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Introduction

Hello! This is the best place to contact me on this site. Drop me a line and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. You might notice that this page is a lot more blank than it was before. I just archived the last six years of discussion. --Sunshineisles2 (talk) 15:57, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

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@Dennis Bratland: Um... OK, thanks? I am aware of edit summaries, and I use them quite frequently. I thought I left a summary on the Roper edit, but for some reason it didn't show, if that's what you're all worked up about.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 23:07, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

All worked up? What are you referring to? --Dennis Bratland (talk) 23:26, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

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I became aware of this resolution only after leaving the note. Thanks for letting me know anyway. --Sunshineisles2 (talk) 05:02, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

I'm glad we're on the same page. Cheers! bd2412 T 21:22, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

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Edit warrior Sleyece

Sleyece is edit warring like crazy at Edith Wilson. Do you think we ought to report him to WP: Administrator's noticeboard/Edit warring? I dislike doing that kind of thing but this guy's getting to be a royal pain. Motsebboh (talk) 20:50, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

@Motsebboh:I was going to say no, but considering the fact that Sleyece actually just came on my page and deleted your message in an attempt to prevent me from seeing it, that may be an option to keep on the table in the near future. --Sunshineisles2 (talk) 22:16, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

I notice he just came off a suspension for edit warring. He seems to have a habit of erasing stuff he doesn't like, whether it's on an article, his own talk page, or someone else's. Motsebboh (talk) 22:20, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Oh, he has a history of this? Interesting. Yeah, I've stepped back from the Wilson page, because I don't like to waste my time on petty internet fights, but you're right in saying that this is definitely getting ridiculous. --Sunshineisles2 (talk) 22:22, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes, and there are other odd things too. such as him Thanking me for an edit that he then erases, and making edit comments that his are OFFICIAL EDITS, not to be undone. Motsebboh (talk) 23:11, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

That is incredibly peculiar. I think we definitely should consider launching some kind of action.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 23:27, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for starting the action. I'll add something before the day is out I'm sure. Motsebboh (talk) 16:40, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Stop spamming reports and ganging up on me. This is nonsense. I made one edit, and you are abusing the report system. -- Sleyece (talk) 12:10, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Dude, you literally just attempted to pre-emptively abort a discussion by flat-out deleting the complaint lodged on the admin edit-war board. You really don't have room to talk about "abusing the report system." Every page has an edit history, and it's public knowledge who edited what page, when they did it, and what they did. One can also restore any old edit. --Sunshineisles2 (talk) 17:13, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

STOP. You have been counter-reported. Please stop harassment. I feel abused by you --User:Sleyece (talk) 12:29, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

I am aware of your so-called "counter-report," and will freely participate in any deliberation that may come in the process. --Sunshineisles2 (talk) 17:34, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

As co-conspirator in abuse and harassment Motsebboh has also been reported. I don't feel safe making "bold" edits." --Sleyece (talk) 13:26, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Any complaints you file against another user should be handled among you, them, and the admins which preside over the case. I'm not sure what else you want me to do here.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 18:28, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

You are involved. I also posted on the other user's page. The two of you are plotting against me, I harassing me. STOP. I feel unsafe. --Sleyece (talk) 13:36, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

I'm sorry you feel that way. But I'm not sure what else to tell you at this stage.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 18:38, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

That was weird. You were admirably restrained in dealing with this poor guy. I see that he was doing the same stuff at Dick Cheney and has been understandably bounced out. Motsebboh (talk) 00:05, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

It was definitely one of the most peculiar interactions that I've had in the ~7 years I've been a user on this site. In any case, it looks like it's over now. Thanks for your assistance, and the compliment. Hope to see you around! --Sunshineisles2 (talk) 00:19, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Film#"Lists" vs. prose about lists

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Film#"Lists" vs. prose about lists. Pyxis Solitary (talk) 11:13, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
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Your change to United States Secretary of Defense

Hello Sunshineisles2,

I am new to talk pages so please let me know if this is the right place for this kind of commentary and discussion.

