09:03, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

(Dofedave (talk) 11:14, 8 May 2012 (UTC))The Duke of Edinburgh's Award is both a charity AND an Award that a young person achieves once they have undertaken the training programme. I think it is factual and informative, and is clear that it refers to the DofE in the UK, which influenced the growth of other programmes around the world, and which are linked to on the page. (I am a Scout Leader and my son is doing his Gold DofE Award)

The Duke of Edinburgh's Award is both a charity AND an Award that a young person achieves once they have undertaken the training programme. Fine, then perhaps that ought to be in the article as well as to indicate how one is to distinguish between the award and the charity.

I think it is factual and informative. I am not disputing this, I am disputing the tone with which the article has been delivered. Take as an example the point answered above. "The Duke of Edinburgh's Award is both a charity AND an Award" would have done. The rest of the answer is half as long again and appears to promote your agenda and ultimately hides the required answer. Another example would be the mini biography of John Hunt.

and is clear that it refers to the DofE in the UK. I am just a passing reader and did not understand this. I am just giving feedback that this is not the case.

which influenced the growth of other programmes around the world. Fine.

and which are linked to on the page. What are you referring to here? The UK DofE has copious links. The other countries just have links to articles on that country (apart from Canada and Israel).

(I am a Scout Leader and my son is doing his Gold DofE Award). I am happy for you, but I am not sure what this has to do with the matter at hand.

The kind of thing that I would be interested in seeing in this article from you would be:

• Who's idea was it?
• Why did they do it?
• What did the Duke of Edinburgh have to do with it?
• i.e. some of the history before the award became notable? Op47 (talk) 09:03, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Op47, I continue to agree that the article requires a lot of cleanup, but I still don't think the "tone" is inappropriate, and I especially don't agree with tagging the section with a "tone" tag simply because one COI editor made a change. There are a number of eyes on this article who do not have a COI. What specifically, beyond an edit by an employee of DofE, makes you think the tone is inappropriate? I understand the suggestions for content change above, but I want to know what you consider an inappropriate tone. Cresix (talk) 14:49, 13 May 2012 (UTC)