Talk:Valentine's Day

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gratuitous bloat

The article is largely an ever-growing list of fancruft, unfounded trivia. At 107K, the resultant bulk vastly outweighs the topic's importance. Rather than including every VD outcropping worldwide, all that stuff deserves to be removed, because either

1. if it's at all significant, then BY DEFINITION there is a similar (likely better) list published somewhere else, which ought to be cited in the article and otherwise minimally reproduced here, or
2. no such list(s) exist, therefore the information isn't significant enough to deserve inclusion in a Wikipedia article

Choose one. Synthesis remains synthesis, whether a mile-long list is created by one editor or by a hundred.

VD is not really "a holiday" because NOBODY gets job vacation, there are no parades, and government offices continue to function. (I at least get a paid day off for Citizen's Day.) What is celebrated IS NOT a Catholic feast day of any significance, and I'm pretty sure no Pope has sanctioned Hallmark Cards or Fanny Farmer as purveyors of official indulgences.

Because of all the useless padding, the page is bulky, unwieldy, reader-unfriendly, and likely a bad match with smartphones. Per Wikipedia:Too much detail,

…one should consider the significance of his/her additions. Is it something the topic is widely known for? What is its connection to the topic's notability? Any indiscriminate detail should be removed. Readers might lose interest when a portion of an article goes into too much detail on one specific aspect. Other times, readers might question how so much detail on something is important to the topic. Wikipedia is not supposed to be a collection of every single fact about a subject.

When an article or section has too much content and becomes bloated, it is common for other editors to place the {{Overly detailed}} or {{Very long}} tags within an article. In such instances, delete details that can be reasonably removed.

Per Wikipedia:Article size:

Readable prose size	What to do
> 100 kB	Almost certainly should be divided
> 60 kB	Probably should be divided (although the scope of a topic can sometimes justify the added reading material)
> 50 kB	May need to be divided (likelihood goes up with size)
< 40 kB	Length alone does not justify division
< 1 kB	If an article or list has remained this size for over a couple of months, consider combining it with a related page. Alternatively, the article could be expanded; see Wikipedia:Stub.

Inarguably, WP articles on holidays and "holidays" are frequent target for fanboy bloat. Comparisons: Christmas stands at 164K, Halloween at 146K, Thanksgiving (United States) 106K, New Year's Day 47K, Saint Patrick's Day 82K, Yom Kippur 51K, Hanukkah 95K, May Day 45K, Martin Luther King Jr. Day 29K, Arbor Day 32K, Flag Day (United States) 19K.

So, ship the trivia elsewhere, or delete it entirely. Knock the article size back below 50K — though I doubt it'll support even 40K.

Rather than simply eliminate the nonsense (beginning with the unsubstantiated claims), I will gladly create Saint Valentine's Day around the world.

There's your discussion.
Weeb Dingle (talk) 20:53, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

You may be forgetting that references and lots of other things aren't counted as text when measuring length, so this page is fine. Trivia is fine too, and of course it's a holiday (?) (try getting by Valentines Day in many countries if you're dating or married without considering it a holiday). Randy Kryn (talk) 21:17, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Hugs for Soldiers and Conversation Hearts

Really? A photo of the candies and no mention in the text?

Also, see this.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:06, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Request of Help

I was looking for some small help. I created an article Valentine's Day in Pakistan. While article subject orientation is related to Romance relationships and festival, but in some parts of the world it touches serious issues like violations of women's rights & Human rights At this stage looking for help in better chronological order within article, and continued copy edit help in times to come.

Thanks in advance.

Bookku (talk) 05:00, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Proposing new section 'Antagonism'

Time to time various some global pockets in countries like Russia, countries in south Asia, and many Islamic countries mild to serious level of Antagonism against celebration of Valentine's day is observed on Socio-religio-cultural-political garb. For many of conservatives freedom of expression and choice specially of women remains to be serious concern.

instances of hate attacks and restrictions

In conflict ridden Yemen, on eve of Valentine's day, war lord Huthi assailants attacked and beat young men any many restrictions on women for attempting to celebrate the Valentine's day.