Sec. Mattis was sworn in on January 28, 2017. So why should that not be the date he was sworn in on the Wikipedia page?

I understand he was nominated earlier but he did not get sworn in until the 28th which means he was not Secretary until the 28th, to my understanding. Can you please share why you believe this is not true?

Thank you,

To4evr To4evr (talk) 03:29, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

@To4evr: I'm not quite sure about that procedure, but this WaPo article states that Mattis was sworn in by Pence on January 20, shortly after his Senate confirmation. --Sunshineisles2 (talk) 03:34, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

@Sunshineisles2: Thank you for that source. Do you think it is necessary to include that source in the article to get rid of any confusion? As well, do you know what event happened today? Since I thought he was sworn in today (Jan 28). To4evr (talk) 03:39, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

@To4evr: I don't know what happened today, I'm afraid. Perhaps some kind of ceremonial thing. However, the WP reference is already in the article, and that's where I found it.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 03:53, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

@Sunshineisles2: Thank you for clarifying. Keep up your good work! To4evr (talk) 04:22, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

@To4evr: Thanks, same to you! --Sunshineisles2 (talk) 04:23, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Twinkle

Is that what it's designed for - reverting "good faith" edits? Really? FFS. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 07:42, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Yeah? It says “ROLLBACK: AGF” as a distinctly separate category. It retrospectively wasn’t an entirely necessary edit, but my methodology was sound. What’s your point? —Sunshineisles2 (talk) 14:03, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

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Edit Timothée Chalamet

I understand the guidelines. You should do the same then, to fellow Columbia alumni, Jake Gyllenhaal. That alma mater never goes away, and he never graduated either.

It's another page, and if it's been decided to be as such, then there's no reason for it not to be there. If you think Chalamet's infobox should be treated the same way, then you can have that discussion on his article's talk page. --Sunshineisles2 (talk) 19:51, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

January 2018

Please do not add unreferenced or poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about living (or recently deceased) persons, as you did to Jessica Falkholt. We must have a source before reporting on someone's death. It cannot simply be added. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:09, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Couldn't add as much as I could have, I was on mobile at the time. I learned of the news from a news.com.au ref on the recent death article, so that should be added, yes. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 01:11, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

No problem: someone has just added a link so it's in there. Just for future reference remember never to comment on the recent death of someone unless you can cite it to a reliable source in the edit you add the information. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:17, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

I'll give your comments and suggestions the consideration they do merit, but frankly, in almost 10 years of editing, I can't recall ever having edited in information about a death on an article where there wasn't already a source, so considering the speed with which these things occur, I find the likelihood if this happening regularly to be unlikely. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 01:21, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Living former governors

What is the utility of this section? --Golbez (talk) 17:05, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

@Golbez: If you take issue with the utility of a living former governor subsection, then you'd have to remove it off the governor list for just about all 50 states. It's a simple way to contextualize the history of the office: objective, easy to maintain, and easily accessible. --Sunshineisles2 (talk) 21:12, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

As a matter of fact, I am, methodically, preferably as each goes through FL. See Alabama, Arkansas, etc. I am exceedingly familiar and involved with these articles. And I don't know if it contextualizes anything, one state having 6 alive is no different from another having 1, etc. For that slim number of people who need to know, the info is extremely easy to synthesize. --Golbez (talk) 03:53, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

OK, thanks for sharing your views and your actions. I don't know why you felt I needed to know your credentials on these articles before specifying your position, but in any case, thanks for stopping by! I would go around and try to seek a concrete consensus on removing the lists before adjusting 50 articles, just to avoid any headaches down the line, but if it is as uncontroversial as you say, then probably not. (It does seem that similar lists exist on the pages for most, if not all, 435 congressional districts, which means that at some point, a significant number of editors had to consider them good ideas.)--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 04:05, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Because it felt like you were talking down to me - instead of answering the question about the utility, you implied that it didn't matter, that it didn't need justification if it's already on articles. I apologize for being snippy.

