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WP : NPOV

Hi, I’m a bit strapped for time, also have zero experience as a Wikipedia editor so apologies and TIA if anyone is willing to help.

I’ve just come across a page which was has already been flagged for NPOV but hasn’t been touched since 2009. imv it would be worth updating this page to reflect academic criticisms as WP is making efforts to get pages up about women this seems a great page to update but I’m so newb it would be great to get in touch with an experienced editor focussed on psychology just to ask a few preliminary questions about the research involved eg. I cannot find any responses from her re: lit review through scholar.g She’s also done considerable work since 2009 in the same area of research but slightly tangential so it might be that I’m looking in the wrong place to find any response. best regards TIA EthicalAugur (talk) 09:03, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

EthicalAugur, which article is this? -- Hoary (talk) 09:24, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Oh, I was sure I posted the link, apologies, it’s WP:Sonja_Lyubomirsky

i don’t know if that’s how I’m supposed to link? EthicalAugur (talk) 15:14, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Sonja Lyubomirsky Sarrail (talk) 15:15, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Her book Layous & Lyubomirsky (2014). The how, why, what, when, and who of happiness.

and a lit rev. https://doi.org/10.1080/17439760.2019.1651888

which covers some of her research into gratitude and it’s relationship to happiness.

Can fill you in on details but basically I think that the page needs an update as this content in coming up in UG studies. EthicalAugur (talk) 15:22, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

EthicalAugur, I took a look at the article Sonja Lyubomirsky. I am not impressed. For example the lead tells us that she's the author of the bestseller The How of Happiness: A Scientific Approach to Getting the Life You Want, a book of strategies backed by scientific research that can be used to increase happiness. Well, booze, dope, exercise, "retail therapy" and more can be used with the aim of increasing happiness. This doesn't mean that they're efficacious. I suppose that what's meant by both Lyubomirsky and the cited source is that these "strategies" really are efficacious. And for all I know, they are. But what's the cited source? The institution of which Lyubomirsky is an employee. Not good! (It should be a disinterested source.) So feel free to improve the article. Start with minor and modest improvements (scrupulously referenced), and continue to rather more substantial improvements (also scrupulously referenced). Always click "Show preview" and check what you've done before clicking "Publish changes". You say that you think you may be "looking in the wrong place to find any response" relevant to Lyubomirsky's work. I'm not a psychologist and neither are most people looking at this talk page; a better place to ask would be Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Psychology. -- Hoary (talk) 04:37, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Add a New Page

Im looking to create a Brand New Wiki Page. Not sure how to start. How would that process work? Koolbotkid91 (talk) 16:29, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Ello' Koolbotkid, you can go to the Article Wizard and start there. A word of thumb, must declare a conflict of interest when you write a Wikipedia article.

If I may ask, what do you plan to write about? A1139530 (talk) 16:33, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

@A1139530 That was a bit confusing, at least to me. The editor only needs to declare a COI if there is a COI, and that is determined by what the OP plans to write about. Your advice might have left the impression that an editor (or a new editor) always needs to declare that a COI exists. Maybe I was reading your message too strictly. David10244 (talk) 04:51, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

I worded this very badly. I meant to write "If there is a COI, don't forget to declare it". Sorry @Koolbotkid91 for the confusion. A1139530 (talk) 19:07, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes, that makes more sense. Thanks. David10244 (talk) 11:15, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

• Hello Koolbotkid91 and thanks for stopping by to ask this question. There's some good guidance for writing your first Wikipedia article at Help:Your first article. The most important thing to glean from that is step 1 is gathering all of your source material first before you begin to write and to cite your sources as you go. By far, the most common cause of deleted or rejected articles is a lack of sourcing, so start there and then get to writing. Good luck! --Jayron32 16:35, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

  Hiya Koolbotkid91! Writing a brand new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia. It's usually better to start with out tutorial so that you can get the hang of how the site works a bit. The number one reason I think articles fail is that the article fails to show how the subject meets our notability requirements. From my perspective, it is best to read through nor notability policies and find which subset of those requirements the article would fall under. Then, determine which notability statement(s) you will assert in that article, and then provide adequately independent and reliable sources that prove the assertion of notability. Good luck! UtherSRG (talk) 17:18, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Assistance

Myself Azhar Y. Tantary, a researcher by profession. I intend to publish a Wikipedia article for my book entitled "Wavelet Transforms: Kith and Kin" where the students and researchers can initiate useful discussions and any queries will be openly addressed. Could somebody assist me in this matter? Azhar92 (talk) 18:35, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Azhar92, welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that is not the purpose of Wikipedia. Wikipedia is a collection of articles on notable subjects, not a discussion venue or question/answer forum for those subjects; every conversation on Wikipedia should (in theory) be at least tangentially related to improving Wikipedia. If your book is notable per WP:NBOOK, it's possible to have an article on it, but you must declare your conflict of interest per WP:COI when making any related edits. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:40, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much. Azhar92 (talk) 05:49, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

COURTESY to Teahouse hosts: at Draft:Wavelet Transforms: Kith and Kin, Declined. Among many flaws, hyperlinks not allowed except in an Edternal links section; references must be embedded in text (see Help:Referencing for beginners); an article about a book requires references about the book (reviews, etc.), NOT the science; much less information about the authors. David notMD (talk) 21:29, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

@Azhar92 Thers are probably sites on the 'net where this can be done, but as mentioned, Wikipedia is not the place. Perhaps another host or lurker has a suggestion for where this can be accomplished. David10244 (talk) 04:58, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, David. Azhar92 (talk) 05:50, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Well, here's hoping that the Teahouse hosts will have some suggestions! David10244 (talk) 11:18, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

There are some alternatives at Wikipedia:Alternative outlets that might fit what the OP is looking for. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:50, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Test

Was wondering if I can exist 205.56.181.196 (talk) 18:57, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP Address! Yes, you can exist. However, I do not believe this test is constructive to the teahouse. If you like, create a Wikipedia Account. A1139530 (talk) 19:00, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

This IP address has made hundreds of edits, dating back years, so yes, it exists. If you were the editor for any of those, I confirm that you exist, too. David notMD (talk) 21:35, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

If the IP is a bot or AI, it might exist, but not be sentient. Maybe it's asking for consciousness, but we can't help with that here. David10244 (talk) 05:00, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

This is genuinely the funniest thing I've seen today. But more to the point, what is the ip editor actually asking? Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 16:26, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Related to the IP possibly being AI, Wikipedia has Artificial intelligence, so why doesn't it have Natural intelligence? David notMD (talk) 16:36, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Great question @David notMD! In the spirit of Teahouse answers, "feel free to write the article yourself. Here are some links to get you started....." (just kidding) David10244 (talk) 11:21, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Inuit sun and moon myth

A couple days ago the page Malina (mythology) looked like this. No proper citations.

