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Hi, I just noticed that this category was deleted. Since you closed the discussion, I thought I would ask if there is there any way to have that decision reconsidered? Frankly, the comments from the proposer and some of the others demonstrated a lack of knowledge of Upper Canada politics in the 19th century. The descendants of the Loyalists, born in Upper Canada, were a very influential political group, even though they themselves were not political refugees from the US, and don't fit within the definition of "Loyalist" used in either of the two articles on the topic. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 13:09, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Mr Serjeant Buzfuz, can you give some examples of UEL descendants, where that is WP:DEFINING for those people (the main objection)? — Qwerfjkltalk 15:24, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It was the defining characteristic of the politics of two provinces which did not exist prior to the arrival of the Loyalists, Upper Canada and New Brunswick, as well as an entire sector of settlement in Lower Canada. Loyalty to the Crown became the significant ideology of those provinces. They were the descendants of political refugees who fled a revolution after losing their homes and property. Asking if it is a defining characteristic is sort of like asking if being the son or daughter of a political refugee from Cuba in Miami is a defining characteristic, or if being the son of an American revolutionary was a defining characteristic for politicians in the next generation after the Revolution. The ideology of the Revolution permeated US politics; the ideology of loyalty to the Crown permeated politics in Upper Canada, New Brunswick, and to some extent Lower Canada. I can give you a list of descendants of the political refugees from the US who were then involved in politics and governance in Upper Canada and New Brunswick in the first half of the 19th century. But it's not like there was a "United Empire Party" that elected members; it's that being the descendants of political refugees who lost their homes and fled for ideological reasons was the defining feature of politics in those provinces for a half-century. I'm also curious why there are categories for Sons of the American Revolution and Daughters of the American Revolution. Do you apply the same standard of defining characteristic to those categories? For people born two hundred years after the Revolution? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 12:42, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Following up on that last point, I notice that Rosalynn Carter is listed in the category of "Daughters of the American Revolution", but there is nothing in her article that suggests that is a defining feature of her life and political views. Should she be deleted from that category? Similarly, George W. Bush is listed in the category of "Sons of the American Revolution", but there is nothing in his wiki article that suggests it is a defining feature for him, either. Should he be included in the category, if there is nothing in his article that mentions it? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 13:27, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
there’s also a process issue. For an issue that relates specifically to Canadian history, I think this deletion should have been listed at some of the Canadian wiki pages, so you would get comment from people with some knowledge of Canadian history, instead of comments from editors who have no idea why the category could be significant. Two good places to list it would be Wikipedia talk:WikiProject History of Canada and Wikipedia talk:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board. I only learnt the category had been deleted when editors started deleting it from bio pages of Upper Canadian politicians I follow. Advance notice would have been preferable. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 15:37, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category not deleted yet

See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 12#Category:American anti–illegal immigration activists, the category should be deleted by now, shouldn't it? You closed the discussion the 20th. Categories of other discussions you closed that day have been deleted. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:42, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Marcocapelle, added here, thanks for spotting. Qwerfjkltalk 08:37, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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"Triple Jeopardy!" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Category:Parishes of Europe / America

Hi, You have closed this proposal. Does the decision preclude me from creating an new category call Category:Civil parishes in Europe? Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:48, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Laurel Lodged, wouldn't that fall under WP:SHAREDNAME? — Qwerfjkltalk 10:52, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not if I also created Category:Church parishes in Europe. Both could then have the same parent ( Category:Parishes of Europe ) which would become a container category with only two members. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:57, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Laurel Lodged, I would suggest having another CfD discussion about it, given the previous discussion, which had mixed views. — Qwerfjkltalk 11:01, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
OK. This might be a first at WP:CFD - "permisson to create a new category please". BTW, love your personal categories. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:03, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

CFD categories

Hello, Qwerfjkl,

I kept seeing Category:17th-century British literature and Category:Gladiators (UK TV series) on the nightly Empty Categories list and I finally looked at them again tonight. I found you had closed the CFDs that involved these categories yesterday. Is there a reason that you didn't tag these categories for deletion after you closed the CFDs? They were already emptied so they didn't require any removal of pages/categories by a bot.

