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Warren Beatty, Shirley MacLaine and A. A. MacLeod

Both the articles Warren Beatty and Shirley MacLaine mention their uncle A. A. MacLeod but while the Beatty article has "Canadian politician" the MacLaine article has "a Communist member of the Ontario legislature in the 1940s". I'm wondering if the details should be added to the former or deleted from the latter. While neither article mentions MacLeod again his includes "Both Beatty and MacLaine have referred to the MacLeods as a major influence on their own liberal political philosophy. One of Beatty's biographers has commented that his aunt and uncle were "the private inspiration" behind his portrait of Louise Bryant and John Reed in his 1981 film Reds." so perhaps both should.

Incidentally, the MacLaine article refers to MacLeod as "her mother's brother-in-law" while the Beatty article has "uncle by marriage". MacLeod's article describes his wife as the sister of their mother. Mcljlm (talk) 18:54, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

@Mcljlm I think that this is a case where the wikilinks really help. Anyone reading the articles can navigate to the MacLeod article or just hover-over the link to get the first sentence of his article, which gives the full information. If you are convinced something needs to be changed, you can just be WP:BOLD and do it, or use the Talk Page of the respective articles to discuss your suggestion. There will be lots of watchers for these high-traffic articles. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:16, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm convinced something needs changing but not sure which or whether to add to both, which is why I posted here. Mcljlm (talk) 00:33, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

I don't believe that the two actors' articles referring to the same aspects of their lives is problematic. A member of a legislature in Ontario is indisputably a Canadian politician, as Ontario is in Canada and a legislature is the forum in which politicians enact legislation. Both are true. The brother-in-law of one's mother is an uncle, the relationship to which is established through the mother's own marriage, and is therefore an uncle, but not of direct blood, rather "by marriage". Both are equivalent to each other. Likewise if your mother's sister (it must be a sister) marries a man, that man is your uncle by marriage (the sister remains a full blood aunt) as well as being your mother's own brother-in-law and, conversely, your the brother-in-law himself has a wife, the original sister, who is the sister of the two subjects' own mother, i.e. Beatty's and MacLaine's mother. It all makes logical sense. The merit of not amending such texts to be seemingly formulaic is (a) it doesn't actually need doing; (b) it lends credence to the "individual contributors" idea that is (c) core to the WP project. Jeepvee (talk) 22:03, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

through the mother's own marriage -> should read "through the mother's sister's own marriage" Jeepvee (talk) 22:04, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

I wondered if both should mention he's a Communist member or neither. It seems strange that one does but not the other. Equally with the actors' relationship to him, it's as if they're intentionally different just for the sake of it. Even though articles are the products of different people those on very similar subjects shouldn't be be so different in describing specific details. Mcljlm (talk) 08:36, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Page number in a pdf of a journal

Hello Teahouse, I've tried finding the answer to this question but had no luck so I'm bringing it here. Is there a preference or a guideline to what page number I should use when referencing a pdf of a scholarly journal? As a specific example, I am trying to reference The Florida Historical Quarterly (direct link: http://palmm.digital.flvc.org/islandora/object/ucf%3A22393). The page I am referencing is "page" 25 of the pdf but page 345 of the journal. Which is correct? Thank you! Amscheip (talk) 00:31, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Amscheip, I would say, from common sense, 345. Anyone who has a copy of the journal will be able to look up 345, but only people with the pdf can look up 25. Sungodtemple (talk) 00:42, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

@Sungodtemple That makes total sense, thank you! Amscheip (talk) 04:04, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

I would go further than Sungodtemple. The essential part of a citation is information that will allow a reader first to evaluate whether it is likely to be worth looking at, and secondly to find the source if they wish to. A link to an online source is a convenience for the reader, not an essential part of the citation. It follows that the original page number is part of the reference, and the page number in the PDF is not. ColinFine (talk) 11:22, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

@ColinFine thank you as well for the input and guidance. Amscheip (talk) 21:47, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Expansion

I would like to expand pages as wikipedia practice, but there are no guides i could find. Could someone link to a guide to help me expand stub articles? _{56independent/notacoworcat}^Talk 19:08, 8 November 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 56independent (talk • contribs)

Hello 56independent. I don't know of any link regarding expanding stub articles, but when I do so I follow the same rules as when creating a new article, as outlined in Help:Your first article. New information has to come from reliable sources, and be presented in a neutral style. Help:Referencing for beginners and Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources may be of help when collecting good reference sources needed for the expansion. I also find it helpful to read numerous good Wikipedia articles about similar topics, to get a better idea of what is generally included in such articles. I hope this is of help to you. Karenthewriter (talk) 17:31, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Ah, thanks! _{56independent/notacoworcat}^Talk 07:47, 10 November 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 56independent (talk • contribs)

Why is Audrey.m.horn so rude?

He deleted my work! 😡😡😩 Scarlett7910 (talk) 04:40, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Do you want to delete this section now and issue a mea culpa, or get blocked for your behaviour? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 04:45, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) your edits on Audrey's page is certainly pot calling kettle black, without looking into the user interaction between the both of you yet. – robertsky (talk) 04:47, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

You blanked their userpage, which is generally off-limits, then personally attacked them ("Fuck you fat bitch") without a second thought (if you bothered to give more of a glance at the edit history, you'd see that another user actually deleted the majority of your work). They listed the reasons in their edit summaries. I understand the frustration with your work being deleted, but WP:AGF - attacking other editors and putting them down isn't allowed here, especially with a response as vehement as yours. Continuing that behavior is sure to get you blocked.

Additionally, this line on your userpage ("Who i hate on wiki is Audrey.m.horn") reminds me of other people's userpages when I edited FANDOM, rigorously listing their on-wiki relationships and who they're friends with and hate. Wikipedia isn't FANDOM. Don't be reckless with your edits. You also have to provide references for info you add, not original research. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 04:51, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@Scarlett7910 It appears you've blanked his userpage... again. To be on Wikipedia, you need to have a certain level of maturity, and not childishly retaliate every time you get angry at somebody. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 05:05, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@Scarlett7910 Digging further into yours and @Audrey.m.horn's edit history, your anger seems misplaced. Audrey did not remove all of your work. The editor who reverted your work was @DanCherek at Far Eastern curlew, who stated that "revert to remove unattributed copying from https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/threatenedspeciesapp/profile.aspx?id=20284 and https://www.dcceew.gov.au/sites/default/files/env/pages/ef45109a-9c9f-461f-a821-a3d78a2af8dd/files/eastern-curlew-consultation.pdf; regardless of licensing, it's not okay to just copy huge PDFs into articles with no formatting or citations". Dan later stated that "decline revdel, sources are licensed under CC BY 4.0, though restoration of any copied text would require explicitly acknowledging the copying". – robertsky (talk) 04:57, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Every article addition you have made have been reverted (by several editors), and you are on the verge of being indefinitely blocked, per reasons given on your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 05:09, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@Scarlett7910: Additionally, Dan had also left you a templated warning about source attribution on your talk page. Moving foward, what you should do are:

1. Apologise to Audrey for this outburst. Don't take it out on Dan as well, it will be unnecessary and will likely result in an almost immediate block on you.
2. Take a break. Come back later when you have cooled down. All is not lost yet.
3. If you are still interested in having those texts be incorporated into the article, follow Dan's suggestions and do the appropriate formatting and citations.

