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Help needed: Speedy Deletion nomination of new page, account of editor blocked and previous changes discarded

Dear community,

I am reaching out for your expert advice to help solve an issue my client has landed into. Points listed below give an account of events in chronological order:

-An employee at my client's edited his company page with information to reflect new development in terms of revenue, geographical presence, etc., edited language at places to make it more suitable, added current citations for both old and new edits, organized the page with tabular layouts for sections like Board of Directors, Board members, etc.

-These edits were accepted without any issue.

-He then went on to edit the page of his company's Co-founder and chairman, and again made edits to reflect new information. The new information/edits included - information pertaining to early life and career, awards & recognition and Social work.

-These edits also got accepted without any issue.

-After two or three weeks, he developed content for another co-founder of the company, and created a page for him on Wikipedia. This time however, the page got nominated for deletion, and his profile is said to be indefinitely blocked.

-The administrator who nominated the co-founder's page for deletion also banned this editor's profile and discarded all his recent edits made on the company and company's chairman's page.

-This employee of my client's has reached out to me for help, so I am writing here to get your expert thoughts on how can I best handle this.

From my understanding and knowledge of how Wikipedia works and the policy and guidelines to edits content or to create new page, I can say that the edits made on company page and those on the co-founder page do not seem to violate any guidelines, the one concern I have though is that this employee who made the edits did not disclose his conflict of interest, which he should have done to begin with.

There is a big issue with the new page creation, because their earlier attempt I am told was rejected I think a year or two back. They tried creating the page again by changing the content to make it plain and non-promotional. Added proper reference links too. Their point is that the other co-founder (whose page got deleted) is also a prominent figure (no less than the co-founder who has the page up) and is well covered by the media; journalists and people also look for him, and there is need and a solid case to have a separate Wikipedia page for him.

I am thinking to follow the below steps to help. And please I request you all to guide me here to make the best, ethical decision:

1. Ask the client's employee to go through Wikipedia guidelines and policies thoroughly, especially the ones which led to this situation. 2. Ask the client's employee to appeal for getting his account unblocked. And in this appeal he should disclose that he had conflict of interest. And such mistakes will not be repeated. 3. Appeal to the administrator to have a closer look at the edits made on the company page and co-founder page (which all she/he rejected) and instead of rejecting everything, advise on making them better suited for Wikipedia if she/he finds there are specific issue with certain edit(s). 4. To create a page for the other co-founder, I can advice the client to first analyze if there is a solid case to have a separate page for this person, and if there is a good case, they can start by creating a page at Special:Mypage/co-founder which can allow other editors to contribute while the page gets developed, instead of controlling the content themselves.

Your advice is much appreciated. Looking forward to hear back. Thank you!

Yours faithfully,

- Fahad

PS. My apologies, I can not yet disclose the pages and editor's profile referred to here, but if you feel it is mandatory and will help resolve the issue in any way, I can put it here. Fahadmonibsiddiqui (talk) 11:12, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Fahadmonibsiddiqui, it would be good if your client's employee could post here on this page (though not in this section, if you want to maintain anonymity), explaining what has happened and asking for well-informed advice. But he can't, if his account (Wikipedia doesn't do profiles) has been blocked. I'm somewhat surprised that an inexperienced editor has been blocked for undisclosed paid editing. But there may be aspects that I don't know about. Maproom (talk) 11:52, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your response @Maproom. As per my knowledge, he is not getting paid exclusively for wiki edits. I think he got this as an additional responsibility to his job role. And yes, his experience is limited only to editing which is the easier part, becoming acquainted with and complying with the policy is the hard part, which I think is not a common practice. Hence, the good work by administrators, and responsible editors is needed. I'll request the client's employee to explain in a suitable forum, but right now, I need help to understand which steps to follow in a case like this. Fahadmonibsiddiqui (talk) 12:29, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Fahadmonibsiddiqui. When you write that "These edits were accepted without any issue", are you aware that most edits aren't subject to any form of approval process? It's likely that the edits concerned just went unnoticed.

You also write that "From my understanding and knowledge of how Wikipedia works and the policy and guidelines to edits content or to create new page, I can say that the edits made on company page and those on the co-founder page do not seem to violate any guidelines, the one concern I have though is that this employee who made the edits did not disclose his conflict of interest, which he should have done to begin with". That final part is very important. Undisclosed paid editing is a violation of the site's terms of use. Please see WP:PAID on this (it also strikes me that the requirement to make the disclosure also likely applies to you). Cordless Larry (talk) 12:38, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

it also strikes me that the requirement to make the disclosure also likely applies to you
It certainly does! Dutchy45 (talk) 12:44, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi Larry. Thanks for your response. "It's likely that the edits concerned just went unnoticed." but I have checked these edits and it seems they have made updates which do not qualify as promotional. These seem like necessary updates, and I think regular updates are made by different brands everyday as part of the hygiene to keep the information up-to-date, and my client's attempt probably was not very different. Having said that, please note, I was not involved with the client until the issue surfaced.

I am not sure if the edits made by the employee qualifies as "paid edits" as this was given as an additional responsibility to him, he does a completely different job.

Can you please advice how can we approach this step-by-step? Fahadmonibsiddiqui (talk) 13:36, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

You stated that the edits were accepted, Fahadmonibsiddiqui, and I pointed out that there isn't an acceptance process (unless they were requested via an edit request, perhaps?). You're now stating that they were necessary, but that's a different matter.

Edits made by an employee are paid edits. Both you and your client need to make the required disclosure. Your client can then appeal their block and promise not to edit the relevant articles directly, but to use the edit request process as outlined at WP:COIREQ. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:51, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Larry. This is helpful. I'll ensure the procedure is followed correctly moving forward. If you have any other advise please share. Fahadmonibsiddiqui (talk) 15:07, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing may be of interest. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:03, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

@Fahadmonibsiddiqui As CordlessLarry says, "paid editing" is not restricted to cases where someone is paid per edit. Edits made by unpaid interns are "paid edits", and so are edits made by company owners. WP has its own lingo... 71.228.112.175 (talk) 05:08, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@Fahadmonibsiddiqui: Please also see Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1160#Editing employer or client page and the responses you received in that thread. Before you do anything else, please read the information under the heading "Managing a conflict of interest" on your user talk page, and as a matter of priority, make the necessary disclosures. Thank you. --bonadea contributions talk 17:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Two articles need combining

Found Shout (Laurie Halse Anderson book) and Shout (memoir) as they are on the same subject. Can someone combine them when they have time? Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 11:17, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

@GrahamHardy I note that @Just another anon already tagged one of the pair in January this year but doesn't seem to have followed through. I wonder if the correct process was followed, since Shout (memoir) doesn't also have the tag. It seems obvious they do need to be merged as duplicates. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:25, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

@GrahamHardy I checked carefully and couldn't find any content at Shout (Laurie Halse Anderson book) that wasn't already at Shout (memoir), so I just created a redirect and removed some double redirects. You might like to check I didn't miss anything useful. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:34, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

help with photo caption

I am editing this page and need to credit the photographer even though the image is open source. How do I do that so it doesn't get deleted?

Someone keeps deleting the photographer credit, over and over. It's the top photo on this page (with Adrienne Rich): Susan Sherman

Thank you!

Tamar Ovaryian (talk) 18:18, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

@Ovaryian, the place to credit the photographer - if it is required - is not in the caption in the article, but on Commons where the image is hosted. I note that you uploaded it as "own work", which is apparently not the case. 97.113.27.216 (talk) 18:34, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! That's very helpful Ovaryian (talk) 19:52, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello again Ovaryian. I'm afraid it's not as simple as you are suggesting on c:COM:Deletion requests/File:Adrienne Rich and Susan Sherman.jpg. You have made the legal assertion I, the copyright holder of this work, hereby publish it under the following license, which now appears not to be true.

I don't know if Commons will accept changing the licence on the file, or whether it will have to be deleted and uploaded again; but in either case, you must provide evidence that it is licensed in a manner consistent with Commons' requirements: that the copyright holder has either explicitly placed it in the public domain, or explicitly released it under a free licence such as CC-BY-SA. I suggest you reply on that Commons discussion page, citing where the explicit release of the image is to be found. ColinFine (talk) 20:23, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! I appreciate your help. Learning as a go. I certainly did not intend to mislead about the provenance of the photo. I believe the photographer has emailed her release, but I'll do as you suggested as well. Ovaryian (talk) 01:28, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

@Ovaryian, @ColinFine What does "open source" mean for an image, if anything? A mis-naming of "public domain", perhaps? 71.228.112.175 (talk) 05:19, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

I don't know that it means anything. I too guess that the writer is thinking of "public domain", or maybe is unaware of the difference between public domain and a free licence. ColinFine (talk) 21:46, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

User translating English pages to Igbo

I came across a page (Cedrus atlantica) written in Igbo. It turns out the user @Winniejovita has been translating pages into Igbo. They have only started recently and only changed two pages so far. I reverted their edit to the cedar article, and the other one was already reverted.