So I looked into it, and tracked down several versions that cite where they heard the story from:

• The Arctic Sky (1998) has 2 versions, from the storytellers George Kappianaq and Hervé Paniaq, both from Igloolik.
• Knud Rasmussen's Report of the Fifth Thule Expedition 1921–24 has 2 versions, one from the Pâdlermiut storyteller Kibkârjuk and one from the Iglulik storyteller Ivaluardjuk.
• Franz Boas's The Central Eskimo (1888) has an Akudnirmiut and Oqomiut version of the story, though the storyteller's name is not cited.

What's not included in any of these cited versions is the name "Malina".

• Sister's name:
  • Unnamed (3 versions)
  • Siqiniq, literally "sun" (2 versions)
• Brother's name
  • Aningaat (2 versions)
  • Unnamed (2 versions)
  • Taqqiq, literally "moon" (1 version)

One more half-source is Frank Wilbert Stokes's painting in the Eskimo Hall of the American Museum of Natural History in 1909. It's the image that's the artwork for both the pages Malina (mythology) and Igaluk. In the pamphlet on it, the figures' names are spelled Ahn-ing-ah-neh and Sukh-eh-nukh -- clearly an early attempt to spell Aningaat and Siqiniq.

Plus, "Malina" doesn't even sound like an Inuit word. Initially I thought it was just an usual name. But with this as well, I now think it's an internet myth.

I've done a write-up of the cited versions here. Since the name Malina is wrong, and the page Igaluk is basically just a clone of it since its the same story, I think the best thing to do now would be to delete the pages and create a single new page called "Sun and Moon (Inuit myth)" or something. What's the protocol around such things? Eievie (talk) 00:08, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

@Eievie: Start a discussion on the article's talk page, and get input from and consensus with other interested editors. RudolfRed (talk) 01:06, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

@RudolfRed I already tried that, but as a low-traffic page I'm not getting anything. Eievie (talk) 01:22, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Eievie, I recommend moving the article to a more appropriate title and removing any names that cannot be verified. Cullen328 (talk) 01:31, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Eievie, I found this book published in 1923 that says In the myth the sun is called Malina , no doubt a derivative of the verb maligpoq ' she is pursued ' , the name of the persecuted woman in the cult; the name of the moon is given as Aningat , which signifies "their elder brother". So, it is not an internet myth. Cullen328 (talk) 01:43, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

In a 1970 book by Claude Lévi-Strauss and his colleagues, they wrote On sait que les gens du Mackenzie et les Groenlandais orientaux nomment la fille - soleil Malina (Maligna) , contrairement aux autres groupes qui lui réservent le nom de Seqineq (Suqunuq) My French skills are crude at best but it seems that this verifies the usage as well. Cullen328 (talk) 02:03, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

That's interesting, thanks. I'll work those sources in. That said, I still think it remains that the name "Malina" is a somewhat uncommon detail in versions of this story, not a consistent feature. That the Malina page and the Igaluk page have the same content also remains. I'm still basically of the opinion that merging and remaining them would be better. Eievie (talk) 17:12, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

So I've got the Malina page remade. Who do I talk to about deleting the superfluous Igaluk page? Eievie (talk) 01:29, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

@Eievie Presumably the Igaluk article wouldn't be deleted but would be converted into a redirect to the other. You can discuss this at its Talk Page, maybe making some of the relevant Project members aware of your suggestion. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:55, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

I can put a message there, but as an extremely low-traffic page I don't expect any response. I changed Aningan and Anningan to redirect to Sun and moon (Inuit myth), but I'm still looking for a citation of the story that actually uses the name Igaluk before I lump that one in there too. Eievie (talk) 18:40, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Why did Sinbot

please why and what is the essence of signing our comments or posts by Sinbot — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheAutumns (talk • contribs) 05:33, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, the purpose of User:Sinebot is to help you sign your reply if you forgotten to do so. We are required to sign our reply in talk pages using ~~~~ at the end of every reply made, you read more about it WP:SIG. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:20, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Famous figure lying about age

Hi there. I keep updating the wiki page of Stephen Sharer to add his correct birthday as he is lying to children about his age. I keep adding his real age of 30 but it is constantly getting deleted and I am not sure why, thanks in advance. 2600:1015:B063:16E2:482B:3FC:52E6:BE4A (talk) 06:13, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Maybe you need to give a reliable source for his birthday! --Bduke (talk) 06:17, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

it's going trying to login with Google and try to log in with you doing with this every day I'm tired I've had it I'd rather just go without 2600:1700:DDD0:AE90:C58C:24BC:3956:268 (talk) 06:24, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi there , confused about your last message about Google, could you elaborate? He has wiped the internet of his real age and due to the fact that he works with children I think it is important to be added. This will sound crazy but would a link to a yearbook with photographic evidence work? I don’t seem to have any other way to prove it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1015:B063:16E2:482B:3FC:52E6:BE4A (talk) 06:29, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Why does it matter "for children" if he is 24 or 30? His Wikipedia article does not include his age or birthdate, as far as I can see. David10244 (talk) 11:51, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Is am just worried for minors and am not sure what else to do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1015:B063:16E2:482B:3FC:52E6:BE4A (talk) 06:32, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

We require an impeccably reliable source for a date of birth. This is mandatory and not negotiable. If reliable sources differ, we provide both and explain the contradiction. Being "worried for minors" is nice but does not justify straying from our policies and guidelines. Cullen328 (talk) 07:39, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

I don't understand what the concern for minors is. 331dot (talk) 09:57, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

I guess that a 24-year-old might be thought less mature and less capable of dealing with children than a 30-year-old? Maybe? But quite a few 24-y-olds are themselves parents, and I'm sure we all know very immature quadragenarians, so... It's all very peculiar. --bonadea contributions talk 17:57, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