The above are friendly suggestions. It is up to you to take it up. And oh, do not assume Audrey's gender, or anyone's. If you do not know the other editor's gender, just refer to the editor as 'they' to be safe. (With the benefit of an userscript that draws out editor's preferred pronouns via API, Audrey is 'she'.) – robertsky (talk) 05:16, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

wow, what a mess... I didn't even realize all this was happening, lol. sorry you took my reversion personally @Scarlett7910, I was just maintaining the page. Audrey.m.horn (talk) 05:22, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Anyone will ce, clean-up these articles?

Hi, some random editor is removing entire sections of the articles without disscusing on talk page. I tried to talk him, but by his editing hist, its looks like he just undo peoples edits by Twinkle. The editor name is User: MrOllie The article I want your clean-up, ce are - Surrogate advertising, Fantacy sport, Professional wrestling in India and Sport in IndiaRock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 11:59, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@Rock Stone Gold Castle Hello, I haven’t actually had a look, but I would suggest starting a discussion with them, there could be good reasoning for removing the content in question, but if not, you could always seek help from an administrator? Removing content without consensus or good reason is not ideal, but then again, I don’t know the specifics. Blanchey (talk) 12:38, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Mr. Ollie left an explanation for deletion at Talk:Fantasy sport. You and Mr. O are on the verge of edit warring on Surrogate advertising. Mr. O has no edits on the other two. Proper places to dispute are the Talk pages of the articles in question. David notMD (talk) 13:01, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@David notMD:, Hi, I already asked him to discuss on TPs but he just undo whatever he sees. I saw his hist, he don't add anything or do ce but just revert. I told him tell me whatever improvements you want in my edits but, if i reduced para size will satisfy you but he says don't add anything, no need to write. If you discourage others like this who will be wp grow? Will anyone tell him to be tolerant?Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 07:42, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Help with a simple tool for Coordinated Edits

Hi, can any one support or help me with a simple tool that I can use to monitor, coordinated edits for these two campaigns.
1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Code_for_Africa_Climate_Change_Project
2. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kenya_Elections_Hate_Speech/Misinformation_Prevention

I will be grateful if I could get a tool for coordinated edits, Thanks. Jwale2 (talk) 19:04, 9 November 2022 (UTC)`

hey,leave me a message on my talk page,i would like to work with you on this. ItsMeKeys (talk) 21:17, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Myles Moylan

•  Courtesy link: Myles Moylan

I want to add a Findagrave link to Myles Moylan's page to support my claim that he was born in Tuam, Co Galway. I know that Findagrave is not usually acceptable but I have connected Myles to his parents (who were married and buried in Tuam)and three brothers. I have attached records and newspaper cuttings which make it difficult to believe that he could have been born in America. I know that anyone researching Myles will find the Findgrave page but I would like to have it on his wiki page. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/5929202/myles-moylan ∼∼∼∼ BuffyO'B (talk) 20:54, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @BuffyO'B, welcome to the Teahouse. It seems you already know that Find a Grave is not a reliable source; unfortunately, no amount of original research on your part will be able to change that. However, adding an external link to it at the end of an article is sometimes allowed - see here. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:03, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for that information. I have had many arguments about Myles Moylan's birthplace and I won't pretend to understand why a newspaper article or an article in an historical journal isn't enough to prove a point. I understand that's the way it is with wiki and that won't change. I'd like to put in an external link to direct researchers to the information I have uploaded onto Findagrave. Where would I put the external link? In references? ∼∼∼∼ BuffyO'B (talk) 21:33, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@BuffyO'B, external links go in their own dedicated section, usually at the very end of the article. See 7th Cavalry Regiment for an example (also, here is the actual guideline on it). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:37, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I have figured out how to add an External Link. Am I allowed to add itto Myles Moylan's page? ∼∼∼∼ BuffyO'B (talk) 22:10, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

That's an interesting question, @BuffyO'B. You're certainly able to. If you genuinely think it meets the rules laid out for external links (or if you're convinced it would improve Wikipedia and want to ignore all rules), you should be able to add it without fear of serious consequences. But it's always possible that someone may disagree and revert your addition. In that case, discussion should follow. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:21, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

When I started researching Myles Moylan I would have been delighted to have been presented with the documents that I have uploaded to Findagrave but if the documents/newspaper articles are not acceptable as sources then I suppose an external link carrying these documents is hardly acceptable. Anybody researching Moylan will find the Findagrave page anyway. I got into trouble before for editing his page so I think I'll leave it. Thank you for your time and information.∼∼∼∼ BuffyO'B (talk) 22:42, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

I have no idea what newspaper articles you wish to use as sources, but WP:OFFLINE may be of interest. Per your OP, don't get into WP:OR though. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:39, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

If you go to the following link, it will take you to John Moylan, brother of Myles. I cannot add photos to Myles's profile. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/169515151/john-moylan You will find an article dated 22nd July 1876 ( a few weeks after the Battle of the Little Bighorn) that was published in the Tuam Herald, a Co Galway loocal paper, which is in operation since 1838. Myles is quite clearly connected to Tuam through his late brother John and nephews. An article from the Evening Mail, Stockton, Calif dated 19th April, 1901 connects Myles to a cousin John. It states quite clearly that they haven't met in sixty years since they left Ireland.

If you follow through to Thomas E Moylan (brother of John and Myles) you will find a small piece from the West Newbury Messenger where a visit by Myles to his brother Thomas is recorded.