However, I think there is a high chance that this isn't a case of purposeful vandalism, considering the effort put in to make the edits and the user's page. Therefore, I have put a notice on their talk page telling them to instead create the articles on the Igbo Wikipedia[1]. I think they might be valuable editor for the development of that language's Wikipedia, bearing in mind that it only has around 1500 pages according to Wikidata. I'm a relatively new editor myself so if anyone more experienced has any ideas or wants to help then that would be great. I think it would be of much benefit to the Igbo Wikipedia if someone walked them through how to translate pages between different language Wikipedias so they could contribute properly. MimiKal797 (talk) 02:16, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, MimiKal797. Instructions for translating articles from the English language Wikipedia to Wikipedia versions in other languages can be found at Wikipedia:Translate us. Can you share this link with the other editor? Cullen328 (talk) 06:26, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much @MimiKal797, i am in touch with the Igbo community and will make the effort to connect with the editor to guide them. Thanks for pointing this out. Best. OtuNwachinemere (talk) 21:32, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Other evidence of notability for films

Hi, I want clarity over "The film has received a major award for excellence in some aspect of filmmaking" guideline. What exactly are these aspects of filmmaking other than production? Do they include direction, music, cinematography, screen writing, acting, or others? ... Would a film meet this criterion if it receives awards for categories like, "best actor award", "best playback singer award", or "best musician award"? Thanks. Insight 3 (talk) 04:04, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Insight 3. Pay special attention to the General principles section of that notability guideline. In the end, it is the quality of the reliable, independent sources and the depth of the coverage in those sources that establishes notability. The standards established in the various special notability guidelines are to provide editors with a convenient yardstick for determing whether or not a certain topic is likely to be notable, not that it is guaranteed to be notable. With regards to awards given to films, the significance of the overall award is much more important than the specific category of the award. It is difficult to imagine a film that won three Academy Awards in any category not being notable. On the other hand, it is easy to imagine a low budget film made in a rural county winning a few awards at a regional film award ceremony but not receiving significant coverage elsewhere. In other words, film awards are an indicator of notability, not a guarantee of notability. Cullen328 (talk) 06:07, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Ok, I understand a film must meet the primary criteria of notability first. But my question is about the nature of different categories of awards a film may receive. For example, it is clear that if a film gets "best film award", it adds to its notability. But if a film only receives a "best actor award", would the award then enhance the notability of the film or it would go to the actor's credit? Insight 3 (talk) 07:00, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Insight 3, any major award in a major category awarded to a film means that the film is highly likely to be notable. It is difficult to imagine a film that won for "Best Actor in a Motion Picture" at the Golden Globe Awards not receiving sufficient coverage in reliable sources to establish notability. Do you have a specific situation in mind, or is this all hypothetical? Specific situations are best for Teahouse discussion. Cullen328 (talk) 07:22, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, there is an AfD discussion going on for a Nigerian film. The film has won 2 awards in acting categories. Though I agree it lacks basic media coverage, but a participant's remarks regarding the awards made me confused:"Beside, the award was NOT for the film itself (or any "aspect of filmmaking" per WP:NFO#3), its two wins are for acting. Do you create an article for "Best Kiss in a Movie" winner too?...". Insight 3 (talk) 10:55, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Insight 3, so this is about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lucifer (2019 Nigerian film). It is interesting that there is no Wikipedia article about the actor who won the award. In all honesty, I see a lot of weak reasoning in that debate on both sides. What is completely lacking in the discussion is any evidence that the film received significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. I clicked on two of the references in the article and was taken to websites infected with malware. That discourages additional investigation. Cullen328 (talk) 15:42, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Well, that discussion has been closed as no consensus. Now what I have understood from your previous reply is that it doesn't matter what's the category (whether direction, story, music, acting, or whatever) of the award a film receives, all that matters is how much media coverage that film gets as a result of winning any award. Am I right? Insight 3 (talk) 10:40, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@Insight 3 Acting is not an aspect of filmmaking? Sure, the acting is done by the actors, but then, the cinematography is done by the cinematographers, and the special effects by the SFX people. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 05:44, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Verification of a post about myself

As a frequent daily user of Wikipedia (couple of time donnod, but that is not important in this case) I evaluated that as an author of three non-fiction books (two in English) and non-political reasonably good known Slovenian it would make sense to post a short entry of myself on Wikipedia. Everything I wrote as a proposal was already published this way or another and is 100% factual. Something that I respect and something that I sometimes help to correct in other Wikipedia entries.

I have been informed that one cannot post an entry on himself - which make perfect sense. I was advised to contact a reliable Wkipedia contributor to asses and hopefully post it. I do not know how to contact anyone from the proposed list of reliable sources for Wikipedia.

Could anyone help me with this?

Thank you.

p.s. I'm using Wikipedia sometimes in my scientific papers - which is sometimes not welcomed by my peers, but I will keep doing this. Drapi (talk) 09:53, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

@Drapi Welcome to the Teahouse. Your first (not only) hurdle is WP:GNG. So, based on what you read there, what are the best 3-5 sources you can think of? They don't have to be in English, though it makes things somewhat easier. Recommended reading: Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:02, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy link Draft:Andrej Drapal. Theroadislong (talk) 10:08, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

You are not FORBIDDEN from attempting a draft about yourself, but all facts must be verified by independent references. Many try-but-fail attempts are because content the person knows to be true about themself has no independent reference. Confirmation of you having written books belong in the article, but contribute nothing to confirming your notability. David notMD (talk) 17:12, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

When you write that you use Wikipedia in scientific papers, Drapi, do you mean that you reference it? I'd recommend not doing that. See Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia for an explanation of why. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:20, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Contrary to what Cordless Larry suggests, I encourage you to cite Wikipedia in scientific papers, as long as you do it properly. As Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia indicates, that means citing a particular revision with a permalink rather than a changing page, and using it only for reasonably uncontroversial stuff. I have done so myself once in a paper and once in my PhD thesis, and nobody batted an eye. (If someone had objected, I would probably have found another citation.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 10:06, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Redirect to a section with categories

The article
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Anthony_Falls_Hydroelectric_Development has sections, such as "Main Street Station 1894 1911" that should be included in categories, such as Category:Hydroelectric power plants in Minnesota
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:R_to_section it appears a new article "Main Street Station" can be created with

1. REDIRECT ++St._Anthony_Falls_Hydroelectric_Development#Main Street Station 1894 1911++
   

++R to section++
++Category:Hydroelectric power plants in Minnesota++
++other categories++
that will be alphabetized as "Main Street Station"?
how is that different from

1. REDIRECT ++St._Anthony_Falls_Hydroelectric_Development#Main Street Station 1894 1911++
   

NO ++R to section++
++Category:Hydroelectric power plants in Minnesota++
++other categories++
that will be alphabetized as "Main Street Station"?
"List of contributing properties in the St. Anthony Falls Historic District#Nicollet Island
Residential Area" has a list of houses that are part of a historic district and thus are NRHP. Is it appropriate to do the same kind of redirect with
++Category:Houses on the National Register of Historic Places in Minnesota++
(the redirect is for a list)?
Comments? BudKey (talk) 14:35, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, BudKey. I'm afraid my comment is that excessive use of new lines makes your post so difficult to read that I can't get my head round it. I suspect that other people have a similar reaction, and that's why nobody has answered in 31 hours. ColinFine (talk) 18:29, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Sorry. Isn't just new lines but spacing looking like double new lines which came from Wiki Markup. Wiki Markup drastically reformatted what I wrote. I didn't notice how bad it was before I posted it and then didn't have time to figure out a fix. Best fix would probably have been to look up how to turn off Wiki Markup. BudKey (talk) 13:21, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @BudKey, and welcome to the Teahouse. If I understand correctly you want to create a redirect to the Main Street Station section in the article and categorize that redirect. That is fine, and it should be categorized as redirect to section because that is what it is. However Main Street Station already exists as a redirect to a disambiguation page for the many articles on Wikipedia that have main street station in their names. So call the redirect something like Main Street Station (hydroelectric plant). You can also create redirects to list articles. StarryGrandma (talk) 18:36, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

@BudKey: It appears you ask which difference it makes to include the code {{R to section}}. See Template:R to section. It displays a message when the redirect page is viewed and adds the page to the hidden category Category:Redirects to sections. See [2] for an example. It has no influence on the actual redirect. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:49, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Climate Change article editing