• Wikipedia relies on reliable sources to verify information, especially about living people. This discussion is probably more suitable for WP:BLPN. GiantSnowman 10:59, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

bingx.com draft improvement

Hi

hope you doing well

I need help for improving the draft of bingx.com article and please let me know exactly where my mistakes in this draft is and help me to modify it

thank you so much Sedrezahosseini (talk) 11:19, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Sedrezahosseini Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You have submitted it for a review; the reviewer will give you any feedback. A previous reviewer has left you comments on the draft as well. 331dot (talk) 11:21, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Likely not notable, and needs copyediting... which I am not inclined to do, since I predict the draft will be declined. That's my opinion; sorry. We'll see. David10244 (talk) 11:39, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

speedy deletion of "Dedert corporation"

hi there, wiki administration

First, I apologize for not understanding the copyright restrictions.

One of our company profiles should be posted on Wikipedia to assist our customers in finding information using Wikipedia's best detailed system.

So, I tried to include our firm profile and other information that is already on our website. I used several common words in both my online and wiki introductions. I saved it as a draft, but today I received information that a copyright issue had been transferred from our company's website to our wiki profile. However, we have not received any copyright notices or emails.

If you allow me to back up the work you've removed or construct a fresh one, it will be more beneficial to reproduce with the directions you've previously warned about.

Thank you to the wiki team for working on authentication and perfection. In the same way, guide us. We'll provide an excellent platform for the people.

Thanks

SM Faysal

web developer

Dedert Corporation Smfaysal1011 (talk) 13:16, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Smfaysal1011 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. First, you must make a formal paid editing disclosure; this is a Terms of Use requirement and mandatory.

Second, Wikipedia has no interest in aiding your customers, or in enhancing search results for your company. We don't have "profiles", not a single one. Wikipedia has articles, typically written by independent editors wholly unconnected with the subject. Any article about your company must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable company. Wikipedia is not interested in what a company says about itself. 331dot (talk) 13:26, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Any content deleted for copyright infringement will not be restored. First step is declaring paid on your User page (See WP:PAID). Then, use WP:YFA to create and submit a draft. References need to be independent from any content created by the company. WP:NCORP may help. Be aware that if you do succeed in creating a draft and having it accepted, after that milestone you are prohibited from any future editing of the article. Instead, you will be limited to making suggestions on the Talk page of the article, for an independent editor to accept or deny. Lastly, once an article exists, anyone can edit it. If there is valid negative published content about the company (lawsuits, etc.) that may be added. David notMD (talk) 16:19, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Your creation and Edit summaries for Draft:Swapno Sarothi make clear that you have either a WP:PAID or WP:COI connection, so declare that also. David notMD (talk) 16:23, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

@Smfaysal1011 As for the "Swapno Sarothi" draft: Encyclopedia articles do not use the word "we". David10244 (talk) 11:44, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

David10244

pls review once again,

i think, this time all okay.

i thought i should wright as they talk on their website.

Thanks Smfaysal1011 (talk) 17:47, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

No, i'm not paid.

i took research and i know their activities. As a first time continuator, i took some wrong words.

Consider this situation as a new contributor. Smfaysal1011 (talk) 17:51, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@Smfaysal1011: It’s OK to be a paid editor, or to have a conflict of interest. It’s not OK to lie about it and waste other editor’s time.

I do not find it very likely that the same person would, within two days, decide to independently research and write articles that look a lot like advertisements for both an American chemical company and a Bengali non-profit.

I also find it unlikely that lack of familiarity with Wikipedia causes someone to write I tried to include our firm profile and other information that is already on our website. I used several common words in both my online and wiki introductions. A mistake in English also seems unlikely. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:43, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Dave Bachinsky

Hey Good Morning, Draft:Dave Bachinsky

Trying to figure out the best way to update this page so it's approved. All the references are to real pages but it wasn't approved Roll Forever (talk) 17:36, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Roll Forever Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The reviewer left some advice for you on the draft. Do you have specific questions about it? 331dot (talk) 17:40, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

I just fixed all the links and updated some wording. Is there anything specific I should be changing? Roll Forever (talk) 17:49, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Among other things, nothing should be bold except his name. And delete all the contest history. And reference all the stuff at the top. and other stuff. David notMD (talk) 18:17, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Roll Forever. You need to remove all promotional language and bring the draft into compliance with the Neutral point of view. Sentences such as With precision transition skills and ability to huck down a massive set of stairs, Bachinsky has what it takes to be a top contender in any skateboarding contest. Insider jargon and slang like "huck" should be avoided. Cullen328 (talk) 21:48, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much for revision. I'm just about to resubmit. Have an amazing weekend Roll Forever (talk) 01:06, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

This will be declined again. Everything from the top down to Shapethree needs to be referenced, and if not posible, deleted. David notMD (talk) 03:37, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

You should also go through the article and make sure every sentence is grammatically correct. In the "Shapethree" section, every one of the first five sentences contains at least one grammatical error. CodeTalker (talk) 04:04, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Table for species and how many of them

I am making a article about Cow Bayou in User:HelpingWorld/sandbox, and I am making a table for the species and the population of them. I got my info from this journal this pg 7-8. I dont know how to format the table all I need is the taxa/species and the number of it in the table, can anyone help? Thanks.`~HelpingWorld~` ^(👽🛸) 17:59, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Well, you seem to have made a competent start towards setting up a table, although I'm completely mystified as to what you have in mind to put in it. But apart from that, there's this problem. I looked at your source, and I don't think one can actually gather fish populations from it. It seems to me that what your source is saying is: FOR PURPOSES of the study, THIS MANY individuals of THIS species were caught BY THIS METHOD at THIS LOCATION. Unless I'm missing where the source extrapolates to total population, I don't think that's really usable. There's also the fact that the source is 45 years old, so even if it could give us an idea of fish populations from 1987, it probably isn't terribly relevant today. Uporządnicki (talk) 18:24, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

@User:AzseicsoK, but your saying the fish species in the source still can be used correct cause last time I checked the same specieses are in the bayou.HelpingWorldMobile (talk) 22:31, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

@HelpingWorldMobile If you checked (how?), that is original research which is not acceptable as a source. David10244 (talk) 03:49, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

childhood trauma and DNA methylation

Reason I am writing is that for the last thirty years I have worked as an executive coach/therapist in the UK and one of my initial trainings was in Family Therapy and how Family of Origin Dynamics plays out in the boardroom in both Government and the Corporate world.