The Journal of the Old Tuam Society published an article about the Moylans of Tuam, mainly about Myles and his nephew Brother Michael Titus, 5th Superior of the Christian Brothers. I can only offer the following link, which doesn't obviously bring you to the article as it's only available in hard copy. https://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000237091 BuffyO'B (talk) 10:53, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi BuffyO'B I apologize in advance if I'm misunderstanding something about your original post, but it sounds like you did your own research on this matter and then uploaded what you find out to Findagrave. If that's really the case, then you would be essentially citing yourself which means you would need to be considered a reliable source per WP:SPS. If you're basing your research on what you found in reliable secondary sources then it would seem better to simply cite those sources instead of your interpretation of those sources. Unless you're a well-established and recognized as reliable source on such matters, your interpretations are going to be considered WP:OR. Even as a WP:EL a link to your research would probably be problematic per WP:NOBLOGS. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:14, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

I have difficulty with what is considered original research. I uploaded the census return for 1855 and original enlistment record for 1857 to Findagrave. I know that neither are acceptable to Wiki. The newspaper reports are surely not original research, but you need a subscription to access them. That's why I snipped them and uploaded them to Findagrave, so that other researchers could access them. I couldn't upload the article in the Journal of the Old Tuam Society. Apart from being lengthy, it's under copyright. It really doesn't matter in the long run. Researchers will gravitate towards Myles's Findagrave page anyway and find the trail and it'll be clear to them that he was a Tuam man. Thank you for your time.∼∼∼∼ BuffyO'B (talk) 11:50, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

A census return is not really "original research", but it would almost certainly considered a WP:PRIMARYSOURCE and could only be used in certain ways. Original research would be if you cited the census return as a source and then add your own interpretation of it. What you would need to find are reliable WP:SECONDARYSOURCES that interpret the return and then cite them. As for needing a subscription to vuew a source, that's OK per WP:PAYWALL as long as the source is considered reliable per WP:RS and used in proper WP:RSCONTEXT; in other words, a source doesn't need to be freely available online or even available online at all as long as it's published and relatively accessible. The fact that someone may have to pay money to view the source makes assessing it a bit harder, but it doesn't make it impossible. Finally, uploading clippings to Findagrave or some other website often runs into problems as explained in WP:CONVENIENCE, unless it can be clearly determined that the source has not been altered in anyway. An online archive like Newspapers.com or the Wayback Machine is essentially one very big pool of convenience links, but usually these links can be used to verify that the archived content is as it was when originally first published. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:13, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

The census return was turned down because it was accessible through Ancestry, a third party site – https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=4472&h=4067232&tid=&pid=&queryId=8043d68652f62795afd9bb2c6b7c1209&usePUB=true&_phsrc=pTu8951&_phstart=successSource

The enlistment form was turned down for the same reason - https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1198&h=454619&tid=&pid=&queryId=2aa27f794ef1efc315b13c61ccb783e2&usePUB=true&_phsrc=pTu8928&_phstart=successSource

The Tuam Herald report dated July 22nd, 1876 is available on Irishnewsarchives.com. It was turned down because it was inconclusive - there could be two Myles Moylans, one from Tuam and one from Amesbury, MA. The others newspaper clippings are available on Newspapers.com. I can't remember what was wrong with them.

Nobody can access the Moylan article from the Journal of the Old Tuam Society unless they buy a copy.

It took me a while to realise that I was wasting my time. When a descendant of a brother of Myles got in touch with me, I thought I'd have another shot at it. Thanks for replying to me.∼∼∼∼ BuffyO'B (talk) 14:27, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Introducing my parents/family to being a wikipedian

Hello! i have been a wikipedian for a while now and it's fun but my parents don't know yet, they use WP but don't like the editing aspect, my brother uses it the most and once said he would never have the guts to edit WP articles in case he makes a mistake, and my other brother doesn't think much of what he calls "wikifolk", he would be the hardest.

What would be a good way introduce WP maintainence to my parents? maybe sending them the WP:CANTBREAKIT? how do i explain to them that's its not all new articles and major edits? that you are free to fix any little mistake you see and revert vandalism? i'm a photog and my parents do know that so maybe i should introduce them to the commons first.

Or should i just straight up tell them i patrol and edit WP?

OGWFP (talk) 21:20, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@OGWFP Well, if you wanted to tell them I’m sure they wouldn’t mind, as Wikipedia can be edited by anyone. You may wish to tell them you edit, although not necessarily tell them the pages or your username? I personally have told people in real life I edit Wikipedia articles although I don’t tell people my username as I like to keep it separate. Blanchey (talk) 23:11, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@OGWFP And make sure that each person editing uses their own, individual account name. If any of you share a computer or other device, like a tablet or cell phone, everyone should log out of WP when they leave the computer (don't stay signed in and let anyone else edit using your usernane). Good luck! David10244 (talk) 06:56, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@OGWFP Hi. Your family should be aware of Wikipedia content disclaimer. One of the downsides of Wikipedia is that Wikipedia is not censored. Sorry. You can also learn how to hide an image (see Help:Options to hide an image). If you see something offensive or disturbing, you can even avoid visiting the article. When you visit an article, there is no warning template nor a rating system. There is a warning template on the talk page of the article. Cwater1 (talk) 05:25, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

How should I amend to frame a more neutral perspective?

Courtesy link: Draft:UParcel

Hi there, I am trying to publish a short wiki for my client's logistics company and it was not successful. I had a premonition that it would not be approved but could someone advise on how it can be written more neutrally and if the references that are used (limited news coverage).

Thanks CurbandPaul (talk) 01:36, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

It starts by saying that this is "an e-commerce logistics company in Singapore that provides same day delivery services by connecting users via an online delivery platform". This isn't how you'd describe it to a friend; because if you did, they might wonder what drugs you were on but anyway their eyes would glaze over and they'd start to doze off. The problem is, it's bullshit, phrased not to inform, but merely to impress. It might impress your client but it's so soporific that it won't impress any other readers, certainly not any draft reviewers. -- Hoary (talk) 01:45, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

(PS I think you mean "a company that makes same-day deliveries within Singapore". The other stuff? I think "online delivery platform" means "website"; but I expect that most delivery companies, if not all, in the first and second world allow customers to do on the web a lot of what still may quaintly be called "paperwork", and so there's no obvious need to mention the website/"platform". -- Hoary (talk) 06:43, 10 November 2022 (UTC))

CurbandPaul, your phrase last mile fulfilment is jargon and a marketing buzz word formulation that conveys no useful information to the reader. That's not encyclopedia writing; that's ad man writing. Cullen328 (talk) 07:57, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Curband Paul, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please remember that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.

