User talk:Notech25

Welcome!

Hello, Notech25, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of your recent edits to the page British Rail Class 43 (HST) did not conform to Wikipedia's verifiability policy, and may have been removed. Wikipedia articles should refer only to facts and interpretations verified in reliable, reputable print or online sources or in other reliable media. Always provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is likely to be challenged, or it may be removed. Wikipedia also has a related policy against including original research in articles.

If you are stuck and looking for help, please see the guide for citing sources or come to The Teahouse, where experienced Wikipedians can answer any queries you have! Here are a few other good links for newcomers:

The five pillars of Wikipedia
Introduction tutorial
Contributing to Wikipedia
How to edit a page
Introduction to referencing
Help pages
Simplified Manual of Style
Task Center – need some ideas of what kind of things need doing? Go here.

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need personal help ask me on my talk page, or ask a question on your talk page. Again, welcome. Danners430 (talk) 07:39, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,

Thank you for your feedback and apologies as I am still new here

I recently visited Laira where the power car 43188 was stationed, and have photos of said power car.

About the information relating to the original decoration of both 43187 and 43188, I have a link to photos of 43188 before Geraint Thomas won the Tour De France, as well as current photos of 43187 taken in September and October of this year. If possible, I would like to avoid publishing my images.

Also, is there a way the article can be rolled back once the information is verified, I would rather like to avoid writing all of that again 😅

Thank you

https://www.flickr.com/photos/privicy_of_charlie/33874703722 Notech25 (talk) 22:16, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also I have noticed the decals on the side of 43188 which clearly state ‘Geraint Thomas winner of the Tour De France 2018’ or the like. These were added at the same time as the yellow leotard, so I feel this does not require a source. Notech25 (talk) 22:21, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I also have photos of 43313’s cab in storage at Laira Notech25 (talk) 22:25, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Photographs and Flickr are not reliable sources under WP:UGC. What you are writing would also fall foul of WP:OR.

Also, simply re-adding unsourced content so you “don’t forget” is still adding unsourced content, so it doesn’t belong on Wikipedia as a general rule. Danners430 (talk) 22:59, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To expand upon @Danners430's message, Wikipedia has a long-standing and generally-agreed policy on the verifiability of information that is included in articles. It begins:

In the English Wikipedia, verifiability means other people using the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source. Wikipedia does not publish original research. Its content is determined by previously published information rather than editors' beliefs, opinions, or experiences. Even if you are sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it.

This stands alongside the policy on using reliable sources. As part of this, there is a general presumption against the use of photographs found on Flickr as sources for Wikipedia content, which is explained in the policy on user-generated content.

With regards to your own photographs; even if they were not automatically disqualified by the fact that they're unpublished, they would almost certainly be invalid as a source on the basis that they constitute original research.

Please understand that your willingness to contribute is greatly appreciated nonetheless, but these policies are central to the ensuring Wikipedia's quality and integrity. XAM2175 ^(T) 23:31, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So if there is information that is not mentioned by reputable sources that is clearly proven in a photo then the information is invalid? What about the cab of 43313? Accessing Laira isn’t normally possible, so the information will not be present anywhere else.

If the only source of a certain piece of information is a photograph (that can very easily be verified), then why is Wikipedia denying extra depth of knowledge? Notech25 (talk) 12:15, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]