However it now appears to me that most of that training has been overtaken by recent and emerging neurobiological research indicating how extended childhood trauma, or Complex PTSD, can lead to the Epigentic shutdown, via DNA Methylation, of the genetic capacity to produce Dopamine, Serotonin, etc ..

I've had a good look at the Family of Origin Dynamics of Putin, Trump, Johnson,( UK ),Bolsanaro, Mark Zuckerberg ,The Koch brothers and others , who all experienced extended child hood trauma. It appears to me that the Dopamine, Serotonin etc. shutdown findings to date correlate with and go a long way to explaining how and why these people behave in the toxic and dysfunctional ways they do. They evidently have large followings, as it also appears from emerging data, that approx 40% of the US adult population experienced extended traumatic child hoods making them very susceptible to strong aggressive leadership and easily triggered into a fight , flight or freeze response.

To me the implications of Dopamine shutdown as a result of Complex PTSD have huge mental health policy and strategic implications and there seems to be so little awareness of this emerging research.

Reason I am writing to you is that I am seeking further and current research findings that review and elucidate on the topic of DNA methylation and its affect on adult behaviour and psychology especially as I have a number of colleagues and journalists interested in the topic who wish to see more of the current research before going public with it.

Any current research papers or publications on the above topic you could refer me to would be greatly appreciated

I trust this email is received in the spirit of its intent

Many thanks

Sol Davidson B.SC. B.Ed. MBA, MACE (Redacted) SolDavidson (talk) 18:21, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

This almost certainly isn't the forum for this, but I'm curious. In your study, are you backing up your assertion that the individuals you name DO behave in toxic and dysfunctional ways? Or is that your starting point--an axiom, that not only doesn't need discussion, but is so preternaturally self-evident that it shouldn't even occur to anybody to discuss it? Uporządnicki (talk) 18:34, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, SolDavidson. I can suggest only two avenues for this within Wikipedia. One is to look at the articles we have on related subjects (eg Dopamine - you can probably find some more targetted articles), and see if there are any useful studies cited in them. The other is to ask at the science section of the Reference Desk, where it is possible that somebody can give you some pointers. (Like everything else in Wikipedia, this is inhabited by volunteers). ColinFine (talk) 19:10, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, SolDavidson. If Mark Zuckerberg suffered signicant childhood trauma, that is not reflected in his Wikipedia biography. Cullen328 (talk) 22:00, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

SolDavidson, our article DNA methylation has 128 references to discussion of the topic in the scientific literature. Have you read that article and its references? Cullen328 (talk) 22:06, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Sorry I failed to mention that the DNA methylation can be transmitted intergeneratioanlly and from my research his parents / grandparents were refugees from Galicia during a war phase involving Poland and Germany and Russia in the late 19th century 80.43.73.178 (talk) 18:24, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

The Teahouse is not the place for this discussion, but as a sufferer of C-PTSD and an avowed lefty anarchist-type, I am extremely offended at the idea that my diagnosis somehow makes me more likely to be a "toxic and dysfunctional" type like Trump, Putin, and that ilk, or that it makes me a "supporter" of same. Madam Fatal (talk) 21:37, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Name change protocol

Hi! First-time Wikipedia editor here. I created an awards table in the Gabrielle Zevin article. In 2005 she was longlisted for the Otherwise Award, which was then called the James Tiptree Jr. Award. The name changed occured in 2019. I linked to the wiki article on the award, link reads as Jame Tiptree Jr. Award, which is also the name I put down as the award category. Is this correct? And what's the general protocol for name changes? Thanks! Snowflower2 (talk) 18:29, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Snowflower2, and welcome to the Teahouse. You linked to the article, which is titled by the award's current name, and you made the display text the name of the award at the time. In my view that is exacttly the right way to do it. ColinFine (talk) 19:13, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! @ColinFine Snowflower2 (talk) 02:20, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Image width

Hi, on the UEFI article I used a multiple image template. I do want to make the logo a bit smaller though. But it seems that the width1 parameter is ignored. Any ideas? Thanks in advance. PhotographyEdits (talk) 20:38, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

The template page Template:Multiple_image does list its limitations. Be aware that pages are to be viewed on many different devices, so try to avoid design elements you may want to specifically optimize for a specific setup. JBX (talk) 23:37, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

How please and please

Wikipedia has many rules than any websites, Wikipedia is not such like Facebook, Instagram, Twitter e.t.c. these social medias you can do what ever you like but before you get blocked it is not common it is very hard. so why Wikipedia blocked people so fast? and how can I become useful to Wikipedia and to get respect by it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheAutumns (talk • contribs) 06:25, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@theautumns: check our introduction. lettherebedarklight晚安 06:34, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Also, Wikipedia is NOT social media. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:15, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

yeah I know Wikipedia is mostly close with google true??TheAutumns (talk) 11:23, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@TheAutumns No. Google is primarily a search engine, while Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. The rules are here so that Wikipedia does not turn into a social media or chat site. Wikipedia does not try to be Google or Facebook. You are certainly welcome here if you want to help build and improve this encyclopedia. David10244 (talk) 11:53, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Useful by learning the rules. Many new editors start out with having 'good faith' edits reverted due to ignorance of the rules, examples being adding content they know to be true, but without references, or inserting copyright protected content. Others do not comprehend neutral point of view, or want to create promotional/advertising type articles. David notMD (talk) 12:17, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

sorry please but I don't got what is this talking about what is the subject of this topicTheAutumns (talk) 13:21, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@TheAutumns You don't get what this is talking about? You made a statement, then asked two questions, then a third question. These comments are intended to be answers to your questions. David10244 (talk) 03:54, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

I would take issue with the idea that it's very hard to get blocked in Facebook. You get kicked right off Facebook, if someone there doesn't like your name. Their rules are just to make you think they have rules and do things fairly, but it's pretty arbitrary. They don't tell you why; you just find you have no account one morning. And their "mechanism" for appeal is also just for appearance; it never leads to anything--not even a reply. The only time it's ever reversed is when they do it to someone sufficiently prominent that it makes the news. Then they put out a statement that--oh, it was a mistake!--and undo it. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:32, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

How to align to center in the entire rows of a specific column in an existing large table.