Hello, Teahouse. I would please request your permission to edit the main "Climate Change" article. I have background in meteorology and graduate level climatology. My focus is on "Droughts in California" which I have begun to edit due to incorrect or inapplicable information about the climate of California and causes of drought. I need to direct this page to the main pages on "Climate of California" and "Climate Change" for background that is not specific to California, possibly to other relevant pages. I will need to delete much of the content of the Climate Change section of the "Droughts in California" page since the content does not relate to California and comes across biased for that reason. I have just edited the disambiguation for global warming to clarify that global warming is one type of climate change (the terms are not interchangeable) and would like to add this detail to the "Climate Change" article; and further specify two types of climate change as natural and anthropogenic (man-made) since climate change occurred before greenhouse gasses were released by human industry. I will provide examples of natural climate change. I have also seen there is a call for climate experts, and I do see by my perusal the need on Wikipedia to improve the content surrounding climate. I am beginning my endeavors with the "Droughts in California" page. I may possibly be able to involve other academics in Wikipedia articles once I have entered material on level for review. FinancialCents (talk) 21:20, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @FinancialCents and welcome to the Teahouse. You do not need anyone's permission to edit. Technical articles are alway in need of expert input, but please read Wikipedia:Expert editors first. This is quite different from writing technical papers. As an encyclopedia, our articles summarize published reliable sources (usually secondary), do not include original research, and do not draw conclusions that are not in the sources. Your examples will need to be provided using already published sources. We are happy to have you here. StarryGrandma (talk) 21:38, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

@FinancialCents: Hi there! The Climate change article is semi-protected. Once your account is at least four days old and you have made at least ten edits to Wikipedia, your account will become autoconfirmed and you will be able to edit the article. Thank you for your work to improve Wikipedia! GoingBatty (talk) 23:02, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes I see now that I am autoconfirmed. The notes and warnings led me to believe otherwise. My edits were not accepted by other editors, so I have moved to the Talk page of the Climate Change article. I am going by university course teachings by PhD researchers and also with core texts Meteorology Today (Ahrens, Hansen) and Climatology (Rohli, Vega). My input is not politicized. FinancialCents (talk) 23:46, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

I doubt that university course teachings can be used as references. David notMD (talk) 00:52, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

David notMD Presumably you mean that unrecorded, oral presentations in teaching courses are iffy, because they are not verifiable. However, recorded presentations, or slides of teaching materials, or textbooks certainly are acceptable, and used in a lot of articles. See for instance the first six references of the article Electric field.

Of course, recent research in reputable scholarly journals trumps such sources, but in the absence of a disagreement between sources, teaching material is fine. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:53, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

I sit corrected. I would have replied "I stand corrected," but first, I am sitting, and second, I am puzzled as to why "I stand corrected" is correct, even though I just found out that its origin is a play from the 1600s. David notMD (talk) 12:19, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Surely "stand" (and n. "stance") is here used in a metaphorical sense to refer to one's mental 'position' on a philosophical, ideological or intellectual matter. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.193.131.160 (talk) 13:51, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

I have seen signs in a sidewalk, in cities, that say "Bus stop - no standing". Apparently "standing" covers a lot of positions. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 05:49, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Features Lists on Main Page

I have a close family member with a stutter. I found List of stutterers and it seems it has never been on the main page. There must be a process for this. If someone could submit this list into the process I'd appreciate it. Thanks.WhoAmIYouDoNotKnow (talk) 00:45, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@WhoAmIYouDoNotKnow: I fixed your link. Check out WP:FL for links on what the requirements are for featured lists and how to nominate one if it is ready. RudolfRed (talk) 00:57, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

WhoAmIYouDoNotKnow, Talk:List of stutterers tells us: "This article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured list on October 24, 2014." -- Hoary (talk) 03:19, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary: @RudolfRed: Thanks to both of you! WhoAmIYouDoNotKnow (talk) 17:33, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Editor seems angry

Starting with a note at Talk:Diagolon, there's a series of big edits that seem rather questionable. Some I don't understand what they do (like the citation ones). Can someone with more experience take a look? I've only ever done single reverts and didn't have the best time last time. Appreciate y'all! — LumonRedacts 04:40, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

The IP's edits to Diagolon were reverted. Part of the problem was that the IP used the Diagolon website as a reference for descriptions of what Diagolon is and is not.

Looks to me like the IP also cited several independent sources. A wholesale revert was inappropriate, in my opinion. ~Anachronist (talk) 08:19, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, thanks for your reply, see your perspective totally, @Anachronist. I think, however, the editing was pretty... pernicious? IP edited around <ref> code, didn't add new sources for their rewrites. If you see Diagolon is a global movement of people with wildly different goals and opinions who share a strong love of freedom and reject the intrusion of government in civil liberties at this diff, it looks like they wrote around an existing source that said something else entirely? I mentioned the citations earlier because it just seemed something was going on that seemed ... thought-out about them? (I'm sorry, I'm still working on no coffee, and I'm not sure if any of this makes any sense at all. And honestly... that page is a mess.... ugh.) Cheers! — LumonRedacts 13:08, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

JPG Link Upload

How does one attach JPGs without pasting the entire html from a website into the syntax of the wiki user sandbox? Is this done through the Upload Wizard? Thanks The ganymedian (talk) 06:27, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@The ganymedian: yes, you upload photos using the upload wizard. your pictures must be appropriately licensed to be used, and photos found on the internet are rarely cc-licensed. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 07:34, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

oh yes, if you can show that the picture meets the non-free content criteria, you may use copyrighted images. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 07:37, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Assuming that you don't intend to claim "fair use" for this or that article, The ganymedian, upload eligible images to Wikimedia Commons, not to Wikipedia. Once they're at Commons, you can use them for Wikipedia as if they'd been uploaded to Wikipedia. lettherebedarklight has already pointed you to WP:IUPC; please be sure to digest it and understand it. -- Hoary (talk) 07:44, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@The ganymedian: (edit conflict) "Attaching" Media to an article must be done in two steps, the first of which is the complicated one: First, the Media File in question must be uploaded, either locally to the english Wikipedia, or to our sister project Wikimedia Commons. I say this step is complicated, because it is nessesary to find out the copyright restrictions of the media file before uploading it. Wikimedia Commons accepts files which have either been demonstrably licensed under a free license, or are demonstrably Public Domain in both the country of origin and the US. The english Wikipedia, on the other hand, accepts all media files Wikipedia Commons would accept, plus, non-free (i.e. copyrighted or incompatibly licensed) media, if it meets all of the non-free content criteria. Please also note that both the english Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons consider works to be fully copyrighted unless there is evidence to the contrary. The second step, is to actually add the media file to the page in question. Non-free images are only permitted in articles and certain internal discussions where transcluding them is nessesary. Normally, the Upload Wizards I linked to above will provide you with the general syntax to add an image to the article, but for completeness's sake, usally standalone images are added with [[File:Filename.ext|thumb|Image caption]]. See Wikipedia:Extended image syntax for more. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:56, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Do something for this draft.

I see that " Draft:Embassy of Switzerland, New Delhi is lagging necglected, and is there since for almost a couple of month. I would suggest that either editors/contributers looks into the issuea and improve and submit the draft for article. Otherwise, as I have mentioned on it's talk page, please redirect it to List of diplomatic missions in India#Diplomatic missions in New Delhi. BoyHayHay (talk) 08:02, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@BoyHayHay: Feel free to merge any material in that short draft into a target article, especially if there isn't enough there for a standalone article. There is no need to create redirects from draft space. If the draft is not resubmitted, it will simply be deleted after 6 months, and can be restored by request; see WP:REFUND. ~Anachronist (talk) 08:21, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

I am still a rookie at these changes. So, i would rather request other/ BoyHayHay (talk) 12:09, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Ok well no needed, i appiled "db-g7". The Draft can be simply and safely be deleted. BoyHayHay (talk) 12:26, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Some one created fake article for my company

Dear Team

Please how to remove fake article because one of fake person created my company page 103.211.38.189 (talk) 08:06, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Could you tell us the name of the company, so that this can be investigated? Cordless Larry (talk) 08:15, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@Cordless Larry: It looks like it might be Herald Scholarly Open Access, based on the IP's contribution history. ~Anachronist (talk) 08:23, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

I presumed so too, but it would be good to hear it from the IP (and also what's "fake" about the article). Cordless Larry (talk) 08:31, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

If I understand right, Cordless Larry, a fake article is one created by one or more fake persons. I'd be interested to learn how the questioner distinguishes between the fake persons who create WP articles and the real persons who do so. -- Hoary (talk) 12:11, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

The article in question was created by an editor who has been active for ten years, and has edited and created other articles about companies in the publication business. If this about Herald Scholarly Open Access, there have been (reverted) attempts by IPs 223.230.83.118 and 203.109.95.146 to "whitewash" well-referenced criticism of the company. David notMD (talk) 12:41, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

I have semi-protected that article for six months. Any concerns can be discussed at Talk:Herald Scholarly Open Access. Cullen328 (talk) 16:27, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

FYI, it doesn't appear to be semi-protected, Cullen328. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:13, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Cordless Larry, I am not sure what I did wrong but it is semi-protected now. Cullen328 (talk) 17:19, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Crop image of painting is not a copy vio?