That is where you should start - with what people unconnected with the company actually say about it. Ignore everything the company says about itself, unless somebody independent has said it too. ColinFine (talk) 10:28, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Cleaning up or archiving on talk pages

Hello, is it okay to simply delete talk page sections which were written 10 years ago, or should I archive them? If it is to archive, how do I do this? Asperthrow (talk) 06:14, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Your earliest contributions were made just one week ago, so you can't be talking about your own user talk page. Elsewhere, no, you may not delete talk page sections. Why not just leave them be? It's normally better that a person gets plenty of experience improving Wikipedia articles before attempting to improve Wikipedia's workings -- but if there's some particular talk page that is unusually problematic, do please point to it. -- Hoary (talk) 06:35, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@Asperthrow, see Help:Archiving (plain and simple). The automatic archiving will still leave a few threads unarchived, no matter the age, but if there's a long list of old threads it's reasonable to archive article talkpages. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:09, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Writing the information from research paper

I just want to know that can we get information from the research paper and write it in our words while using the paper as citation source ? Or can we base our whole article on a single research paper ? If yes , how ? LFJunaidAhmed (talk) 12:29, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@LFJunaidAhmed If you look at almost any article on a scientific topic on Wikipedia, you'll see that it is indeed often based on research papers published in peer-reviewed journals but usually we prefer WP:Secondary sources, so that means review papers, not a single piece of WP:Primary research. In addition, for articles making any sort of medical claim, we need even more reliable sources, as discussed at WP:MEDRS. Whatever the source, anything we write in Wikipedia has to use our own wording (unless directly quoting) to avoid issues of copyright infringement or plagiarism. It would be very unusual for a single research paper on a new topic to reach our guideline for notability but you may find cases where such poor sourcing has slipped through in the past. When you do try to create a new article, I suggest you use the WP:AFC process so as to get advice on avoiding the main pitfalls. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:54, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Alright, well explained. Thankyou LFJunaidAhmed (talk) 04:14, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

How to list notable articles / sources

Hello, I am writing a business page and I work for the business. Looking for guidance on how to improve the page. I have notable sources and not sure how best to list them. Also open to any other recommendations. Thank you, please be kind :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:JJ_Foodservice_Ltd Rowland 1981 (talk) 15:59, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Rowland 1981, please read WP:N and learn how the term "notable" is used here in Wikipedia. Then look for some reliable independent published sources that discuss JJ Foodservice. If you find at least three, rewrite your draft from scratch, basing it on what those sources say and citing them as you go. Maproom (talk) 16:35, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Rowland 1981, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you work for the business, you have not just a conflict of interest (thank you for declaring that on your user page) but you count as a paid editor (even if you're not specifically paid to work on the Wikipedia article), and should upgrade the declaration on your user page, and add one to Draft talk:JJ Foodservice Ltd

I suggest you drop the phrase "business page" from your mind, and always think of it as "an encyclopaedia article about the business", to remind you that it does not (and will not) belong to the business, will not be controlled by the business (you will be strongly discouraged from editing it directly), will not be for the benefit of the business except incidentally, and may not contain what the business would like it to contain. ColinFine (talk) 17:15, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Colin, thank you for your feedback. I would like to write more wiki articles so I'm keen to learn how to disassociate myself from the subject and write in a more neutral and encyclopaedic way. I will take everyone's advice, which has been very helpful, and continue to learn. I think it's a good idea to rewrite from scratch based on notable sources and will also update my declaration on the user page and add one to Draft talk, as you have suggested. Rowland 1981 (talk) 18:38, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Pages created by Sockpuppet

Not sure if this is the right place to ask this. If not, please point me in the right direction. I came across ISRAEL21c - not much on the page. I dug around and it was created by someone who was banned for sockpuppetry. He actually created over 600 pages. Whats the correct process for dealing with these? I don't mind reviewing some of them but just want to know the protocols. Thank you. MaskedSinger (talk) 17:51, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@MaskedSinger: If the articles were created after the block, then they may qualify for WP:G5 speedy delete. RudolfRed (talk) 19:38, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

G5 would not qualify for them in this case since they were created before he was blocked for socking (he's not a sock but the sockmaster), and the article you linked has had multiple contributions by other users so it wouldn't qualify anyways. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:46, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Uploading copyright image with owner's permission

I have received permission from a copyright owner to upload an image to Wikipedia. Specifically regarding this source's image of Big Stan (drill rig). How would I go about uploading the correspondence that gave permission and uploading the image itself? Would it be under a standard fair use justification or is there a specific template on the commons? Etrius ( Us) 18:24, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

If the copyright holder has agreed to release it to everyone under a licence that commons will accept, see c:COM:VRT#If you are NOT the copyright holder. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 18:28, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@Etriusus: It seems unlikely that any new image of Big Stan (drill rig) would be allowed under Wikipedia's non-free content use policy per WP:FREER because (1) a freely licensed photo of the rig already seems to exist as File:Mobile drill rig in Wyoming, 2006.jpg and (2) a new photo of the rig could be taken by someone and released under an acceptable free license. Non-free photos of structures or equipment such as this are generally not allowed when the structure is still standing or the equipment is still being used in publicly accessible areas and capable of being photographed. So, this means you will either (1) need to take a photo of the Big Stan yourself and upload it under an acceptable free license or (2) find someone who has already taken such a photo or agrees to take such a photo and get them to give their consent for their photo to be uploaded under such a license. If you want to use a photo from the "Kevin and Ruth" website and whomever runs the website actually took the photo themselves, you will need to follow the instructions in the "COM:VRT" page that Madeline linked to above. If you're going to try and get Kevin and Ruth's consent, you should ask them to take a look at this and this so that they understand what giving their consent means. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:58, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@Marchjuly I think you misunderstand my question. The image on Big Stan (drill rig) is not that of the Big Stan drill rig, but rather a relatively similar model, per the caption. I have spoken with Kevin directly and he has agreed to release the image to the commons, in fact he sent me a few images. My question was just what template would be appropriate on commons since these are not my images, even though most of them have never been released online. I see that I'll need to forward the our correspondence per COM:VRT, which answers my question. Etrius ( Us) 23:22, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@Etriusus: I think you misunderstood my reply; I stated a freely licensed photo of the rig already seems to exist as .... This was to take into account that the photo in question isn't one of "Big Stan", but perhaps I should've made that more clear. What you need to have Kevin undestand is that he isn't just releasing his photos to Commons or Wikipedia; rather, he's just using Commons to essentially make versions of them "freely" available forever for anyone in the world to download and reuse at anytime in pretty much any way they please (including commercial and derivative use) without needing to directly contact Kevin each time they want to do so. He's not transferring his copyright ownership to anyone, he's just making it much easier for others to reuse his work under some not really very restrictive conditions.

If you explain all of this to Kevin and he's OK with that, then ideally he should uploaded the files himself to Commons using c:Commons:Wikimedia VRT release generator with their original c:COM:EXIF data whenever possible. He just needs to follow the guidance at each step of the upload process so that his copyright ownership can be verified. If, on the other hand, he doesn't want to do that and would rather have you upload the file for him instead, then you're going to need to use c:COM:UPLOAD to upload the image. Since the photo's aren't your c:COM:Own work, you're going to then need to have Kevin send a c:COM:CONSENT email to c:COM:VRT for verification purposes.

