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Prepubertal differences in sexes

The following section should be clarified: "Until the maturation of their reproductive capabilities, the pre-pubertal physical differences between boys and girls are the external sex organs." - if the idea is to say that the only difference in physical appearance is the external sex organs, it should be changed to reflect that to be more unambiguous. See below. - Articate (talk) 10:48, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I hope the above edit-request is done properly. In the intro to the page, it says " Until the maturation of their reproductive capabilities, the pre-pubertal physical differences between boys and girls are the external sex organs." with no source. I am new to editing on wiki, so didn't want to add a [citaton needed], since I'm not sure what would be the right course of action. Reading the article, I was mostly interested in the source behind it. What statements should be sourced, and/or am I missing something?

Articate (talk) 22:39, 6 July 2020 (UTC) Articate[reply]

Seem pretty basic knowledge to me. Adding a citation needed would be a bit of a stretch.--Aréat (talk) 08:02, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This is not basic knowledge. There are many differences between the sexes already at birth and up to puberty. There are differences in bone mass [1], insulin resistance [2], motor performances [3]. Boys also have more asthma than girls [4]. These are just a few sources. There are provable differences. So if there are provable differences, they are not the same. So the statement should be refined, and should be cited. Articate (talk) 10:35, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at this again, I think the problem is that it says "physical differences", when the idea might have been to say "difference in physical appearance". This should be clarified. - Articate (talk) 10:48, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9851763/
  2. ^ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9851763/
  3. ^ https://www.researchgate.net/publication/237837872_Gender_Differences_in_Fundamental_Movement_Patterns_Motor_Performances_and_Strength_Measurements_of_Prepubertal_Children
  4. ^ https://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749%2810%2900995-4/pdf
Agreed,  Done – Thjarkur (talk) 12:16, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding this, this and this? I made this, this and this edit explaining why I changed the text to the following: "Before puberty, the external sex organs, known as primary sexual characteristics, are sex characteristics that distinguish boys and girls. Puberty leads to sexual dimorphism through the development of the secondary sex characteristics, which further distinguish the sexes." Yes, there are physical differences between boys and girls before puberty; so we shouldn't imply or state that the sex organs are the only physical differences before that point. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 00:08, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Aréat, regarding this, this and this (followup statement here)? Although your "While the only major difference in physical appearance between prepubescent boys and girls are the external sex organs" wording is an improvement over your previous wording, I'm trying to figure out why you are stuck on this and why you think it's more accurate than the wording I used and reverted to moments ago. You also reintroduced typos. "Know" should be "known" and "puberty lead" should be "puberty leads." Right now, I'm wondering if I should bring WP:Anatomy and WP:Med into this. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 01:43, 11 July 2020 (UTC) Tweaked post. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 01:45, 11 July 2020 (UTC) [reply]
Thanks for the typos correction. I'm going back to the previous sentence because yours lack the wording showing the before/after difference, and has some redundancies. The details of the little differences between boys and girls are interesting and should be added in the article with sources, not in the lead. Cordially.--Aréat (talk) 09:42, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Aréat, as seen here, when where you were reverted by Crossroads, you re-added the latest wording you'd added before (typo fixes aside). Again, you haven't explained why you think it's more accurate/better than the wording I used. You stated, "The details of the little differences between boys and girls are interesting and should be added in the article with sources, not in the lead." My wording summarizes part of the article without claiming that "the only major difference in physical appearance between prepubescent boys and girls are the external sex organs." It's your "the only major difference in physical appearance between prepubescent boys and girls are the external sex organs" wording that needs sourcing. It also is not lower in the article. I'll go ahead and contact WP:Anatomy and WP:Med about this for wider input. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 23:58, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Articate: Those sources are primary sources and for medical matters primary sources are discouraged per policy on Wikipedia. It would be better to either use a meta analysis or a developmental biology textbook as source. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 14:37, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
ChristianKl, yes, while WP:MEDRS (a guideline, not a policy) does not state that primary sources can't be used, non-primary sources are preferred and primary sources are more of an occasional or case-by-case matter (per that guideline). But at least the editor looked for sources. No need to ping me if you reply. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 16:28, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Boys puberty growth spurt happen age 12-13 years. Boy should be able to reach a height of 6ft.

Is 6 ft tall yes. 69.67.84.29 (talk) 16:09, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Second post-natal HPG activation or "Mini Puberty"

Should there be a section about "mini puberty" if so we can redirect to the HPG axis article. NOKGRIMM (talk) 12:34, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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