Thomas William Holburne

Hello there, would it be a violation if I cropped an image from this website and use it as a lead image in wikipedia? It is a 19th century painting which I believe can be published under a free license. Danial Bass (talk) 08:47, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

• @Danial Bass: If the painting itself is out of copyright, a faithful reproduction is considered copyright-free (or at least, that’s a legal position the WMF takes). You will need to tag the file with the appropriate template from Wikipedia:File_copyright_tags/Public_domain#Art. You can make any sort of derivative work from such a public-domain image (e.g. by cropping) and release it under a Commons-compatible license.

However, whether the painting is out of copyright might not be so obvious. Assuming UK law applies and Wikipedia:Non-U.S._copyrights#Dates_of_restoration_and_terms_of_protection is accurate, paintings lapse into public domain 70 years after their author’s death. In our case, that means the painter must be dead in 1952 at the latest. It seems very unlikely that the painting was made after the subject’s death in 1874, or that the painter went on to live 78 years after making the painting, but you would need to be sure. Do you know who the painter was? Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:44, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the detailed response @Tigraan, this is very useful! From what I gathered the painter is (most probably) Charles Jaegger (1770-1827) from this source. Danial Bass (talk) 09:55, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@Danial Bass You could use the one on Commons already. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:05, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Yeah I actually just noticed this haha. But the info from Tigraan was still valuable. Danial Bass (talk) 11:48, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Translation Help

Hello, I need some help with the translation of the meta page Code for Africa Climate Project into french. Thanks Jwale2 (talk) 11:18, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

How can I reactivate the Basic Income project and why has interest left it?

UBI is a very important social reform but it suffers from systemic resistance which is not recognised by advocates. Janosabel (talk) 12:21, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Janosabel, the teahouse is for asking questions about editing or using Wikipedia, not general content questions. Sungodtemple (talk) 12:28, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for not being very helpful Janosabel (talk) 12:40, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello Janosabel, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please don't be rude towards them; you never mentioned a Wikiproject specifically, and they thought you were talking about something else.

Asparagusus (interaction) 12:46, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. I thought "Basic Income project" would mean the Wiki project. Janosabel (talk) 13:22, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@Janosabel: It probably does to users who already know it but we have thousands of projects and millions of pages, and many posts use general terms like "project" without meaning something Wikipedia-specific like a WikiProject. It's the first I hear of Wikipedia:WikiProject Universal Basic Income after 17 years and 70,000 edits. Please always link any page you refer to or want help with, or at least give the exact name. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:28, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for this interesting insight into the editorial community.

I was advised to come to the teahouse for help about reactivating Wikipedia:WikiProject Universal Basic Income . Janosabel (talk) 20:44, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@Sungodtemple, I believe they were asking about WikiProject Universal Basic Income.

Asparagusus (interaction) 12:42, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Janosabel. With only a few exceptions, a large majority of WikiProjects are inactive. They were popular during Wikipedia's rapid growth period about 15 years ago. I suggest that you check to see whether any members of the project are still actively editing, and reach out directly to any that are still around. Cullen328 (talk) 16:34, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Tanks, Cullen.

This is a promising suggestion. Will follow up. Janosabel (talk) 20:47, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Re: How to Publish the Article

I have created the I have created the BALHASAHEB (Ramrao)Rathod page I am unable to publish the article and if I have search with this name BALHASAHEB (Ramrao)Rathod it is showing no result found.

So,could you please let me know how to publish the article. BALHASAHEB (Ramrao)Rathod (talk) 13:16, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@BALHASAHEB (Ramrao)Rathod You have, I'm afraid, fallen at the first hurdle because you have tried to create an autobiography without taking the time to learn anything about what is required to meet Wikipedia's standards. Please read help on how to write here but more importantly WP:NOT, which discusses some of the things Wikipedia is NOT to be used for. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:34, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

You have created two drafts Draft:BALHASAHEB (Ramrao)Rathod and Draft:BALHASAHEB RATHOD with identical content, both Declined. Among other failures, neither have any references, an essential requirement. Every fact must be verified via independent references. There is a RESUBMIT button. Any search engine only finds approved articles. David notMD (talk) 17:32, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

BALHASAHEB (Ramrao)Rathod it may be of help for you to read Help:Referencing for beginners and Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources before adding needed references to your draft article. Karenthewriter (talk) 22:05, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

How to get a draft article to replace a redirect

Hello. I've been an editor for years but mainly citation, updates, etc and not redirects or page creations. I want to move Draft:Old People's Home for Teenagers to Old People's Home for Teenagers but it is redirected to Old People's Home for 4 Year Olds. I've read several items about doing this, but this is my first time.

I am hoping someone could talk me through it. I don't want to mess things up. I thought I understood what to do. I got a little confused on the process, so I thought I'd come to the Teahouse.

Now I am wondering if I can simply go into the page in redirect mode https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Old_People%27s_Home_for_Teenagers&redirect=no, remove all the redirect code and put the draft code in there and have my draft deleted?

Thanks in advance, also feel free to add tips and help on my talk page as I try to do more advanced editing on Wikipedia. P37307 (talk) 13:54, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@P37307 I believe you don't need to move the draft to the redirect, you could just copy the text from the draft, remove the redirect, and paste the material. I suggest you read Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia because copying within Wikipedia requires attribution. WP:RTOA is just a basic idea of this. I also back up what ColinFine says below, so that can be an alternative to what I suggest. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 14:37, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Paul, and welcome to the Teahouse. You can't do that yourself, as it requires admin intervention, so make a request at requested moves.

However, I'm not convinced that your draft yet establishes that the subject is notable, so it might be a better plan to paste {{subst:submit}} in the top of it and wait for a review. ColinFine (talk) 14:37, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Reporting a page.

How do i report a page? there was one under a dream SMP tag, and one of the links had uncencored gore. DreamSMP.Fanboy (talk) 14:56, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@DreamSMP.Fanboy: Welcome to the Teahouse. Which page would that be? I see you made an unfunny edit request at Talk:Dream SMP. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:32, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Bella Hadid

Hello, i saw Bella Hadid article and it seems like an error on her biography. I mean, her middle name is 'Khair' not 'Khairiah'. proof : 1, 2, 3 and even her instagram biography is : Isabella Khair Hadid. Can you change it please? Thank you :) Datsofelija (talk) 15:37, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Datsofelija, you can change it yourself. See WP:BRD. Sungodtemple (talk) 15:41, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Datsofelija, and welcome to the Teahouse. I agree that those sources say that her name is "Khair", but in the existing citation no 4 in the article, her father says that it's "Khairiah". It's always a bit of a problem to know what to do when the sources disagree. ColinFine (talk) 16:01, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, @Sungodtemple & @ColinFine, thank you for your replies, i know i can change it myself, the goal of wikipedia but i wanted to share the things with you all and sharing opinions... And yeah, her dad told in interview but only in one interview, no more... so.. what count? Datsofelija (talk) 16:45, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

"Skin"!?

I clicked on the link to try out the new interface features, and got the message, This will change your skin and reload the page. Are you sure? I'm pretty sure I don't want my skin changed, and I doubt that any other users will either. What on earth is it talking about? Koro Neil (talk) 15:56, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@Koro Neil: Welcome to the Teahouse. For more information about skins, you're going to want to click on that link. Basically there are some features that are available on certain visual representations of the site, and you will need to change to one that has those features enabled. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:59, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@Koro Neil: See Wikipedia:Skin for our skins. You can always change skin at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:02, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

I got the same message. Is it attempting to change my skin to Vector 2022? IT didn't seem very clear. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:15, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

No idea what these new interface features are, but I assume that's the skin that's being changed to. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:54, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

It's an attempt to get user experience or feedback when one changes to the new skin. There is/was a discussion on making Vector 2022 the default skin for new users and IP users. Volten001 ^☎ 17:57, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Lists of celebrations of various General Roman Calendar revisions

Hello, I’d like to discuss how to proceed.

At the beginning of September 2022, @Veverve began to remove lists of celebrations inscribed into various revision of the General Roman Calendar:

• General Roman Calendar (was: 1969, now it is a general article regarding the GRC);
• Tridentine calendar (1571+);
• General Roman Calendar of 1954;
• General Roman Calendar of Pope Pius XII (1955);
• General Roman Calendar of 1960;
• General Roman Calendar of 1969:

• particular calendars (1969):

• National calendars of the Roman Rite;
• Institutional and societal calendars of the Roman Rite;
• Personal jurisdiction calendars of the Roman Rite.

