Wikipedia talk:No Confederates

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Sundostund (talk) 05:13, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Andre🚐 21:56, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is covered by WP:NONAZIS but I still endorse it Loki (talk) 04:28, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ibid. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 14:43, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Non-Endorsers

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I can't get behind this. WP:NONAZIS is pretty clear-cut in that the very existence of Nazism is predicated upon massacre and slaughter. I'm also not a fan of this phrase: This does not mean that supporters of the Confederacy during the American Civil War were necessarily defending the principle of slavery, any more than Germans who fought in the Wehrmacht in World War II were supporting Nazism. This invokes the clean Wehrmacht myth by implying the German rank-and-file who served in the war were merely fellow travelers, when in fact the majority of them were just as equally perpetrators of genocide just as much as the SS. The people who lied at the Nuremberg Trials, that they were just following orders, knew damn well what was going on. So NONAZIS is extremely unequivocal. This here is not such a clear-cut issue; the support of Confederates and Confederate heritage in the United States is far more complicated than that. I do think that many of those who support this ideology tend to be misled as to the meaning of their symbols, but at that point, the worst thing they have done is display ignorance. I think they have a right to be able to display userboxes on their user page just as much as anyone else who displays political userboxes. The handful of users who show up at WP:MFD to hunt down these symbols cannot and should not be the arbiter of what opinions are valid and allowed to be displayed, much less who is allowed to participate in editing Wikipedia. If there are those that step out of line, we address each issue as it comes about. --🌈WaltCip-(talk) 15:00, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What an editor believes is irrelevant, as long as they're not trying to push it into articles or promote it on talkpages. GoodDay (talk) 22:43, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely not. Displaying the confederacy in a positive light is wrong, but I don't think it should warrant a block. While all Southern racists fly the confederate flag, not all people who fly the flag are racist. I don't think we should block people for being misinformed. Scorpions13256 (talk) 11:51, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We don't need this garbage. It is acceptable to be a Confederate and will always be, just like there are Communists and Socialists, and many other leftist ideologies which are present in Wikipedia.--Madame Necker (talk) 19:03, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]