Since Kevin is going to need to include the name of the file you've uploaded as well as the type of copyright license he wants to use for the file in his CONSENT email, you probably should discuss these things with him before uploading anything and ask him to wait until the file's been uploaded before sending any emails. In addtion, you should try and use the license he decides upon when you're prompted to pick a license when you upload the file. The email Kevin sends in will be assessed and verified by a VRT member, and the VRT member will take care of everything else if the email is OK. If there's a problem with the email, the VRT member will contact Kevin via email and explain what else needs to be done. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:32, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

why was my subject declined

I just want to know why my subject was declined? Fnaffan999214 (talk) 19:09, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@Fnaffan999214: The message on your talk page states "If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse..." GoingBatty (talk) 19:24, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

I need help with some really advanced esoteric Wiki syntax

The article United States at the 2022 Winter Olympics has an endnote ({{efn}}) encoded in the lead regarding the inability of one of the US flagbearers to appear at the opening ceremony. The end-note appears embedded within the "Ice hockey:Women's tournament" section, just below the "Group play" table. Tracking this down, I find that the problem is that the Group Play table has been transcluded from the Ice hockey at the 2022 Winter Olympics – Women's tournament article, and the table there is created by {{invoke}}'ing a module called "Sports table". The Sports table module has parameters to generate end notes for the table, but apparently this syntax is also capturing the end note that was written in the article lead, creating an end note for the table having nothing to do with the table. I am adept enough at Wiki-syntax to diagnose the problem, but nowhere near adept enough to correct it. Can someone here direct me to a resource who might be able to correct this? Thanks!!! WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 21:56, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

I've changed the one in the lead to use uppercase, which lets us avoid the crash. I don't know if there would be a way to do this without changing the footnote type. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 22:19, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@Maddy from Celeste: Thanks for the quick fix! WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 22:30, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Renaming John Henry Peyton to John Howe Peyton

 Courtesy link: John Henry Peyton

Before my wrist surgery (and although the very competent local genealogist was out sick that day), I started a new article about a long-dead Prince William County, Virginia delegate whom I thought was named John Henry Peyton, per a post-2000 published Peyton family genealogy at that library (which unfortunately did not give his birth and death dates). I expected to write a second article about his cousin (both sharing the same paternal grandfather) John Howe Peyton, who served in the Virginia Senate representing Augusta and Rockbridge counties significantly to the west a couple of decades later. However, when the genealogist got back, he pointed me to a family biography available on Project Gutenberg which demonstrated that John Howe Peyton actually held both legislative positions. So I revised the article briefly one-handed to include the correct refs and mention the confusion. For what it's worth, while that long-ago published family biography does not meet modern research standards (i.e. gets both dates of legislative service slightly wrong), the wikipedia article's title needs to be changed to meet the revised infobox and contents generally. I'm still trying to track down John Henry Peyton's vital statistics (his index entry in the recent Washington family genealogy incorrectly cites 2 pages or missing genealogical entries and the Virginia Historical Society library/archive has no index entry for him), but it's clear to me he doesn't otherwise meet wikipedia's notability standards. On the other hand, John Howe Peyton does meet those criteria, and I plan to work on the article when the genealogy library opens Saturday, even if still typing one-handed. Thanks for your help. And sorry for the confusion.Jweaver28 (talk) 22:38, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Jweaver28, I've moved "John Henry Peyton" to John Howe Peyton -- a minor chore that I think could have been accomplished with just one hand. I do note that the article is prefaced with an announcement that it's being reworked; I hope that it will be augmented, because as it is I can't see how Peyton is significant. (Yes, he held a series of posts, but what did he propose, how did he vote, what did he do, etc, while he held them?) -- Hoary (talk) 23:42, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

My two cents is too much genealogy about family members. David notMD (talk) 04:37, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. -- Hoary (talk) 12:34, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Hoary. I thought I had changed the article's name when I made the postsurgical article changes, but clearly did not. Then yesterday evening's changes got stuck/lost in a display driver update, and today proved a bit crazier than I had expected. As for notability, all members of state legislatures meet wikipedia's guideline. I understand they're not as sexy as rock band members or professional athletes, but figuring out who they were is important for historians. For Virginia legislators of previous centuries the genealogy is important, for this was an oligarchy. Then there are the quirks, like "forgetting" those who freed slaves, opposed slavery or for decades after the Civil War (a/k/a War between the States) were Republicans.Jweaver28 (talk) 01:18, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

How do I change my sandbox title?

I had made my first article, but it says User:LogiAnimations/sandbox, but I would like it to just say LogiAnimations. How do I fix this? LogiAnimations (talk) 22:54, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @LogiAnimations, welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that what you've written in your sandbox has no potential to become a Wikipedia article and should not be moved to article space (which is what you're asking to be done here). Wikipedia articles are about notable subjects, ones that have received a lot of attention from news organizations, scholars and the like. This small YouTube channel is not going to qualify. Also, since you picked a username which is the same as the channel name, I'm afraid you've also broken our username policy. I highly recommend either applying for a change of username at WP:RENAME or simply abandoning this account and creating a new one. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 23:12, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Your account blocked until you go through a name change process. That said, User:LogiAnimations/sandbox has no potential to become an article. Once you have a new name, you can put Db-author inside double curly brackets {{ }} at the top and an Administrator will delete the draft. Going forward, see WP:YFA for the process of creating and then submitting a draft. Know, however, that there are recommendations to put in time improving existing articles before attempting to create an article. David notMD (talk) 04:32, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Emojis in pages

Can we also add emojis in pages? 2601:244:4080:3010:F084:CE83:2984:F146 (talk) 22:55, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

hi ip user! unless you're working on a article where it makes sense to have an emoji to display a graphical representation of these characters as an example like articles related to Unicode or Emoji, not really. usually in other pages, these characters can be mentioned using text ("the purple heart emoji" instead of just the character itself 💜 directly, which may not display in older computers).

that being said, if you do decide to register, you can add emojis to your custom signature like mine. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 23:09, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

DDHQ links for 2022 HoR election pages

Hey, I'm a relatively novice editor, so I'm not sure who I should contact about this - I noticed that the links to DDHQ on 2022 HoR race prediction tables all seem to be wrong, and link to the generic 'Decision desk' Wiki page. I manually fixed the ones for Alaska and Maine, but I'm not sure if there's an automatic/better way to fix this. Example - go here, and the DDHQ link goes to Decision desk instead of Decision Desk HQ.