Now, there are some users who want to keep the celebrations lists within the articles. The celebrations lists are the core part of the article to these users (including myself). Additional information can be found in the talk pages:

• Talk:General_Roman_Calendar#WP:NOTDIRECTORY;
• Talk:General_Roman_Calendar#WP:LISTCRITERIA;
• Talk:General_Roman_Calendar_of_1954#Proposed_deletion.

There were some edit wars too because of this.

Now, I understand that Wikipedia is not a list nor a directory, however, is there no other Wikipedia policy/rule that would allow such long (but finite) lists of celebrations to be included in a Wikipedia article?

Later, as I couldn’t see a way to include the celebrations lists within the articles, I started to move the celebrations lists to my GitLab repository. @Veverve seemed to be okay with adding a link to External links within General Roman Calendar of 1969, however, @Elizium23 soon removed it on WP:ELNO basis. See also this discussion on this topic.

Now, please advice, how can we proceed? I simply want to have the lists of celebrations within the articles, either directly or indirectly. Is that possible? 7otto (talk) 19:23, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@7oto: The Teahouse isn't really the right venue to resolve what appears to be a content dispute. You might try starting a Request for Comment (see WP:RFC) to gain a wider consensus on a specific content issue. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:06, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

It has been awhile since I have posted.

Hello, I need to upload a biography and picture of Professor David S. Chambers. Please refresh my memory on how to get started. Apparently, my last post failed. Thanks Cliff Norman Cliffnorman (talk) 20:19, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Cliffnorman, welcome to the Teahouse. Your first article is a good place to start, either for a newcomer or someone looking to refresh their memory. Did you take the picture yourself (or is it so old as to be no longer copyrighted)? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:23, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up on the photo and the links. I believe the photo is from American Society for Quality, for which I am a Senior Member. Cliffnorman (talk) 21:54, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@Cliffnorman, the photo is likely copyrighted, and it seems you are not the copyright holder (it is usually the photographer). If the subject of your article is alive, you will need to find the photo's copyright holder and have them release it under a compatible license. If the subject is not alive, you may be able to use the photo under WP:FAIRUSE - it will need to meet all of the criteria outlined on that page. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:04, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Cliffnorman Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you have an image of the professor that you took with your own camera, you can go to WP:UPIMAGE for instructions on uploading. If you didn't take the image uploading one is a bit trickier due to copyright issues.

If you are inexperienced with creating articles, please first read Your First Article and use the new user tutorial. You may then go to Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft for review. You will want to gather at least three independent reliable sources with significant coverage of the professor to summarize. 331dot (talk) 20:24, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Your post failed because you were on your User page. See above for how to create a draft. "Need" suggests a personal or paid connection to Chambers. Is that true, or would "Want" have been a better choice? David notMD (talk) 21:51, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the help and links! Also the issue with photos. Cliffnorman (talk) 21:56, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Is theamericanreporter.com a reliable source?

Greetings all,

I have been doing clean-ups mostly, and gradually building my understanduing of Wikipedia. After reading Wikipedia:Reliable sources and Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources, I have developed much of the understanding of the reliable sources, however, I am still fuzzy about "The American Reporter", after having an argument with one of my friends... If anyone could be helpful, I would be very grateful.

Thanks in advance. 24GT (talk) 21:56, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, 24GT. The Teahouse is not really the place to discuss this. Please ask at WP:RSN. ColinFine (talk) 22:21, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Ok. Thank you. 24GT (talk) 17:58, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

TRYING TO PUBLISH MY ARTICLE

I wanted to know if anyone can help me publish this article I created. Draft:Wayne Ayers MarcusMoore360 (talk) 23:20, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

MarcusMoore360 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I have added the appropriate information to allow you to submit the draft. 331dot (talk) 23:28, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

MarcusMoore360, this is somebody who, we are told, "has been featured in Forbes, Business Insider, Yahoo Finance, Black Enterprise, Ebony Magazine, and more". If one or more of these said something substantive about him, then summarize this and attribute it to the particular article (by the particular author(s)) in the particular issue (and, if the article available on the web, provide the link). Merely having been "featured" here or there amounts to very little. -- Hoary (talk) 01:21, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

@MarcusMoore360 Many of the sentences in "Careers" gave no citation to a source. Words like "proud", "uplifting", and the phrase "some of the biggest media stories in the industry" are wp:puffery and are unreferenced. Number of followers and visitors doesn't show notability. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 05:32, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Levels of Vandalism

Hey there. I was wondering whether the sorts of Vandalism like [3] would warrant stricter action then, say, someone writing bananaface on a random article. or should it all be treated as the same? Thank you all so much, I'm still rather new to this. AdmiralAckbar1977 (talk) 00:12, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, if you see anyone urging the killing (or rape, torture, disfigurement, etc) of any person or group of people, I suggest that you take it straight to WP:ANI. (As for this perp, I've already given them a 31-hour break from editing.) -- Hoary (talk) 01:16, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

In my opinion, this case may be placed with vandalism level 4im, as it shows malice towards a discriminated group, posted in bad faith, and blatant vandalism. Honestly, I think the vandal is too immature for the internet, seeing how much of an edgy twerp they are. Explodicator7331 (talk) 01:21, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

I hid it deeper. DMacks (talk) 03:53, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Photo spacing in User Sandbox

I know I may ask many questions and I appreciate everyone's patience with me, but is anyone familiar with the spacing between pictures in a photo montage? I am putting |border = 0 and |spacing = 0 and they are still widely separated, at least in the wiki sandbox. Or, if I publish this montage, will the spacing go away? Thanks

[4] The ganymedian (talk) 00:26, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi The ganymedian, welcome to the Teahouse. You haven't saved anything in User:The ganymedian/sandbox so we cannot see what you did. Use the "Publish page" button. It's just a save button. The name means others can see it but it will still be your sandbox and not part of the encyclopedia. "Publish page" and "Show preview" look the same with rare exceptions which probably aren't relevant here. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:49, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @PrimeHunter, I have made this collage public for yours or anyone's consideration. Thank you for your help. The ganymedian (talk) 03:44, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

@The ganymedian: I made some changes [5] to be more like Template:Photo montage#Example 2: optional parameters. You are free to revert or modify my changes. When images are passed to a template like Template:Photo montage, the template often only wants the image name and adds its own image formatting which should be omitted in the call. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:20, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter Much appreciated, thank you very much! The ganymedian (talk) 05:33, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter May you know of a way to get rid of the black spaces between the rows of pictures, or is that just the way it will be without choosing different pictures? Thanks again The ganymedian (talk) 05:44, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

I think I answered my own question. Thanks again. The ganymedian (talk) 06:40, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

@The ganymedian: {{Photo montage}} has no feature to avoid such spaces when images in the same row have different height to width ratios. They would have to be displayed at different widths to get the same height but the template cannot do it. There is an old request at Template talk:Photo montage#White spaces when heights differ. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:08, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Does the artist Sewerslvt meet the notability guidelines for article creation?

They've got a pretty big fanbase, but their work (and even whole genre) are still what you could call 'underground.' They're pretty important as a 'niche' artist and very influential in the industrial/noise scene, but the fact they never really went fully mainstream means that there aren't a lot of other big time sources referencing them; should I attempt article creation, or does this seem likely to be rejected? Taurterus (talk) 02:34, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

@Taurterus: If the artist doesn't meet any of the inclusion criteria in WP:NARTIST (and more generally, WP:GNG), then, no. The size of the fanbase is irrelevant. Fame does not equate to notability. Notability is determined by the amount of independent coverage the artist gets in reliable sources. See Wikipedia:Golden rule for an overview of what is expected. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:26, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

@Taurterus: Poor articles at Sewerslvt have been moved to drafts or deleted three times. There are currently two different drafts at Draft:Sewerslvt and Draft:Sewerslvt (Artist). PrimeHunter (talk) 14:49, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Looking at the drafts I could definitely expand on the info, but it seems like even they had issues finding larger references/citations. Probably better to just leave it be, then. Thanks for the the help Taurterus (talk) 16:08, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Park Systems Wikipedia Page Modification

Hello,

I'm a PR manager at Park Systems.

There are a several updates regarding to our Park Systems Wikipedia contents, and I would liek to make some modifications.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Systems is our company wikipedia page.

The parts that we would like to modify are those sections as below.

- Park Systems Corporation - Products - History

Besides those mentioned parts, more modifcations can be made.

Please verify the availability and let me know.