There is a table of 100 rows and 5 columns.

I want to change the alignment of the 3rd column from center to left.

I know I can insert style="text-align:center" in a cell but doing this one hundred times is .. too much.

Can I do this once and apply to the entire rows of the 3rd column? Regpath (talk) 06:34, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi Regpath. This cannot be done except in some circumstances with Wikipedia:TemplateStyles which has limitations and is difficult to use. Repeating code in every row is the normal way to format a column, also with hundreds of rows. A regular expression can often add the code in every row at the same time but it can be quite tricky to get right if the table code isn't very clean and systematic. Don't try it if you aren't already familiar with regular expressions. Which page and table is it about? PrimeHunter (talk) 16:27, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Article for review

i am aware of the procedure for reviewing of articles which get submitted to articles for creation. however, what about reviewing of those articles which get directly published? if my account enables me to create and directly publish an article (which it does), how do i request a review? is there any text that i am supposed to add to the article vis-a-vis its reviewing? would be glad to know. Dissoxciate (talk) 06:59, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

They get listed automatically at Special:NewPagesFeed. - David Biddulph (talk) 08:19, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

And from there they are either approved or deleted. If you want a new article reviewed then you need to create it through the draft process. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:12, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

alright. thanks for the input. Dissoxciate (talk) 09:13, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Redlinks and Women in Red

I have come across (or added) names of people, organisations, companies, and things that probably merit Wikipedia articles. Some are subjects of articles that already exist on other wikis, some are good candidates for WP:WiR, and a few just seem like obvious omissions that someone may wish to pursue. I will pick up what I can (time permitting), though it would take me years to contribute something about all of them. What are the best forums to bring these to the attention of others? Cheers Cl3phact0 (talk) 07:57, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi Cl3phact0, there is requested articles, see WP:RA, but to be honest the list of articles already requested is enormous, and things languish there for extremely long periods. Most editors seem to pursue their own areas of interest, and fill in the blanks the encounter as they read around WP. Where articles exist on other Wikipedias, if they are of adequate quality for the English WP (which has more stringent requirements for sourcing than some), you can translate them, see WP:TRANSLATETOHERE for an overview. Elemimele (talk) 10:50, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I suppose I asked partially because the WP:RA list is so dauntingly long. Any thoughts about "Stubbing" best practice? I looked at this in passing and thought it might be a good way to get some of the articles started, but I am also wary of touching any invisible wiki-verse third rails (being fairly new to here). Cheers Cl3phact0 (talk) 11:09, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@Cl3phact0: The list would be even longer if I didn't occasionally go through and remove entries that have articles. That should tell you that subjects do get written about, eventually. As for stubbing, basically what you would be doing is writing a short overview and include some references. Nothing wrong with that. I started a few stubs myself. Some of them grow into articles, and some are still stubs (two examples of mine, Sayyid Baraka and The Train Is Coming). ~Anachronist (talk) 22:29, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Women in Red has an extensive set of its own redlink lists: Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Redlist index, which you can add to. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 11:02, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I've added a few to the list you shared. I also put a note with some others on the talk page of the project. Cheers Cl3phact0 (talk) 11:43, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Direct publish or AfC?

if i have created an article by publishing it directly; however, wish to seek a review at AfC, should i just copy the entire content of the article (which i already published), create a draft, paste it and submit to AfC? or something else? and if i do copy it to AfC, what should i do to the already published article? apply for speedy deletion or notify someone? hope the question is intelligible. Dissoxciate (talk) 11:30, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi Dissoxciate. If you would like to return your article to draft status and then submit it to WP:AFC, the easiest thing to do would be to WP:DRAFTIFY the article. Basically, you will be WP:MOVEing the page from the article namespace to the draft namespace. Once you've done that, you can then submit it to AfC for review. If your question is about Journey's End (painting), then instead of submitting it to AfC for review, maybe ask for assistance at Wikipedia:WikiProject Visual arts. At first glance, the article doesn't look all that bad; so, maybe see what some of the members of WikiProject Visual arts think about it. If it's only in need of minor improvement and notability is not a concern, then there's no need to draftify it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:37, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

hi Marchjuly. thanks a lot for the response. this is exactly what i was looking for. personally, i do think there aren't any notability issues here; i just require some additional assistance. ill check at Wikipedia:WikiProject Visual arts. gracias! Dissoxciate (talk) 12:25, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Dissoxciate, I notice two chunks within Journey's End (painting) -- challenged the British academic system of art education and the physicality of the oil medium, and He was greatly inspired by the Mughal miniature traditions and the Japanese wash technique -- that are taken verbatim from this, but without quotation marks. (There may be other unacknowledged quotations too: I didn't look.) Use quotation marks for any quotation; and do so quickly. -- Hoary (talk) 12:29, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Hoary should i add quotation marks then, or just edit the chunks to make them non-verbatim? i think the latter should suffice. Dissoxciate (talk) 12:32, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Dissoxciate, you're free to do either. NB just changing the odd word here or there would not be sufficient; you'd have to do a thorough reworking. -- Hoary (talk) 12:37, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Future f1 champions

Hello my name is osvaldo and i wanna create a list of future f1 champions until 2050 can you go to the f1 champion list and give out every single driver that was f2 f3 f4 and karting and you know ill click on the future drivers page and check out their photos of them from wikipedia and observe them as future stars wouldnt that be nice because i really really want them please 2A01:C50F:2F00:1000:2152:C195:23A:2DB0 (talk) 13:46, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

So, to clarify, you want the creation of a list of future F1 champions until 2050? It's only 2022, why extend it to 28 years later? Sarrail (talk) 13:48, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not the place for predictions. See WP:CRYSTAL. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:49, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

List of Formula One World Drivers' Champions lists champions 1950-2022. Only after a year is over is the list updated with one new name. List of Formula One drivers lists all drivers who were in at least one F1 race, with a green background for those currently active. As already mentioned, Wikipedia cannot predict who among them might win the championship in the future, or for race car drivers who have not yet competed at the F1 level yet, or not racing at any level yet, or not born yet. David notMD (talk) 14:37, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