Don't really have the time to go through all of the 48 other pages + any other places this might be an issue to fix, so even if there isn't an automated way to do it I figured I should still let someone know. PaKYr (talk) 04:13, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

 In progress doing this manually. perhaps a bot could do this, but 48 articles isn't a lot (and also I don't know which already-approved bot accepts requests like this) so I could probably do this myself. 💜  melecie  talk - 04:47, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! PaKYr (talk) 04:51, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Twinkle

I'm trying to have the TW alongside More; It doesn't show on me! SAAeh (talk) 04:46, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@saaeh: from wikipedia:twinkle/doc:

Twinkle installation may fail completely for several reasons:

• You must use a supported web browser. Twinkle does not work with Internet Explorer version 8 or older; hence, it will not work on Internet Explorer on Windows XP, and you may need to upgrade to Internet Explorer 9 if you use Windows Vista or Windows 7.
• If you are using older versions of Opera, Safari, or Firefox, try enabling the JavaScript Standard Library gadget under your preferences → Gadgets → Library and compatibility gadgets.
• After installation, you may have to clear your browser cache. Instructions on how to do this can be found at Wikipedia:Bypass your cache.

does this help? lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 08:25, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

It helps me, Thank you! ~~~~ SAAeh (talk) 15:11, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

How Many Articles should I require for creating Articles in Wikipedia

I would like to know How Many Articles should I require for creating Articles in Wikipedia? Wikibd23 (talk) 04:59, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

That's like asking "How many games of tennis should I play before I can enter a competition?" There is no particular number: it depends on your ability and willingness to learn. You have submitted several drafts, but not yet got very far with them. I recommend studying WP:YFA and WP:notability carefully. ColinFine (talk) 11:24, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Wikibd23, if your sources are of high quality for demonstrating notability, you only need two or three of them. However, your sources must support everything written in your article, so your sources may number more than that. There is no set minimum source count if the sources are not considered reliable by Wikipedia.--Quisqualis (talk) 18:40, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your helpfull Answer. Wikibd23 (talk) 20:32, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

How could I test those articles from Reliable sources

Hi ,

Please I would like to know. How could I Test those articles from Reliable Sources ?

Thank you. Wikibd23 (talk) 05:01, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@Wikibd23 Hello, and welcome to the teahouse. Please can you tell me what you mean by testing articles from reliable sources? Blanchey (talk) 08:46, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@Wikibd23, Please read carefully about reliable sources and about notability of academics. Those are important concepts to be aware of in writing a Wikipedia article. Quisqualis (talk) 18:32, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much. Wikibd23 (talk) 20:31, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

How can I add a taxonomy template to an automatic taxobox of my article?

In my draft article Chlidonophorinae, I got a message saying `Missing taxonomy template`. I clicked on the `fix` link but I cannot edit it as I am a new user. Can anyone please create one for it and when can I get access to create a taxonomy template? Also, please submit my draft if it is good enough. PrathuCoder (talk) 05:32, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@prathucoder: done, at Template:Taxonomy/Chlidonophorinae. you can create those templates when you account is 4 days old and you have made 10 edits. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 08:36, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Finding sources on an article

I'm having trouble finding sources on Rawson Stovall, the first syndicated game journalist in the U.S. For example, I found an article on him in The Wall Street Journal on the Wikipedia Library, but said article is so old that I cannot find any copies of it online. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 10:10, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Sources don't need to be online. Just include the relevant parameters in the citation; usually easiest to fill in the appropriate parameters in the {{cite news}} template. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:16, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

I meant that I saw a record of the Wall Street Journal article on the Library, however, I couldn't access it from there - it was only a record of its existence. When I tried searching for it, I couldn't find any trace of it. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 10:36, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@Vortex3427 Have you tried asking at WP:RX? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:14, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Notability Guideline

 Courtesy link: Draft:Joële Walinga

Hi! I'm having trouble with a declined article submission, the reason given is: "Subject maybe notable but needs more WP:SIGCOV." But all of the citations I've included contain significant coverage (they are interviews and features on the subject, not "passing mentions") in independent and reliable sources. How can I resolve this? Ss prod (talk) 12:11, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Interviews with the subject of the article are of no use in establishing notability. We don't care what the subject says about themselves; instead we need to know what independent reliable sources say about them. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:20, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@Ss prod Hello, I had a look for you, whilst it is good that the draft already has 8 citations, it still may not be significant enough, depending on the content. You should probably continue to find sources so that your draft passes the notability criteria, before submitting again. Thanks, Blanchey (talk) 12:21, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

And like @David Biddulph said, the content of those citations should be from independent, reliable sources, not necessarily interviews. Blanchey (talk) 12:22, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply! Just because I'm a little unclear on the preferred content of the sources, I'd love if anyone would have a minute to look through and flag which ones aren't appropriate. There are many other articles I could replace them with, but was giving preference to the larger publications. Ss prod (talk) 12:26, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@Ss prod here is a list full of most popular publishers and which ones are okay to use. Also, interviews are generally avoided since that is usually the subject talking about themself. Whereas independent publishers can talk from a different perspective, and improve notability. Blanchey (talk) 12:31, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the link. And definitely understand the interview concern. In the case of this article, I only used interviews to give a source to a simple fact (ie, premiere location, etc) and in each case the fact was established by the writer of the article and not by the subject. Would the use of an article that contains an interview in that way also be discouraged? Ss prod (talk) 12:33, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Also – sorry for the follow up – Variety and Deadline (which I cite) are in the green on this list. I'm noticing a lack of Canadian publications which many of my other resources are, CBC is the Canadian Broadcasting Company, and Canadian Art is the now defunct national art magazine (the Canadian version of Art in America). I'm assuming the list and its indications aren't comprehensive? Ss prod (talk) 12:38, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Canadian Broadcasting Corporation* Ss prod (talk) 12:38, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Here is a Wikipedia article for another Canadian filmmaker that has been accepted, with resources which are largely passing mentions and interviews. Can someone please take a look and clarify the difference to me? It seems to me that the resources on my article contain many more reliable sources, full features, and green-lit publications, in addition to the fact that my article does not use interviews to establish the views of the subject of the interview, but rather the facts noted by the interviewer. Ss prod (talk) 12:51, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

----> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Shim Ss prod (talk) 12:51, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Ss prod ...the resources on my article... - you have established a new user registration and immediately tried to create an article. Are you connected to the subject?--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 12:56, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I am a producer at her company. Is this allowed? Ss prod (talk) 12:58, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

In which case you need to read about conflict of interest, and about paid editing. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:00, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Ah I did not know that. Ok, so, I should remove the article? Ss prod (talk) 13:02, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

I am still curious why one article was allowed and another denied, outside of the conflict of interest issue (which I do understand). The article was rejected based on its citations, not the conflict, when similar citations have been approved. Can anyone clarify this for me? I will still delete the article but I'd like to know what informed the disparity between treatments of two similar subjects. Ss prod (talk) 13:05, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing out the problems with Anthony Shim. In my opinion, it is inadequately sourced, and I have tagged it accordingly. Please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. ColinFine (talk) 13:41, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