References

1. No reference to the use of "valentine" as one's special lover on the holiday / 2. Valentines Day as an alternative colloquial name/spelling?

I'm not a regular contributor, so I can't make edits on a semi-protected page. I was surprised to see almost zero acknowledgement that the word valentine is popularly used to refer to one's unique or special lover/love interest on the holiday. (It is only indirectly accounted for in a handful of sample excerpts of Valentine's Day poetry or valentines (cards/letters).) Perhaps a brief note to this effect could be added under the "Celebration and status worldwide" section, where the use of the word valentine in reference to the Valentine's Day cards is documented. At the same time (as was my original interest when I discovered this gap), one could mention that an alternative name for "Valentine's Day" is actually/arguably "Valentines Day" (i.e., without the apostrophe) based on indirect/subconscious reanalysis of the holiday name as being the day for "valentines" (i.e. day of lovers on this day officially known as (St.) Valentine's Day) as opposed to the day named after St. Valentine.

Good points, thanks. Will look at the source you mention, and hopefully others will add too this discussion. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:02, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Iranian Valentine's day article proposed move

It has been proposed @ Talk:Opposition to Valentine's day in Iran#Requested move 8 February 2021 page that Opposition to Valentine's day in Iran be renamed and moved to Valentine's day in Iran. Requesting all wikipedians interested in the topic to share their opinions @ Talk:Opposition to Valentine's day in Iran#Requested move 8 February 2021.

Thanks and regards

Bookku (talk) 11:07, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Formatting correction in Notes

Note 1 has a full bibliographic citation written out in the text rather than using an inline. This is easily fixable in the Markup (I'd do it myself but I'm not auto-confirmed yet) Chrishillflute (talk) 11:53, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Bestagon ⬡ 18:35, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2021

I wish to change the name of this holiday's wikipage to 'Saint Valentine's Day' because that is supposed to be the proper name of the holiday. 'Valentine's Day' should be the nickname. 173.238.231.208 (talk) 19:15, 16 February 2021 (UTC)Nisarg Mistry

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 13:03, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

I disagree. Valentine's Day is used so commonly that it has become more or less the "correct" name for the holiday. AidTheWiki (talk) 22:31, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Non-Religious Saint Day?

Saint Valentine's Day, is, as you may have guessed, a saint's day. All Saints' Days have been Christian holidays for a very long time. However, recently it has become more of a non-religious holiday, (a few examples of non-religious holidays are Halloween, Veterans' Day, and New Year's Day) and more like a day for people to express their love for one another. In my opinion, it is now debatable as to if it is actually a "Saint's Day.' Let me know your opinions, AidTheWiki (talk) 22:43, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Valentine's day in the Muslim world into Valentine's Day

This whole article was copied from Valentine's Day without giving any attributions. Anywasy, i see no good reason to split from Valentine's Day (just to add "Muslim world" in the title?). This should be merge. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 16:09, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

No, because there many articles in Wikipedia with this or related topic. For example- Valentine's Day in Pakistan, Valentine's Day in Iran, Valentine's Day in India etc. Wiki N Islam (talk) 13:35, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Merge per nom. The only unique content from this article which was not copied from the main Valentine's Day article is the section on views and a copywriting of the lead. If content was entirely unique, there would be a better case for keeping the articles split, however, the amount of unique content on this page can very easily be merged into Valentine's Day or any other related articles. Babegriev (talk) 20:28, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Jack Reynolds (talk to me | email me) 13:20, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2022

In the section "Spain", please add the following sentence:

The holiday was first introduced in Spain in a 1948 ad campaign by the department store chain [[Galerías Preciados]]<ref name="abc_es" /> and had become widespread by the 1970s.<ref name="abc_es">{{Cite web|date=2014-02-13|title=Y San Valentín llegó a España de mano de Galerías Preciados|url=https://www.abc.es/historia/20140214/abci-valentin-llego-espana-201401281300.html|access-date=2022-02-14|website=[[ABC (newspaper)|ABC]]|language=es}}</ref>

194.105.229.202 (talk) 11:43, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done. Heartmusic678 (talk) 13:54, 21 February 2022 (UTC)