You and Marco use to do this when you were done closing CFDs but for some reason, over the past month or so, I never see categories deleted through CFDs come up as uncontroversial deletions, CSD G6, any more. Was there some problem with how you were handling these closures? Because I thought that it was a very efficient system. Liz Read! Talk! 01:17, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Liz, I've switched to listing these at Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion/Working now, regardless of how much work needs to be done, so that they can be processed by the WP:CFD/W bot. They tend to get added to the bot page by an admin within a week.
It looks like I forgot to list Category:17th-century British literature, however.
I used to manually carry out the outcome of every CfD discussion, but it took far too much time, and there are still a severe shortage of closers at CfD. — Qwerfjkltalk 07:30, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Implementation of rename for Category:Volcanoes of the New Zealand seabed

Hi. The CFD for Category:Volcanoes of the New Zealand seabed was closed as rename several days ago. I'm not sure of the process from here. How/when does it get implemented? Is it in progress, or is there a step that has been delayed, or is someone else responsible? Sorry for not being familiar with the process. Thanks. Nurg (talk) 04:17, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Nurg, I've listed it at Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion/Working. An admin will move it to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Working sometime. — Qwerfjkltalk 07:15, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Nurg (talk) 11:08, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Renaming discussion was shallow to coin a pun

Please see Category talk:Seamounts of New Zealand ChaseKiwi (talk) 21:40, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rag Shop

Is Rag Shop notable enough to be in the list of defunct retailers of the United States? 2601:584:101:80B0:D7A:766A:BB3E:869E (talk) 18:37, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2601:584:101:80B0:D7A:766A:BB3E:869E, based on Talk:List of defunct retailers of the United States § Inclusion criteria, if there are reliable sources noting it, it can stay; otherwise, you can be bold and remove it. — Qwerfjkltalk 22:15, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Based on the fact that there's no article for it, it can probably go, as per the discussion. — Qwerfjkltalk 22:18, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rathfelder

As Bigwig7 turns out to be Rathfelder, would this affect your closure of August_15#Category:Judges_educated_at_Eton_College? Oculi (talk) 01:47, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Oculi, not really. — Qwerfjkltalk 07:33, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough; just asking. Oculi (talk) 11:18, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Question from Jasmeet2001 (11:15, 9 November 2022)

How can i get my profile url? --Jasmeet2001 (talk) 11:15, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Jasmeet2001, please can you clarify what you're trying to do. What is your 'profile'? — Qwerfjkltalk 17:05, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, Qwerfjkl,

This empty category is tagged with a CFD tag that makes it appear to be part of a CFD discussion you closed but I don't see this category in the bundled list. Do you have any ideas of what's going on here? Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 01:12, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Liz, looks like Hemiauchenia didn't add this to the list after tagging it for discussion, presumably by mistake. I assume it only contained subcats that were deleted due to that discussion, so you can probably just delete it. — Qwerfjkltalk 01:18, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, this an oversight on my part. Apologies. Hemiauchenia (talk) 01:28, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RE ULSS

Yes, it's not unambiguous as a reference to the unduly lenient sentence scheme. But it's also presently a redlink, so it's not helping anyone resolve what it means in any context at all. If someone comes along and writes articles for those other uses (or expands articles, or realises that existing articles already cover those other uses, etc), they can turn the redirect into a disambig as and when; in the meantime, the redirect would be serving a useful purpose to readers. Wikipedia's malleable and we don't need to get it absolutely perfect the first time; we can fix things up and improve them, and make incremental changes that are better than nothing. So, will you please create the redirect, as suggested, so that readers can get some value, even if it's not the absolutely platonic perfect result that an encyclopaedia with infinite resources would have? 80.7.186.76 (talk) 15:34, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

80.7.186.76, first of all, thanks a lot for your redirect work.
However, per WP:REDLINK, it's better to keep ULSS as a redlink. Readers can use the search bar for this. — Qwerfjkltalk 16:03, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Search would be useless in this case, as the acronym isn't used in the article (I wrote it talking about 'the scheme'). I also don't see where WP:REDLINK covers this situation - could you please quote the part that you find relevant? 80.7.186.76 (talk) 16:49, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]