I know I'm new here, but I think the Shim article feels well sourced, and I think it's important to keep room for the new generation of filmmakers, especially those who are BIPOC and women who are often left out of these spaces. I'm sorry that my bringing up the Shim article in contrast with the one I am submitting may lead to added obstacles for him. Why I mentioned it is because I'm confused about the interview issue when the citation isn't used to establish the opinions of the subject but to establish those of the interviewER, and in Shim's article, this citation was OK. I have also seen this in several other articles about filmmakers at this stage, but I will not mention them by name or link to them anymore. I suggest a more nuanced and considered approach to resources. Ss prod (talk) 13:49, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Basically, you have donated the content and only an administrator can delete an article. As the author, you can request deletion. I'll leave others more accustomed to the circumstances to advise on this. I had a quick look at the website and saw some minor crossover text, but didn't pore over it.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 13:19, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Add what a Staff Assistant To Director

I wanto document what a Federal Assistant to a Director is and does in a Veterans Healthcare Administration Hospital for serving our Nations Soldierldy (talk) 14:04, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Soldierldy! Welcome to the Teahouse! It appears as though you wish to create an article regarding this subject. In order for a subject to qualify for a Wikipedia article, the subject must be notable (click this link for an in-depth explanation). The general notability guideline states that the subject must be covered by multiple reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. All contentious information must be verified by a reputable source. You may also wish to ensure that the article you create does not contain any copyright violations, as this is a free encyclopedia and you do not wish to distribute any copyright-infringing material. Articles have a manual of style that covers how your writing style should be when writing an article. Finally, make sure your article is not contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. Since you are not autoconfirmed yet, in order to create an article, you must go to articles for creation and create a draft (your title with the prefix Draft:). Once the above criteria are met, the article will be moved by an experienced user into the main article space, where it is available for all readers to see. Thanks! — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 14:31, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Help:Your first article is a wonderful resource as well. — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 14:35, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Soldierldy, and welcome to the Teahouse. The question in my mind is, what do you mean by "document"? If you mean that you want to survey the existing literature on the subject and write a summary of what the sources say, that's fine. My suspicion is that you want to write about your own experience and conclusions. If that's the case, I'm afraid that Wikipedia would regard that as original research, which is not acceptable in any article. ColinFine (talk) 15:37, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Get my article published - How to improve references?

Hello.

I wrote the following article (Sandbox), but Wikipedia declined its publication: User:LRExpertsen/sandbox

It is about LatamReady, a solution provider company of Oracle NetSuite ERP.

Wikipedia declined it because the references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia Article. In the message, they say the sources don't have 1)in-depth, 2)reliable, 3)secondary, or 4)independent.

However, I edited the article by adding new well-known references such as New York Times and The Guardian, but Wikipedia rejected the article.

Can you give me more advice on how to edit the article, so Wikipedia approves it? Including references or any other subject that can be improved. LRExpertsen (talk) 15:33, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, LRExpertsen, and welcome to the Teahouse. Your first problem is that it is not clear what your article is about: is it about LatamReady or about Oracle NetSuite ERP? Also, I can't actually tell from your draft whether NetSuite ERP is a product of LatamReady, or a system that LatamReady provides access to. I notice that we have an article on NetSuite, that you haven't actually linked to. What is the relationship between LatamReady and that company?

Your other problem is that you are focussing on just one of the three criteria for sources: that of being reliable. The other two are independence, and significant coverage. Two of your four sources do not mention LatamReady at all, and are useless for establishing it as notable. I suspect that the WSJ one does not either, but I can't read it as I am not a subscriber. And the Spanish source seems to be based on an interview, so it is not independent. Remember that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.

I also need to ask, do you have a connection with LatamReady? When somebody creates an account, and immediately embarks on the incredibly difficult task of creating an article, they very often have a connection with the subject. If you have, you should read about conflict of interest, and if you are in any way employed by the company, you must read about paid editing and make the necessarily declarations. ColinFine (talk) 16:05, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@LRExpertsen You are now on your third warning for potential WP:UPE. The question is a mandatory question. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:06, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Solo notability

Hello.

Last year I created a draft page for American YouTuber and singer Draft:Gabi DeMartino who is the 1/2 of the duo Niki and Gabi. Unfortunately the draft has been declined several times because "she's not notable enough as a solo artist". She released more music individually than she did when she was a part of the duo, was featured in one of the most-watched music video in YouTube within 24 hours, opened for German artist Zedd, signed to Roc Nation for music management and has done so many other stuff to identify as a solo artist but her single did not rank high on a recognized chart. Could someone re-review it or maybe help with making it a better article to be moved to the main space? Thanks. Gabriella Grande (talk) 15:59, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@gabriella grande: none of that matters. what you need are at least 2 or 3 reliable, independent sources that cover the subject significantly. if you don't have those, the subject does not deserve an article. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 16:30, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@Lettherebedarklight I already added Forbes, Insider, Buzzfeed News and many more, which according to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources they are reliable. Gabriella Grande (talk) 16:57, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@Gabriella Grande: The Forbes source is credited to a contributor, which is not generally considered reliable. I do not think that either the Buzzfeed or the Insider articles are really significant coverage of DeMartino. If they are the best case for notability that can be made, even if we did consider them significant coverage I would be concerned about whether this was an article on a living person based on a single event. Your draft contains lots of sources, but it's not at all clear to me which of them actually count towards notability – generally a draft having lots of questionable sources does not help it get accepted at AfC: it's much better to have a smaller number of sources which all clearly count towards notability. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 17:13, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Visual edit: value (help), website= (help)