Thanks, Park Systems Parksystems1997 (talk) 06:48, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Parksystems1997, thank you for not editing the page directly, and for asking here instead. What you should do is go to Talk:Park Systems, and say there exactly what changes you hope for, specifying a reliable source for each. As an (of course completely fictional) example:

Please replace:

Park Systems was founded in 1997 by Sang-il Park.^{[citation needed]}

with:

The company was founded, as Park Electrostatics, in 1996 by Park Sang-il and Park Seong-ju. It changed its name to Park Systems one year later.

Reference: Bae Jung-shin, "Park Systems wins major US contract", The Korea Times, 22 July 2022, p. 6.

-- Hoary (talk) 08:02, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

To add to what Hoary says, if you mark your request with the template {{edit request}}, it will be put on a list and is more likely to get noticed. See WP:Edit request for more details. ColinFine (talk) 10:05, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

I just checked our Park Systems WIKIPEDIA Website and realized that the contents were already removed. I only asked questions for the availability to work in the future, not right now. Please restore the preview content as soon as possible. Parksystems1997 (talk) 05:57, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Some unsourced content was removed from the article, Parksystems1997, but the article itself hasn't been deleted: Park Systems. Cordless Larry (talk) 06:16, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Please leave the content as it is now. The overall content will be edited with proper citation. Parksystems1997 (talk) 06:38, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Also, I undersetand the username policy and will no longer edit or post Park Systems related content no more. Parksystems1997 (talk) 06:40, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

You have not done as requested, instead you have re-added unsourced and poorly sourced content to the article, you do not own the article, it is Wikipedia's article about your company. Theroadislong (talk) 06:50, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

This is quite embrassing. The content had no proble until recently and now we can't restore it. I'd be very much apprecited if you can give us a bit of period to gather the citation. Parksystems1997 (talk) 07:08, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Move photo collage to existing Wikipedia article

Hey all- How do I move my photo collage that I created in my wiki sandbox into the corresponding existing article? Or am I not able to do this because of rank? Thanks The ganymedian (talk) 06:49, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @The ganymedian: I declined the montage at AfC not because there was anything wrong with it, but because the AfC review process is (mostly) for new article drafts, which this wasn't/isn't. Whichever article your montage was intended for, please edit that article directly. (And there's no question of, let alone problem with, 'rank' here.) Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:11, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @DoubleGrazing I apologize for prematurely submitting that, as I was not aware it had to be a full article (I am new to editing/adding to Wikipedia). I see there is a "move" option, but if I wanted to move my photo collage to "2017", which category do I choose? If not this method, is there a way where I can export this to the article separately? Thanks The ganymedian (talk) 07:22, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

@The ganymedian, "Move" doesn't work here. Check the wikitext at 2016 and see how it's done there, and copypaste the wikitext from your sandbox to 2017 in a similar manner, with a WP:ES that says "Copied from Template:Year 2017 events collage". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:10, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! The ganymedian (talk) 08:52, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

@The ganymedian: no biggie, and certainly no need to apologise.

As Gråbergs Gråa Sång says, 'move' isn't what you want; that's for moving a whole article to a different name. (Just thought I'd explain, in case that wasn't clear.) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:39, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you @DoubleGrazing ! Looks like the article has been updated my collage. Thanks for your help! The ganymedian (talk) 08:53, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Most of the images have now been deleted as copyright violations, and the collage has become... less collage-y (someone may want to fix the caption at 2017). @The ganymedian, you need to be much more careful about uploading images you find elsewhere on the internet - most will not be compatibly licensed. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:00, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

How do I find images that are not copyrighted? Is there a way to cite these pictures to make them acceptable for use? The ganymedian (talk) 18:06, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

@The ganymedian, no, none of those photos appear to meet the criteria at WP:FAIRUSE. Finding copyright-free images is difficult; your best options are to take photos yourself or to use ones that are already on Commons (though those may be deleted if it turns out they were uploaded illegally, as you found out). Some photo hosting services allow users to release images under free licenses, and some even allow you to search only for images released under such licenses. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:12, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, I appreciate your patience, as I am new to the editing and addition process to Wikipedia. I will find Wikipedia images to use instead. The ganymedian (talk) 18:16, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

New category idea

I had an idea where me and other users could sort cars by power output.

For Example:

Cars with less than 100 hp, Cars with 100-200 hp, and so on.

But I cannot do this by myself. - - - -T e r g y t h e u s e r- - - - (Talk to me) 11:42, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

@Tergy There is already a List of production cars by power output and some of the issues of assigning cars to categories would have the same problems as are mentioned there. If you want to suggest something more detailed, probably better to use the page WT:WikiProject Automobiles where those interested will see it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:05, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

@Tergy: Lots of articles cover many models with different power output, e.g. Mazda Familia. A category would only work if there is a redirect for each model and the redirect is categorized. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:18, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Problem with the article submission

Hello, I'd like to ask a question regarding my article about Codete IT company. It has already been published and visible on the Internet for a few months, but a few days ago it was deleted by Wikipedia because of the lack of neccessary updates [at least that was the notification]. After sending a request for re-submitting the article, there's now information about "submission refusal" with a long list of requirements that have already been approved by the Wikipedia team before. I'd like to ask for looking back at the latest article vesrion that has already been published on Wikipedia, and to relaunching it. Please, let me know who can I contact to solve this issue. Thanks for your help! IT Copy (talk) 12:12, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @IT Copy, welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft was never approved by a reviewer; you submitted it for review twice and it was declined twice. You made no further edits. Drafts that go unedited for six months are considered abandoned and automatically deleted. Once you have solved the problems the reviewer outlined in their notice, you can resubmit the draft using the "Resubmit" button. 97.113.27.216 (talk) 12:22, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Your draft exists at Draft:Codete. An editor made a minor edit to prevent it from being deleted for six-month inactivity. It was never an article. Draft are not seen by search engines such as Google. David notMD (talk) 13:41, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Positioning table in visual editor

Hello, I am doing a Wikipedia page for a local basketball coach and I am having troubles trying to position a table of context on the right side of the page. I would like it to look like Aleksandar Petrović (basketball, born February 1959). My work is still a draft named Alen Abaz. Thank you. Hamza131974 (talk) 12:17, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Hamza131974, welcome to the Teahouse. I believe you're actually asking how to create an infobox, not about the Table of Contents - is that correct? 97.113.27.216 (talk) 12:27, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Alen Abaz. David notMD (talk) 13:55, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

How do i add pictures to a article

i cant add pictures to an article with out a problem Sillyboiperson (talk) 15:06, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Sillyboiperson, welcome to the Teahouse. What problem are you having? Which picture(s) are you trying to add, and to which article(s)? Images must be properly licensed and uploaded either to Commons or locally to English Wikipedia, then inserted using the proper markup. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:12, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

thank you Sillyboiperson (talk) 15:17, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Is my client notable enough to get a Wikipedia page?

Hello, I work for digital marketing/PR agency for books/authors and one of our clients just got IG verified. She was asking me to look into getting her a Wikipedia page, but would that be considered a conflict of interest if she's my client? I also want to make sure she's notable enough before I go through the whole process -- she's a published author & life coach and has been interviewed on local news (WTOL 11, CBS) (Paula Sands Live, NBC) (Toronto Sun article). Are these appearances notable enough? I appreciate any guidance. Thank you! Pacificandcourt (talk) 16:33, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Pacificandcourt, probably not. Interviews do not count for notability, only independent, reliable sources. An interview removes the 'independent' part. Also Instagram verification does not count for anything. Sungodtemple (talk) 16:40, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Pacificandcourt, welcome to the Teahouse, and thank you for asking questions before jumping in. It does count as a COI, and in fact, the more specific WP:PAID policy would probably apply. Please read that page carefully and comply with the instructions. As an author, the guidance at WP:NAUTHOR applies; it's possible that one or more of her books may be notable instead (see WP:NBOOK) depending on the reviews they've received. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:42, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Additionally, @Pacificandcourt, your user name may be a violation of our policies, as it seems to be the name of your company rather than a personal identification. I'd recommend either abandoning this account and starting a new one that meets our guidelines ("Sarah at Pacific and Court", for instance - you need not use your real name) or applying for a user name change (WP:RENAME). This account is highly likely to be blocked for not meeting the requirements. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:46, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks so much! I had no idea -- I requested a name change. Thank you for providing me info about the COI -- I'll keep that in mind as well, although at this point I believe I'm probably too inexperienced to create the page for her if page creation is only reserved for experienced editors.

She's written a three-book nonfiction self-help series, with her last book releasing this month. The books have received reviews from notable book publications (ex. Kirkus), but as for Shari herself - there are guest articles she's written herself for notable brands about various topics, but all articles about her are about her books/TV interviews/news articles where she's a featured "expert". Would it be better to suggest a Wikipedia page writing service, and would you happen to have any suggestions I can look into for her?