This crystal ball's always cloudy except for when you look into the past. We do not engage in speculation for next year, let alone decades into the future. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 15:07, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

It seems to me more than likely that the future F1 champions of, say, 2045–50 have not even been born yet. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.213.188.15 (talk) 17:52, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Get page accepted

Hi, I need help adding references and making my page better, so it will get accepted. Draft:Marry Me Ollymurswiki (talk) 15:49, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Ollymurswiki Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please see Referencing for beginners. Also note that YouTube is only rarely considered an appropriate source. 331dot (talk) 15:53, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Ollymurswiki (or Wikiediter5674, to give your actual account name). Are you Olly Murs? I see that you created this account two days ago, have edited only to create this rather promotional article about an album that was released a week ago and is almost certainly WP:TOOSOON to meet Wikipedia's requirements for notability; and to upload File:Bg-c (3).jpg to commons, asserting that you were the copyright holder. This suggests very strongly to me that you are Murs, and so have a strong conflict of interest in working on this article. That doesn't prevent you from doing so, but you should make your conflict clear.

Bear in mind that a Wikipedia article should be based nearly 100% on what people wholly unconnected with the subject, and not briefed by the subject, have chosen to publish in reliable sources: for a creative work such as a music album, that usually means in-depth reviews (without interviews). If such sources do not yet exist, then no article is possible at the moment. ColinFine (talk) 18:17, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

No, I am not Murs sir, just mearly a fan Wikiediter5674 (talk) 18:42, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Then you should change your signature to something that does not suggest that you are Murs or are acting on his behalf.Sorry: you have. I thought that you must have changed your user name, but I couldn't find a log of it.

How do you come to own the copyright to the image then? ColinFine (talk) 19:23, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Wikiediter5674, you have edited Draft:Marry Me (Olly Mars album) 11 times since I posted this extremely important question, but you have not answered the question. If you are merely a fan, how does it come about that you hold the copyright on the image, as you have explicitly asserted here? ColinFine (talk) 23:19, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

navboxes not rendering on mobile?

The article Lists of The New York Times fiction best sellers uses a navbox template, and it was just brought to my attention that the navbox isn't visible on mobile. (Unless you view on desktop mode.) Is this a known bug? I'm not sure where to take this. Thanks! -- irn (talk) 17:28, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi irn. Navboxes should not be used for article content. All navboxes are deliberately omitted in mobile to reduce less relevant content on small screens. I have changed it to a list in columns.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 19:21, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Ah, okay. Thanks! -- irn (talk) 19:28, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

how do you become an editor

i literally was clicking random stuff Lol1234joejoe (talk) 17:28, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

By posting this query, you just did. If you want to know how to create an article, WP:YFA gives directions, but you should learn something about how Wikipedia works first. Start with WP:Five pillars. David Biddulph has posted more links on your Talk page; click the big blue button.

Also, remember that the rest of us are here with serious purpose, even if we enjoy it. We don't enjoy wasting time clearing up non-serious users' inept jokes and having to take steps to block them, so I'm glad you aren't one of those people. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.213.188.15 (talk) 18:02, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. See Help:Introduction to get started. Sarrail (talk) 17:53, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Would article be deleted after x number of re-submissions?

Hi everyone, good morning/afternoon/evening!

Would the articles that are still in-progress be deleted after a set number of unsuccessful attempts? Thank you for answering. HanaKaeKo (talk) 17:48, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, HanaKaeKo, and welcome to the Teahouse. Like most things in Wikipedia, there's no fixed number. If a draft keeps being submitted without substantially addressing the problems, or if in the considered opinion of the reviewer there is no hope of its ever becoming acceptable, then they will reject it, which says that it may not be submitted again. But a draft can be submitted many times if it is actively being improved. Given the unpredictable wait time for a review, it is worth carrying on improving a draft even after submitting it.

Separately, if a draft is untouched for six months, it is liable to be deleted. ColinFine (talk) 18:33, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Introduction

Hello everyone on Wikipedia. I would like to introduce myself. Thank you Scencter (talk) 17:49, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Is there a question you want to ask? Sarrail (talk) 17:54, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes, what is the easiest and fastest way to become an admin? Scencter (talk) 20:43, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Scencter It's not easy or fast, there is a process for the community to discuss it, and the odds of success without significant contributions to the project are close to zero. It takes at least a year, usually more, and you must have contributions in areas where giving you the admin tools would help the project. Being an admin is just about having extra buttons, admins have no more authority than any other editor. Note that you can do 95% of things here without having the admin tools. Just focus on being a good editor and helping out, and others will notice your good work and nominate you. 331dot (talk) 20:50, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

I don’t see myself enjoying Wikipedia if I don’t have the ability to block people though. Scencter (talk) 21:50, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@Scencter Why?? Eitanbb (talk) 21:51, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Scencter Being an admin is not just about blocking people- and to be frank I doubt the community would give you the admin tools if the ability to block is a dealbreaker for you in terms of your Wikipedia enjoyment. 331dot (talk) 21:53, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

As an active Wikipedian I agree. Eitanbb (talk) 21:55, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

I see, so I shouldn’t say that’s why I want to become an admin. I just assume that’s why admins like the project so much. I wouldn’t see the point in admins being here if they didn’t have authority over other people. Scencter (talk) 22:12, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@Scenter: You are exhibiting a complete failure to understand what the administrator's purpose is here. We don't have authority over other people. You think we like the project because we are admins, but it's the exact opposite, we became admins because we like the project enough to put up with the additional drudgery and hassle of being an administrator. That's an important distinction that seems to have escaped you. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:19, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

I think I understand what you’re saying I should say now, thank you. Scencter (talk) 01:54, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

@Scencter We try to cooperate with each other instead of having authority over each other. We block accounts when there is vandalism to articles, or a repeated failure to respect and understand WP's rules and guidelines, or childish behavior, etc. Blocking an account is not "fun". Being an admin here is known as "wielding the mop" because it can be drudgery to clean up messes. I personally can't fathom enjoying having to block other accounts. This isn't a first-person shooter game where we take other "players" out. Although I suppose it can be tempting at times... David10244 (talk) 04:09, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