As for your statement that "most, if not all" have them, I threw in a few random ones. CO 2: List last touched in 2015. IA 2: Last touched in 2015. VA 9: No list. MN 1: No list. TX 15: no list. DE AL: Last touched in Jan 2017. HI 2: No list. So ... unless this random sampling is unexpectedly non-representational, it doesn't seem in fact that a "significant number" of editors considered them good ideas, or even considered them at all. And a lot can change in article preferences in a few years. Finally, those aren't governor lists. They're done in a completely different way, so it's not the most useful to equate them. --Golbez (talk) 04:59, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Once again, I don't know what you want me to do about this, but I apologize if I came off as dismissive. I think we've strayed far enough away from the subject at hand here that this conversation is effectively exhausted, anyway. Thanks again! --Sunshineisles2 (talk) 05:11, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Sunshineisles2

Hello, I'm User:Reehdelrey, I saw that you deleted content from the Matt Bomer page, I wanted to know why? I've been working on this page for some time. It has no unreliable source. And if the problem is the grammar you could try to arrange not to delete the content. Reehdelrey (talk) 18:00, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

@Reehdelrey: Hello. My concern when streamlining the section was that some of the content, particularly pertaining to Bomer's high school education/early theater experience, was redundant (i.e. a picture of his high school and at least two textual mentions of it). Additionally, some factoids, like the claim of his and Justin Timberlake's common ancestor, were sourced from the IMDb, which, according to WP:CITEIMDB, is not an appropriate use of the website. If such information cannot be reliably sourced, WP:BLP policy is very unambiguous that such information must be removed immediately. (Like Wikipedia, information on the IMDb is user-maintained and subject to constant change, which means it is not appropriate for inclusion here.) I hope that answers some of your concerns! --Sunshineisles2 (talk) 18:15, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

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April 2022

Your edit on smith-rock incident and the sentence: "Audience members and television viewers were shocked by the slapping incident and some wondered if the event had been a publicity stunt. The uncensored video footage...". The reference to "uncensored video" in the sentence after the one you just reverted does not make sense without the comment on the muted audio which I had added. Do you have a fix which works to explain the reference to "uncensored video" in the lead section. ErnestKrause (talk) 18:54, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Please see the current revision of the page. I have added context. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 18:54, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

2022 Elections Task Force

Hi Sunshineisles2,

I'm looking at starting a task force of Wikipedia editors to work on the pages of candidates up for election in 2022. Many congressional member pages have very few votes or political positions (for example, compare Michelle Steel and Steve Chabot against Nicole Malliotakis), and so I think it would be a great resource for us to flesh out a lot of these pages ahead of the election to better support people who come to Wikipedia for information before they vote.

I see you've been active on a couple of congressperson pages recently so thought you might be interested. If you are, please message me on my talk page. Once I have a couple of interested editors I will work on building a task force page so we can coordinate our work. No worries at all if you're not interested or too busy. Thanks for everything you do for the Wikipedia communtiy!

Wildfire35 (talk) 23:01, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

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ITN recognition for Jim Ryan (politician)

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Regards

Hi Sunshineisles2, I just wanted to say thanks for the editorial work you do on recent deaths pages. You do a great job. I'd say more, but I'm too far into this bottle of wine.;-) Regards, Carlstak (talk) 02:37, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind words. I never consciously gravitated towards those but I guess I do. It can feel morbid sometimes, but articles do tend to get a big surge in page views if they're about someone who just died, so I figure it's important to make sure the articles are in good shape and well-sourced. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 15:52, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Same here, and I completely agree with the sentiments; I've had the very same thoughts. Carlstak (talk) 17:43, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

It is most definitely a noble calling and I would argue a sign of respect, making sure that articles that are bound to get an influx of page views are kept up to date. In reading this, I am reminded of this article by Stephenbharrison; it isn't a complete match but it is the same topic. TheSandDoctor ^Talk 19:08, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

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