Thanks so much for being so helpful, I really appreciate it! Pacificandcourt (talk) 17:24, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Kirkus does reviews for pay, so they do not contribute to notability either. Nor do articles by the subject - we need independent articles _about_ the subject. A 'Wikipedia page writing service' will probably accept your money and then produce an article that would be swiftly deleted for failing to meet notability standards. MrOllie (talk) 17:26, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

A quibble: current consensus on Kirkus Reviews is "generally reliable" except for Kirkus Indie reviews. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:03, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

@Pacificandcourt, I'm going to echo the advice above, because all too often we have folks show up here or at the Help Desk asking where their article is/where their money has gone, and they quickly learn they've been scammed. Beware who you give your (or your company's) money to. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:34, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, PacificandCourt. I want to acknowledge you for coming here and asking, and for recognising that you may not have the skills to write an article yourself. This is a lot more than many people do when they come here. But the fact that you are even considering paying somebody to write an article indicates to me that you have a very common, but utterly wrong, idea of what Wikipedia is. Promotion of any kind is forbidden anywhere on Wikipedia, and attempts to use Wikipedia as part of a marketing campaign often backfire. If your client does not currently meet our criteria for notability, then it doesn't matter who you pay, all money (and all your own efforts) that you devote will be wasted. If she does meet the requirements, then an article is possible, and it may be that some of the people offering to write it will do a good job. But "a good job" by Wikipedia's standards - the only ones that are relevant - may not be the same as what you would think of as a good job. Such an article will not belong to you or your client, will not be controlled by you, and will not be for the benefit of your client, except incidentally. Please have a look at an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. ColinFine (talk) 18:02, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Ahh thank you all for all of your help! I can see that my client doesn't meet the notability requirements and I'll relay this information to her. I figured that those wiki-page writing services were a scam--I just figured I'd ask seeing as I don't think I have the experience to write her one. Thank you all again for being so helpful! I really appreciate it!! Pacificandcourt (talk) 18:12, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

I would like to remove page, about a person who working with, please tell me who

I would like to remove page, about a person who working with, please tell me how? this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamad_al-Arefe 102.189.112.148 (talk) 18:10, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

IP user, there is a guide to deletion here. The short, simple answer is that an article can be nominated for deletion, and after a week or so of discussion, a decision will be reached for or against inclusion (the actual processes involved are more complex, but I don't think it's necessary to go into all that). Just glancing at the article, I don't think a deletion nomination would get any traction. The subject seems notable and the article seems well sourced. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:18, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

IP editor, I see that you've been trying to remove a particular section - which is not very well sourced - from the article, and have been reverted. I'd recommend starting a discussion on the talk page, Talk:Mohamad al-Arefe, since I think a valid argument could be made for removing at least some of that material. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:46, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Help with our company wiki page

We just added our draft yesterday and got a message to remove it. How can we get some help MOAerp (talk) 18:37, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

@MOAerp: Welcome to the Teahouse. The message on your talk page states that the content used was both promotional and taken from somewhere else; as such, it has been deleted and will not be returned. Please understand that Wikipedia is not a promotional platform. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:43, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

@MOAerp, if you are employed by this company, you need to declare per WP:PAID. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:43, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Could use help assessing notability

Hello, full disclosure I am an employee of Agility Robotics, so I don't feel like I can be an objective/unbiased editor. Is there anyone who has a passion/interest in robotics who might want to evaluate if there is enough 3rd party validation to justify a page? I've laid out a sample of 3rd party coverage as the basis of my hypothesis (that it's notable enough). You can view that on my user talk page, I'd be happy to provide that background here as well if that's preferred. Another user seemed to think there was enough credible source material, and that starting a conversation in the Teahouse would be a way to possibly find objective editors who have an interest in robotics. Thank you for any wisdom you can provide. Keganator (talk) 18:52, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

@Keganator:, you might get some feedback at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Robotics. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 19:12, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Very good suggestion, thank you. Will do. Keganator (talk) 19:14, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Can i give myself every medal from a wikiproject without doing nothing

I really wanna do that to show that i am not new around here, thanks. LightGuess (talk) 19:04, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @LightGuess, welcome to the Teahouse. There is nothing stopping you from doing that, but it would certainly not have the effect you intend. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:08, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Can you? Yes. SHould you? No but there's no real punishment (Unless it's the only thing you do, then it could be seen as WP:NOTHERE). Will it show that you're not new? No. Users can still see the age of the account (whether it be with an enabled preference or via logs). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:10, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

LightGuess, to be frank, you are damaging your own credibility and making yourself look foolish. Is that what you really want? Cullen328 (talk) 19:16, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

no LightGuess (talk) 19:24, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

OP indefinitely blocked. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:49, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

When writing an edit summary, is there a way to stop the enter key generating a "Publish"?

On my laptop, the backspace key is just above the enter key. Too often, mid-way through writing an edit summary, I make a typo. Intending to backspace and correct, instead I've just hit the enter key mid-sentence and published an incoherent explanation. Of course it only happens when the topic is controversial. Or so it seems.

I can't see anything in Preferences that would change this default. Have I missed it? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 19:10, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, John Maynard Friedman. I am not aware of a technical fix, but you can always make a dummy edit with the correct edit summary. Cullen328 (talk) 19:37, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I've been doing that but it looks so incompetent that I had hoped for a Cunning Plan. Too bad, I didn't really expect an easy solution. Thanks for looking anyway. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 19:50, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

@John Maynard Friedman, when I know a long or complex edit summary is about to be required, my solution a la Baldrick is to type it out elsewhere (e.g. in a text editor) and then copy+paste. Maybe you can try something similar. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:56, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

@John Maynard Friedman, you could try to ask at WP:VPT (where the people with programming skills hang out) whether this could be addressed by a script or gadget or browser extension. —Kusma (talk) 19:58, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Hm, my default editor behavior is to not publish unless I hit ctrl+enter or cmd+return, depending on what OS I'm using. Not sure how that was set up on my end, I was under the impression this was the default setting for everyone. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 20:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi John Maynard Friedman! If you want this behavior, and are willing to try adjusting your common.js, I just tested adding some JS to my common.js (go to Special:Mypage/common.js and create it if it doesn't exist; make sure to heed the warning about copying and paste things in there, since it runs on every page.) and enter (feel free to edit/remove the line with the alert if you want it to be silent):

/* Disallow hitting "enter" in the edit summary box to actually submit. */
(function() {
	var submit_box = document.getElementById('wpSummary');
	if (submit_box) {
		submit_box.onkeypress = function(e) {
			if (e.charCode === 13) {
    			alert('Customized behavior; "enter" to publish turned off. Use "Publish" button to publish.');
    			e.preventDefault();
			}
		};
	}
})();

Skynxnex (talk) 20:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

My gratitude for all the generous replies. I will try tomorrow. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 21:49, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

What you're observing is actually standard behavior for any web form: hitting 'enter' in a text field is the same as submitting the form. Every browser I have ever used over the past 25 years works this way. I am so accustomed to this that I rely on it, and am annoyed when I have to reach over to the mouse to submit the form. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:46, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

how can i open mu mobile app wiki saved page to wiki web

how can i open mu mobile app wiki saved page to wiki web Hirenfchotaliya (talk) 20:03, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to The Teahouse. It's not clear what you are actually asking here, can you re-phrase or more fully explain your problem? Theroadislong (talk) 20:18, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello Hirenfchotaliya. I'm guessing that you are asking about access the "reading list" that you have created in the mobile app, from the web version. If that is the question, I'm afraid the answer is No, you can't, See the last sentence of m:Wikimedia Apps/Android FAQ#Reading lists and offline reading (that's for Android, but the same applies to the iOS app). ColinFine (talk) 21:16, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

new draft declined twice and follow-up

Dear TeaHouse:

I am still trying to figure out the approval process for a new article. Draft:Anna Frajlich. Two different editors declined my draft and provided their feedback, and then I also received another feedback from yet another, third editor. I followed all the advice and am trying to engage them in a conversation about how else I can improve the draft or have it approved. So far, no luck. Should I just resubmit it for the third time for a review? How many times can a draft be declined? Or is it until you find a sympathetic editor? In my opinion, this article has been substantiated with many valid, often peer-reviewed articles. It also contains a painstakingly collected references to emigre media which is hard to come by, unless you are a specialist in the field. One editor remarked that Frajlich's credentials as an educator are non substantial, but her notability is anchored in her being one of the most important living poets which has been substantiated above and beyond. I would really appreciate a friendly hand-holding here. Thank you!

MatrosMonk (talk) 20:53, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, MatrosMonk, and welcome to the Teahouse. I see that you have opened discussion at WP:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk#18:03:47, 16 September 2022 review of submission by MatrosMonk, but until this morning you didn't ping any other editors, so they probably didn't see it. You've now pinged DoubleGrazing, so they will probably see it, and may reply (or may not: we're all volunteers, who work when and on what we choose).