@David10244: That's right, blocking anyone isn't "fun". Every time I block someone I'm well aware there's a human being on the other side who will be frustrated, angry, or other unpleasant emotion as a result. Most of my blocks are simple judgments involving someone disruptive who is clearly not here to build an encyclopedia, like treating it as a free marketing platform. Other blocks involve extensive discussions, drama, and difficult judgments. In my view, my admin duties are to clean up messes, help out in disputes, hold someone's hand to help them understand what's going on, and preserve stability of the project using blocks and page protections. Fortunately the drudge work is voluntary, and when I don't feel like doing it I can just be a good editor, as I was before I became an admin. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:38, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Scenter might be mistaken about the meaning of "blocking". In usual social media, this refers to user A preventing user B from interacting with them, but having no impact on interactions that are not between A and B. In Wikipedia parlance, "blocking" is the equivalent of "banning" on social media - preventing someone from interacting with much of the website’s functionality. (Note that Wikipedia is not social media, we’re not here to chat, but to edit articles.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:27, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

DONATION

I RECENTLY MADE A DONATION IN ERROR TO WIKIMEDIA THINKING I WAS DONATING TO THE ST. MARIA GORETTI CHURCH IN WESTFIELD INDIANA. WHILE I AM WILLING TO MAKE A DONATION TO THE FOUNDATION I CAN NOT DONATE TO BOTH THE ST. Maria Goretti Church and the Wikimedia Foundation. PLEASE CANCEL. MY ORIGINAL DONATION. 73.168.211.140 (talk) 19:47, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

We have nothing to do with the donation process, please contact the Wikimedia Foundation by email at donate at Wikimedia dot org. 331dot (talk) 19:55, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

This is the Teahouse, a board for new editors to ask questions about editing Wikipedia. For help with Wikimedia Foundation donations, email donate [at] wikimedia [dot] org Iscargra (talk) 21:36, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

This person reached out to the Donor Relations team on the email shared, and we will happily assist the donor with getting their funds returned. Thank you! KRobinson (WMF) (talk) 13:22, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

I know user pages are not required but a WMF account in red just looks... Odd :) Anyway, welcome. Slywriter (talk) 13:31, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Active editors

Hello, I decided to start contributing the wiki. I am usually active in Hebrew Wikipedia, and I don't have any problem with having my edits being checked and having a "Mentor" (don't know how to call it). who is active here and can help me? (I'm in Israel' meaning It's UTC+3 here)? I prefer an editor who speaks Hebrew. have a good day, (By the way my English isn't good) Eitanbb (talk) 21:43, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Eitanbb, new editors don't usually have mentors; but if you want one, then please see Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user/Adoptee's Area. -- Hoary (talk) 21:59, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks!

BTW is there any Hebrew-speaking active editor? Eitanbb (talk) 22:01, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi Eitanbb. You might find some Hebrew speaking Wikipedians at Wikipedia:WikiProject Israel or at Wikipedia:Translators available#Hebrew-to-English. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:07, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Category:User he-N lists editors who have described themselves as native speakers of Hebrew. Probably most of them really are. However, only a small percentage are likely to be active. (The commonness of inactivity is of course not specific to speakers of Hebrew.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:41, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary That adopt-a-user scheme has been augmented by the Growth Team's Mentoring feature: see their Project Page. As far as I know, all new accounts now get a mentor although not all new editors use the feature to ask questions of the person they have been assigned to. My Talk page is full of such questions but in my experience the system is not terribly useful: the Teahouse is a better place to get advice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:51, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Mike Turnbull, I sit corrected. And as I look at your talk page, I understand what must have triggered all those threads titled "Question from [username] ([time])", most of which just induce despair. (Sample question: "Hello how can i make people like my videos".) -- Hoary (talk) 22:40, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Please, help

Hello, I created a page on Georgian Wikipedia about myself. I am an actor. but the editor entered unnecessary and unwanted information into the article and blocked me. Please help to remove this article. Thanks! 37.232.108.149 (talk) 22:44, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

You will have to address that using whatever process the Georgian Wikipedia has to do so; that is separate from this project. 331dot (talk) 22:48, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but the English Wikipedia and Georgian Wikipedia are completely separate projects, and it is very likely that nobody here can help you.

I don't know what the policies of Georgian Wikipedia are on writing about yourself, but here it is strongly discouraged. ColinFine (talk) 22:48, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Deleting a page

I have a page call Zac Coonan sandbox and there is another page with my face on it. I would like these taken down I am finding them embarrassing and hurtful. If you could do that, that would be great 2001:8003:A8EB:2200:BCED:E3CB:21E3:9948 (talk) 23:09, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello @2001:8003:A8EB:2200:BCED:E3CB:21E3:9948, you can put { {Db-g7} } without the spaces which speedy deletes the page by the request of the Author (you). But the pages got deleted and you only have 1 edit which is the teahouse?`~HelpingWorld~` ^(👽🛸) 23:28, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

User:Zac Coonan and User:Zac Coonan/sandbox have both already been deleted as not having appropriate content for user pages. You have attempted to delete the image File:Zac coonans face.png from Commons: your first request is malformed, as you didn't give a reason, and the second is an "author request", but you posted it without being logged in, so technically the request wasn't from the author. I don't know Commons well enough to know what will happen there, but my guess is that someone will delete it anyway. If they don't, I suggest asking for help on Commons, at Commons:Commons:Village pump. ColinFine (talk) 23:43, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Are you Zac Coonan, and editing using that account? If so, then you put that picture in those pages. But see ColinFine's answer. If you are not Zac Coonan, then you should not request deletion by saying you are the author of the image. David10244 (talk) 04:18, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Duplicate refrences on User:HelpingWorld/sandbox#Wildlife without them showing both of the refrences on the ref section

I tried to do it but it doesnt show the refrences on the page? Could someone help?`~HelpingWorld~` ^(👽🛸) 23:21, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, HelpingWorld, and welcome to the Teahouse. That usually means that the reference is malformed; and looking at the sandbox I immediately see that <ref name=CowBayou is followed by another opening < instead of by a closing > ColinFine (talk) 23:46, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! I was confused on how to do it. The same issue happened to me a few months ago but someone else fixed it and I didn't think to check the page.`~HelpingWorld~` ^(👽🛸) 23:50, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes, except that it wasn't "CowBayou"; it was "Cow Bayou"; and I think (though without mustering the energy to confirm) that a space within a reference name results in requiring quotation marks around the reference name. (I always put reference names in quotation marks, so I don't have to worry about the matter.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:55, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Fixed, I think. -- Hoary (talk) 23:53, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