Using the Visual Editor Manual tab (after "We couldn't make a citation for you. You can create one manually using the "Manual" tab above." appeared) I added a live URL citation and its archived copy to an article, filling in the appropriate fields but " {{cite web}}: Empty citation (help): Check |archive-url= value (help); External link in |website= (help)" appears after "Retrieved 9 November 2022.". What do I need to do? Mcljlm (talk) 16:16, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@mcljlm: i'm assuming this is about party lists for the 2022 Israeli legislative election. the archive url is the exact same as the non-archived url, and the website parameter takes the name of the website, not the url. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 16:34, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ Thanks. I hadn't noticed my mouse hadn't copied the archived version. Now half the problem is solved but "{{cite web}}: External link in |website= (help)" still appears (I only added {thought I was adding} the archived version 2 days after the original edit). What do I need to do now? Mcljlm (talk) 00:53, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Mcljlm. The citation error was due to you (I'm assuming it was you) trying to use add a url address for the |website= parameter. You should use the name of the website instead. I don't understand Hebrew; so I simply replaced the url you added with "gov.il". If you know the name of the website, you should use that instead. Another thing I noticed is that you're citing non-English websites as sources. While this is allowed as explained in WP:NONENGLISH, it can be confusing to readers sometime since they're reading English Wikipedia and, thus. expecting sources written in English. Many governmental websites have multi-language versions and you should cite the English version of the source if one exists whenever possible. If no such page exists or the source in the original language is preferred, you can still make things a bit easier by using the parameters |script-title=, |title=, |language=, and |trans-title=. Most of the documentation pages for the more widely used citation templates like {{cite web}} have examples on how to use these parameters, and it's not too complicated to figure out. The |script-title= parameter is particularly useful when the source being cited uses a non-Latin script like Hebrew does because it helps with MOS:ACCESSIBILITY. In such cases, the |title= parameter should be used for the Romanized version of the source's title, with the |trans-title= parameter then being used for the English translation of the source's title. The |language= parameter is just the two-letter code for the source language. I reformatted one of the citations you added using these parameter (I left the |title= parameter empty because I don't read Hebrew), and it would be big help if you could go back and finish the citation I started and then also clean up the rest in the same way. Finally, I also noticed that the |page= parameters for some of the citations seem to have dates added to them instead of page numbers. The date the source was published should be added to the |date= parameter, and the page of the source being cited is what should be added to the |page= parameter. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:48, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Marchjuly. Are you saying I should have entered gov.il as the website name rather than https://www.gov.il? I didn't use Central Elections Committee as the website name since the CEC is only a government department as its home page URL https://www.gov.il/en/departments/central-elections-committee/govil-landing-page indicates and its name doesn't always appear in its webpages (see below). Would it be preferable to gov.il despite that?

I'm not sure why you say I'm citing non-English websites. I cited the English-language page https://www.gov.il/BlobFolder/guide/candidates-lists-25/en/candidates_candidates_lists.pdf which I accessed from the hyperlink Names of the Candidates in the 25th Knesset Elections at the foot of https://www.gov.il/en/Departments/Guides/candidates-lists-25 (it's actually there twice), en indicating it's the English version. Mcljlm (talk) 03:25, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Username change

Can i cancel a request for username change? Quantum XYZ (chat) 17:49, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Quantum XYZ, just revert the request. Sungodtemple (talk) 17:55, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Sungodtemple: I cant find ot at my contributions, and on the request page it only allows me to make a requests. Quantum XYZ (chat) 05:13, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

The request page is Special:GlobalRenameRequest. Quantum XYZ (chat) 05:59, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Improve the Draft page and get approval

Hi all, I created a page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:PaykanArtCar and would like to seek for your support to go through the article and advise if there's improvement needed. I have followed the neutral tone of voice and notable source guideline throughout the article, however if you think there's anything I should adjust, please let me know. KP070707 (talk) 18:26, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@KP070707 After a brief skim, you should remove words such as "famous" (see WP:WTW). Also, citations should come after punctuation. Broadly speaking, the article does come off a tad promotional, so I would advise rewriting the article as if you were a completely neutral observer, just stating the facts. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 20:57, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@KP070707 There are several places where you have external links within the article's text. These should be removed or converted into citations. See WP:EL Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:56, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Nowiki?

Sorry, newbie question, but what are the nowiki tags? I've seen them used in a few edits, normally wrapped around other pieces of text. TheManInTheBlackHat (talk) 19:36, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@TheManInTheBlackHat: No need to apolgize for a newbie question, that's the entire point of the Teahouse. nowiki just makes it so stings of text aren't interpreted Wikitext (for example If I wanted to Dispaly Template:Clear with curly brackets without summoning the template, I would put: {{clear}}) ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:39, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

That clears it up, thank you. TheManInTheBlackHat (talk) 19:40, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

disambiguation query: page= My Uncle Napoleon

i'm copy/pasting/rewriting my talk page question here because i think this is a better place? the article is My Uncle Napoleon. i want to work on the article more in general, but this is my main question atm. (very first time editor!)

"Mash Qasem is said to be from Ghiasabad. that is listed on the page with *Disambiguation Needed*. i don't think this can be disambiguated! given the tone of the novel, that seems to be a joke, given his compulsive lying tendencies, about there being so many different Ghiasabads! what would be the best way to resolve this? do i need to find a citation confirming his being from ghiasabad is a joke about ambiguity [something i do not know if is possible]. much thanks" 2600:6C67:6E7F:5AD1:0:0:0:3 (talk) 22:10, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

I'd just remove the link and the tag. If it's not possible to pick one Ghiasabad to link to, but there's no source saying it is an intentionally ambiguous joke, linking to the disambiguation doesn't really help the reader. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 22:54, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

SheepsHaver (talk) 22:20, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Problems editing a discography and adding a new title.

Column formatting problems. I am trying to add the 1975 single "Calypso" to the John Denver discography, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Denver_discography#Singles Packzap (talk) 04:13, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

"Calypso" is the "B" side to John Denver's single "I'm Sorry" and peaked at position #2 in the US Billboard Hot 100 chart in 1975. The problem is in getting the columns to line up properly as I don't have chart info for the other columns. The song is from the same album "Windsong". Packzap (talk) 04:25, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Is there a good resource on how to format these funky Wiki table columns correctly? Packzap (talk) 04:27, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

I'll sort of answer my own question (talking to myself in the tea house {grin}. I just noticed on the John Denver discography page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Denver_discography#Singles that an entry was added to the bottom for "Charted B-sides" and contains "Calypso". Hence there is no need apparently to add it to the listing of singles farther up the page from 1975? Packzap (talk) 05:27, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

writing a biography

I want to write a bio of a well known commercial artist who is deceased. Is it correct that every fact, such as his employers, places of residence, and so on, must be publicly documented? Some of the information I have is from personal knowledge, such as that he was a Scoutmaster for the Boy Scouts. Can I not write that because it isn't documented? Entwalker (talk) 04:14, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

That is correct, yes. If you know something personally, that is original research and is not allowed on Wikipedia. Look for reliable sources that contain the information, and make sure there are sources establishing notability as well or else the article can't be written at all. WPscatter ^t/_c 04:18, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Entwalker (talk) 06:16, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

About Account

Can Can I have 2 Wikipedia IDs? At one time does Wikipedia allow this? I haven't made it yet. But I want to create a backup account. Jisshu (talk) 04:41, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Jisshu Hello, and welcome back to the Teahouse! See WP:SOCKLEGIT for legitimate uses of an alternate account. Otherwise, you are not allowed to have more than one account. Jolly1253 (talk) 04:51, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

serious question on global locks

so i came across an account called "wikipedia sucks" which is LOCKED for having an abusive username. really...? i understand a block, but not a lock. seems a little sensitive. as far as im concerned, locking an account should have only been used if they have an offensive user name, is a cross wiki abuser or spambot, sockpuppet or an LTA. locking an account for dissing wikipedia in what is probably more polite then what most people would say, seems ridiculous to me. 50.109.187.59 (talk) 04:46, 12 November 2022 (UTC)