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More please on that memorial prompted by Ripley caption (re section Post-Mortem)

Robert Ripley had drawn a picture of Boatswain's grave with the caption "Lord Byron's dog has a magnificent tomb while Lord Byron himself has none". This came as a shock to the English, particularly schoolchildren, who, Ripley said, raised funds of their own accord to provide the poet with a suitable memorial.

This could do with a year and a location of that memorial to Byron being stated. Ripley lived 1890-1949 and the caption was in a series of 'Believe It or Not' published in 1950. I am not sure if Ripley was unaware of the gravestone in Hucknall Church presented by the King of Greece, and the statue unveiled in 1880 in Hyde Park Corner, London, whose plinth was a gift of the Greek Government.Cloptonson (talk) 17:26, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Laying in state"

In Britain, "lying in state" takes place only in Westminster Hall. A public viewing in any other location is "lying in repose." --Kent G. Budge (talk) 15:15, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Noel

We say:

He obtained a Royal Warrant, allowing him to "take and use the surname of Noel only" and to "subscribe the said surname of Noel before all titles of honour".

From that point onwards it would seem that he was no longer George Gordon Byron, 6th Baron Byron, but George Gordon Noel, 6th Baron Byron.

Why is this not reflected in the lede and infobox? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 03:02, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lord Byron's national identity

Lord Byron being described simply as "English" is not accurate but is rather a clumsy over-simplification of his complex national identity.

He himself identified as at least partly Scottish, saying he was "half a Scot by birth, and bred/A whole one". In this, he vocally identified as a Scot. He was educated for a time at Aberdeen Grammar School and reportedly had a Scottish accent (albeit a faint one) throughout his life.

The Gordons were of course a family with strong links to the north-east of Scotland (a branch of the Gordons held the Earldom of Huntly in north-east Scotland), and Byron corresponded with Aberdeenshire kin and relations all his life. He clearly had a Scottish component to his identity, as evidenced by his wearing tartan in his Greek campaign, visibly identifying with the (not that old) Scottish Highland martial tradition. He was also referred to by others as a Scot at the time, most famously by his lover Lady Caroline Lamb and by his first biographer Sir Cosmo Gordon.

Scotland was also the subject of many of his poems, most notably "Lachin Y. Gaer".

He was, at least partially, Scottish in his identity.

For more evidence, see: Murray Pittock, "Scotland: The Global History, 1603 to the Present" (2022). Scottymacd (talk) 16:23, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

'Anglo-Scottish' is a rather tortured and convoluted when 'British' quite clearly covers both those bases. Not that the point isn't interesting or worthy of mention/clarifying. I suggest the material on his sympathies lying more with a Scottish identity than an English one, assuming it can be supported by reliable sources, be placed somewhere in the actual article itself. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:14, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"British" is a loaded term, full of 20th century assumptions and connotations; the term "Anglo-Scottish" was carefully chosen as a consequence to reflect an early nineteenth century cultural reality, however tortured some people may find it.

I will update the article; notwithstanding a prevailing Anglocentric ignorance in some quarters, there is a wealth of reliable sources - however overlooked in English historiography - indicating Lord Byron had a very complex national identity. Scottymacd (talk) 07:29, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

'British' is a less loaded term than 'Anglo-Scottish', pertaining as it simply does to a provenance in the British Isles rather than a specific 'national' narrative. Iskandar323 (talk) 10:12, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Complicating things, regardless of his upbringing/identity, is his hereditary English peerage, as, regardless of anything else, he was an 'English' peer. Iskandar323 (talk) 10:32, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"English Bards and Scottish Reviewers"? He evidently identified himself as English. Walrasiad (talk) 10:54, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Scottymacd, English Baroque: you are edit warring here, which is disruptive. Any further reverts without talk page consensus may result in blocks. You need to come to a consensus on how best to describe the subject before making changes to the page. If you aren't already familiar with it, please read WP:UKNATIONALS, which discusses how we refer to people like this. Also pinging Iskandar323 and Walrasiad, who have commented above. Girth Summit _(blether) 13:33, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]