Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wickchoupai, Arizona (2nd nomination)

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The result was redirect to Tohono Oʼodham Indian Reservation. Redirect as ATD. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:51, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wickchoupai, Arizona

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Renominating Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wickchoupai, Arizona. There is no basis for the claim of a notable populated place at this location, and my BEFORE search did not return any evidence of such. –dlthewave ☎ 20:03, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Arizona. –dlthewave ☎ 20:03, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Tohono Oʼodham Indian Reservation, where this former community is (with mention there). Wickchoupai was a former village or pueblo of the Pueblo people of southern Arizona, now known as the Tohono Oʼodham. I don't believe anyone lives there now, but it was listed as a native pueblo in a 1934 Supreme Court case and had previously been the subject of some 1920s archaeological investigations. This former native site has been noted in historic (White people) documents, but the published references in the English-speaking world don't amount to much, and the Tohono O'odham are an oral people. There isn't enough to write a stand-alone article, likely due in part to Eurocentric attitudes in the early 20th Century, but redirects are cheap, and the Wikipedia reader deserves to know this place once existed. Firsfron of Ronchester 00:19, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - meets GEOLAND, was a recognized place, see this, this.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:26, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom; initial nomination was with valid grounds, not a mere "bad faith harassment".~Pog ing Juan 12:44, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - the prior nom was bad faith harrasment by the editor directly above, and the editor was admonished for it. Their lack of understanding is problematic.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 19:19, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:17, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Tohono Oʼodham Indian Reservation or Delete. I'm fairly certain that being mentioned in a database like FIPS does not make this locale legally recognized, for discussion, see Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tunnel_Inn,_California, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wa-Will-Away Park, Indiana, Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Shaniko_Junction,_Oregon. I don't think #1 of WP:GEOLAND (Populated, legally recognized places) is met. We could debate FIPS over at Wikipedia talk:Notability (geographic features). [1] is a trivial mention. "non-trivial coverage by their name in multiple, independent reliable sources" of WP:GEOLAND #2 (Populated places without legal recognition) is not met. I've run in to the issue of notability surrounding Indigenous Peoples places, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Astakiwi, California. In general, there is a conflict between Wikipedia's use of WP:RS and oral traditions. Cxbrx (talk) 03:00, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for now as there is no mention in the reservation article. No objection to a redirect if/when that article is updated to discuss this and probably dozens of others. MB 19:35, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I changed my vote to redirect or delete. Cxbrx (talk) 01:38, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.