Where something was published is not an issue, but whether it was published by a reputable publisher is: I'm not sure what "the immigrant press" means in this regard.

One thing to remember is that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. Anything written or published by Frajlich, or based on her words (eg an interview) plays no role in establishing notability for Wikipedia's purposes.

Every source that contributes to notability (and hence, the majority of the sources in an article) should meet all three of the following criteria: reliably published, independent of the subject, and containing significant coverage of the subject. ColinFine (talk) 21:31, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Since the second Declined you have increased length by nearly 50% and doubled the number of references. If you think that each factual statment is referenced, then resubmit. David notMD (talk) 01:35, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

@David notMD:@MatroMonk: I wouldn't accept it yet. There is a lot of refspam in there. For example, I see four citations for one bibliography entry, not even citing any sort of statement, so it is unclear what the purpose or context of those citations is supposed to be. Many unnecessary citations make the draft look like an attempt to disguise non-notability. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:55, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Active users

On the List of Wikipedias page, do Wikipedia language editions with a higher number of active users regardless of the actual total size of the editions size (total article number wise), mean that the average articles themselves would on average be of higher quality in terms of information detail, etc? Hgh1985 (talk) 21:58, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Hgh1985, I would assume that a higher editor-per-article ratio would mean better content, but this could be different for some Wikipedias. Sungodtemple (talk) 22:02, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Edit description guidelines

I've read Help:Edit summary, WP:Edit summary legend, and WP: Editing policy. I've also read through the editing histories of a couple pages now. Tons of edits have no edit description. Is that acceptable?

There also seem to be edits where the summaries of the edits are disproportionately long for the content of the edit. What are the minimum acceptable edit summaries for ce? Is there a way to automate/semi-automate ce?

Also, is there a guide for editing practices? I have seen both instances of editors who make lots of changes in one edit, and editors who make one change per edit. The latter seems like the way to maximize # of edits. Is this just seen as editor preference? Are there arguments for one way or the other? Modern Methuselah (talk) 23:40, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

These are good questions. Edit summaries are matter of good etiquette. Yes, you should normally have one in each edit, yes, they should not be too long. Plenty to read here. As for your last question, well that kind of ties into the first two in a way. If you are making 10 different content edits in one go, then your edit summary will probably not be able to adequately describe each one. It's good to keep edits in small enough groups that you can summarize and justify them in a reasonable manner. When it becomes problematic is when an editor tries to hide controversial edits between a bunch of trivial ones, making it harder to restore a bad edit. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 23:46, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Modern Methuselah, and welcome! In addition to what Pyrrho the Skipper said, some editors use an automated process for certain kinds of repetitive edits, including some typo fixes, but not all; for instance, a group of volunteers called the Typo Team handles a lot of typos that have been found by an automated process. Hope this helps! Perfect4th (talk) 23:48, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

I'll add: Tons of edits having no edit summary isn't acceptable, but over the 20+ years Wikipedia has existed, the situation hasn't improved much. The length of the edit summary need not correspond to the size of the edit. As long as the edit summary conveys meaning about what was done, it's enough. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:49, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Modern Methuselah, although use of edit summaries is certainly a best practice and recommended to all editors, it is not mandatory. Summaries should be both concise and informative, and should not be argumentative. Debates about the content should take place on the article talk page, not in edit summaries. A single edit, in my opinion, should deal with a single matter, although it could be a fairly lengthy edit. Dealing with many different matters in a single edit makes it much more difficult for other editors to review the change. There is no benefit to editors who maximize the number of their edits. All experienced editors know that edit count is only the roughest measure of productivity, and what really matters are how useful the edits are, not how many of them there are. Cullen328 (talk) 00:49, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Automated tools are a better way to inflate edit count than making many small edits, for those who are interested in doing so for whatever reason I could never comprehend. I'm happy to say that I don't use such tools, so my edit count reflects my own edits, not edits by automation. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:49, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Translation Request

Hello. please if any of you are engaged in translations, kindly translate the list of pages below to French.

• https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Code_for_Africa_Climate_Change_Project/Programme
• https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Code_for_Africa_Climate_Change_Project/Participation
• https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Code_for_Africa_Climate_Change_Project/Trust_%26_Safety
• https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Code_for_Africa_Climate_Change_Project/Feedback

Thanks. Jwale2 (talk) 03:09, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

@Jwale2: don't request translations of meta pages here. instead, follow the instructions in meta:translation requests. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 03:37, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Reinstate Incorrect Page Name Change

Hi there. I represent my client called Trustpower. They discovered their Wikipedia page war renamed to a company they own. It needs to be re instated. How do I do this on their behalf? Here's the page in question - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manawa_Energy 103.227.15.2 (talk) 04:10, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi IP 103.227.15.2. Please try not to ask the same question on multiple Wikipedia noticeboards because doing so often leads to confusion and fragments the discussion. I will respond to your original question at WP:HD#Reinstate a page name change. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:27, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

About the Berklee Page as an Independent Reference/source for Roman Catholic Church Accompanist

• Berklee page

Hello @User:Cullen328

Actually it was intended for the Roman Catholic Church. (Draft:Roman_Catholic_Church_Accompanist)

As you can see in this external link of Berklee (Church Musician (also called Accompanist/Organist): https://www.berklee.edu/careers/roles/church-musician

you can find the description and image of the cross with Jesus Christ on it (a clear symbol of the Catholic Church with Jesus on the cross). It's intended for describing what a church accompanist/musician is.

I think it can be used as an independent reference for this draft. At other non-catholic churches, you cannot find Jesus on the cross.

Please double check the reference link Church Musician above. Your help would be much appreciated.

Thank you for your time and patience.

Please let me know.

Nativefreelancer (talk) 04:19, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Nativefreelancer, this is unacceptable for several reasons. First of all, images used to illustrate an article on a music college's website are in no way, shape or form reliable sources for any content on Wikipedia. Secondly, when I click that link, I do not see a crucifix. Third, even if I did, our article Crucifix correctly states that crucifixes are also used in the Eastern Orthodox Church, most Oriental Orthodox Churches (except the Armenian & Syriac Church), and the Eastern Catholic Churches, as well as by the Lutheran, Moravian and Anglican Churches, so your assertion that the crucifix is exclusive to the Roman Catholic Church is simply not accurate. Just search for "greek orthodox crucifix" on Google Images and see what you find. Cullen328 (talk) 07:19, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello@Cullen328

I understand your concerns. Yet, it looks like the Berklee College of Music has a Catholic presence for its students.

"We are also the Catholic presence for Berklee College of Music, and we welcome all Students, Faculty and Staff..."

Here's a page FYI:

https://www.newmanministry.com/colleges/berklee-college-of-music Nativefreelancer (talk) 08:54, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

About how to improve this draft/article

Hello @Duck

Thank you for helping me improving this draft: (Draft:Roman_Catholic_Church_Accompanist)

Do you think it makes sense now? I've added some description in the External Links: Church Musician and See Also sections for the Berklee page: Accompanist ("Accompanist". Berklee College of Music. Retrieved September 17, 2022) as an independent reference for this draft.

Please let me know how to improve this draft if any.

Thank you.

Nativefreelancer (talk) 05:19, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Template

Hi Teahouse,

I’m Afternoon Daydream. Please how can i generate the won and nominated templates? For example when adding awards and nominations in an article. Afternoon Daydream (talk) 06:50, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

@Afternoon Daydream: Welcome to the Teahouse! Sounds like you're referring to {{Won}} and {{Nom}}. Just place those in the corresponding chart row(s). See the template documentation for further details. ––FormalDude (talk) 07:12, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Precisely, thank you so much @FormalDude Afternoon Daydream (talk) 07:39, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Caylee Cowan

I improved this article by removing Inappropriate content and providing WP:RS. I couldn't move the draft to Caylee Cowan, because it needs administrator access. I moved to Caylee Cowan(actress). Another user, nominated the article for deletion and after 8 days they decided to Keep it. The user who closed the deletion discussion, noted that it should be a request to admins to fix the title of article by moving it to Caylee Cowan. Therefore I commented here to fixing the issue. Regards.Mehmet-mk2 (talk) 06:56, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi Mehmet-mk2, it looks like you'll need to make a request at WP:RFHM. ––FormalDude (talk) 07:09, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Feedback for my article

Hello everyone, after my first article draft was rejected, I incorporated all the feedback and further improved the draft step by step until I believe it is fully up to Wikipedia-standards now. I resubmitted it and would love to see it published this time. Is there anything else you believe I can improve in the article? And what is a realistic time frame until it is reviewed another time? I would appreciate any feedback, thanks in advance! Draft:Monika Schwarz-Friesel - Wikipedia DannyJach (talk) 09:01, 21 September 2022 (UTC)