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This page was proposed for deletion by CorporateM (talk · contribs) on 16 November 2014 with the comment:
No indication of notability and zero references makes the entire page unsourced original research, which BLP policies require be deleted promptly.

Why proposed for deletion?

This page has been proposed for deletion and I'm not sure why. I had two references linked to (and links to his official site and other work) when it says you only need one. Now they're gone, along with the entire article except for a few sentences. So all articles proposed for deletion are actually deleted first and then corrected? Davescribe22 (talk) 13:54, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Davescribe22: Looking at the edit summaries, a lot of the article was removed for not being sourced. Other material was removed because it was not referenced at the cited sources, so that's why the article is down to what's left. —C.Fred (talk) 14:54, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Further, the deletion is not a "normal" proposed deletion; it's WP:BLPPROD. Any biography of a living person that lacks a reliable source is subject for deletion, and it may be tagged for prod/blp repeatedly. —C.Fred (talk) 14:56, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

But what's left isn't sourced either. Someone else added that he was born in 1965, but there's no citation for that. Nor is there proof that he's a writer or a blogger or American, for that matter. So I'm not sure about the consistency here.

Is there a way to get back all of the stuff that was deleted so I can tweak the page and add references, etc? (I did link to one source that wasn't his page and it's still up - I thought one reliable source is all that is needed??). Davescribe22 (talk) 15:00, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Davescribe22: It's in the page history. —C.Fred (talk) 15:01, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Taking a look at the last version before it was pared down, the one independent source does not mention Sassone directly. It mentions layoffs at AOL.[1] Given that there's no source verifying that Sassone had been an employee of AOL at the time of the layoffs, the source appears to have been legitimately removed. —C.Fred (talk) 15:03, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is also a link to his column at the Saturday Evening Post, which I thought would suffice. As for the AOL thing, I don't know if any of the people laid off were mentioned in articles. I could probably find something at his site or LinkedIn page that says he worked there, but those wouldn't be reliable sources because they're his own sites, I'm assuming? Davescribe22 (talk) 15:07, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Davescribe22: Right. At this point, what's really needed are secondary sources: coverage that is written by a party unrelated to Sassone or his (former) employers. —C.Fred (talk) 15:08, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So I have to find sources, beyond his official site and his employer, that say he was employed by AOL? And that he's American? And that he was born in 1965? I don't think most bios on Wikipedia sites have all that, heh. Davescribe22 (talk) 15:11, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Davescribe22: We might accept a self-published source for the date of birth, if there are no contradicting sources. That's why I checked his website before removing it. Since it's not mentioned, and since I couldn't find any stories about him in the first five pages of Google hits, I deleted that bit of info. —C.Fred (talk) 15:14, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And good point about the year of birth. I've removed that per WP:BLP. —C.Fred (talk) 15:07, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Draft: space suggested. I can move the article into draft space and restore it back to its prior form; draft space gives a little more latitude in sourcing requirements while you work on the article. That will also forestall a second deletion of the article—since right now, it's just about eligible for speedy deletion. @Davescribe22: Does that seem like a good course of action to you? —C.Fred (talk) 15:15, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That would be great. That way I won't have to redo everything. Thanks for the help! Davescribe22 (talk) 15:16, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done @Davescribe22: Your text can now be found at Draft:Bob Sassone. You'll notice a lot of {{citation needed}} tags. —C.Fred (talk) 15:24, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I'll work on it. I think after all this and correcting this page I'll be a Wikipedia expert. :) Davescribe22 (talk) 15:32, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

*:::I added the code to move the draft to the article space but now it says it might take up to four months, heh. Davescribe22 (talk) 17:57, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure how to access the article in draft mode since the page is no longer available. Davescribe22 (talk) 15:23, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey. I've fixed the article and hit "publish" but I'm not sure how to take it out of draft. Davescribe22 (talk) 17:19, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Davescribe22: If you hadn't unsubmitted it, I would have declined it, because it's not ready. There aren't independent sources. —C.Fred (talk) 18:31, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure what you mean. I do link to his site a few times because that's the only source for those things, but I also link to The Saturday Evening Post, the National Society of Columnists, an AOL archive, and the sites he writes for. Several links and I thought I only needed one or two? Davescribe22 (talk) 18:35, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Davescribe22: You linked to things he has written for them. The sources need to be independent of Sassone: not his employer, not a work that has published him, and absolutely not his works. —C.Fred (talk) 18:36, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh well, I tried. Those links are proof that he works at those places and I have other citations too. But if you want to delete the page that's up to you. I've already worked enough on this. It's not like I know the guy, heh. It would be great if the page could stay up and me and others could edit it, but that's up to you (or you and others - not sure how the deletion process works). Thanks for the help. Davescribe22 (talk) 18:47, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Davescribe22: There needs to be stuff written about him in reliable, independent sources. This will establish notability. Please see WP:BIO. Magnolia677 (talk) 20:33, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

He really doesn't have much written about him, like interviews or articles, not that I can find anyway. Just the links I provided to all of the work he has done, organizations he belongs to, his official site, and all that. (And I see a lot of pages about writers that have this same type of info and those pages are still up.) I guess if that's not good enough this should be deleted (or left up so others can edit the page if they find more info). I don't think it should be deleted, but I'm not the decision-maker, heh. Davescribe22 (talk) 21:28, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've added reference links to an interview he did and also a couple of other links. That's all I can do at this point if his work and history doesn't speak for itself, heh. Davescribe22 (talk) 14:55, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]