HelpingWorld, I would never mistake < for > or vice versa. This isn't the result of superior intelligence or proficiency. (I'm quite thick.) Instead, it's the result of syntax highlighting. If I got the inequality symbol wrong, the resulting colour in my edit window would be wrong. Very unfortunately, I enabled syntax highlighting so long ago that I've completely forgotten how I did so -- and even when I look for it, I can't find it. (Did I mention that I'm quite thick?) Perhaps some other editor here will be able to tell you how to do this. -- Hoary (talk) 00:02, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

If I had to duplicate another ref, would I copy the same format you did?`~HelpingWorld~` ^(👽🛸) 00:04, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

HelpingWorld, first use: <ref name="something appropriate">{{Cite web|[blah blah blah blah]}}</ref>. Any subsequent use: <ref name="something appropriate" />. Does this explain? -- Hoary (talk) 00:13, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes, thanks!`~HelpingWorld~` ^(👽🛸) 00:58, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

@HelpingWorld I concur with Hoary that syntax highlighting makes it virtually impossible to make that sort of error. To activate it in the source editor, simply toggle the pen icon at the top of the edit window next to the "Advanced" drop-down. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:41, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Claiming an article as my own

Hi, I was creating an article on Carmen Ennesch: Carmen Ennesch while I was working on a remote desktop which made my article look like it was anonymously authored. Is there any way that I can attribute my actual article to myself? Thanks Unable11 (talk) 00:05, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

It's hardly your actual article, or anyway it will hardly remain so, Unable11; because any other user is free to improve it. You can, if you wish, write on your user page that you made such-and-such edits while you weren't logged in. -- Hoary (talk) 00:16, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Unable11 From lookin at your history of edits, you have created several articles while logged in, and this last one (CE) as an IP number because you were not logged in. As Hoary wrote, the best you can do is list the articles you started on your User page, as there is no means to change that IP to your User name in the View history of that article. David notMD (talk) 11:17, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm aware that it's not 'my' article, but I just wanted to be clear about who had been involved in its history in case anyone wanted to message me about it. How do I list the article on my User page? Unable11 (talk) 11:34, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

@Unable11 Although you could mention the article on your User Page by linking to it, even giving the IP address you used when creating it, no-one who read the article would be likely to make the connection. A better way to proceed might be to make a new edit on Carmen Ennesch and mention in the edit summary that you were its first editor/creator. That way, interested parties who looked at the history of the article should be able to reach you. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:37, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Party's on San Diego City Attorney election

all the other San Diego City Attorney election have political party's so I added it and didn't think it was a problem 2603:8001:2902:64F4:4517:E4B6:A397:EAED (talk) 01:59, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

It's good that you are providing edit summaries; the problem is that it's hard -- for me, and I imagine for other people too -- to make sense of them. Example: removing political parties as all elections in California are non-partisan and not have people add party as a good deed or confuse colors with party's. I understand that down to and including "non-partisan and", but I'm quite lost when I attempt to parse not have people add party as a good deed or confuse colors with party's. Maybe people are reverting your edits in part because they don't understand the reasons you're giving. -- Hoary (talk) 02:26, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

The assertion that all elections in California are non-partisan is incorrect. Presidential primary elections in California remain fully partisan. Voters can still designate a party affiliation when they register to vote. In the last ten years, it is true that California law has allowed people to cross party lines in primary elections for Congress, the state legislature, governor and other top statewide offices, but candidates for those offices can and do declare their party affiliation on the ballot. Cullen328 (talk) 04:22, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

how to start an article

Hi Wikipedia i just wanted to tell you that i wanna learn how to start an article so i an share beautiful information with the fellow dear readers and i am interested in articles and everyday things and if you would let me my first article would be about my school "City Springs Elementary/Middle school" its a wonderful charter school and i think that Baltimore schools need to be appreciated and maybe if you are willing to let me submit and article that would be Amazing! but thank you for you time and i will continue reading you Outstanding Articles.

Sincerely, Tori Livingston 73.200.117.48 (talk) 02:51, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

my article did i make it on here?!?!?!? 73.200.117.48 (talk) 02:52, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Firstly you can read about notability, then if you think that there are sufficient independent reliable sources to demonstrate notability you could read the advice at WP:your first article and prepare a draft for review. - David Biddulph (talk) 03:01, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

You can also try the article wizard. Sarrail (talk) 03:02, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

The vast majority of elementary and middle schools are not notable and not eligible for a Wikipedia article unless their architecture is highly unusual and written about in reliable sources, or some truly historic event took place there. See WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES for more information. Wikipedia is not a directory of every single school on Earth. Cullen328 (talk) 04:01, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

List of oldest buildings in Pensylvania

Credible sources, namely the Bloody Run Historical Society, cite an original building in Everett PA (Bedford County) dates from 1738. The building is the John Patton house. Ithinkwecan (talk) 04:25, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Ithinkwecan, you are welcome to make this suggestion at the foot of Talk:List of the oldest buildings in Pennsylvania. (Don't forget to point out precisely where the Bloody Run Historical Society says this.) -- Hoary (talk) 05:39, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Ithinkwecan. One would think that a US building dating to 1738 would be on the National Register of Historic Places but I am not seeing it there. When I Google the name, I see an early 19th century building with a similar name in West Virginia, which was Virginia back then. That is clearly not what you are talking about. So, we would need to have significant coverage of this house in independent, reliable sources in order to cover it on Wikipedia. Does the house possibly have another name? Cullen328 (talk) 09:46, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Change "User:Name/sandbox" and its URL into custom name?

Hi, I wanna ask how to change "User:Name/sandbox" and its URL into custom name when I'm editing my page? NicoleSYL (talk) 07:06, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

@NicoleSYL: You can change it to "User:Name/CustomName" simply by moving that sandbox page to a new name. The "Page" menu tab has a "Move" selection to do this. If you have something else in mind, you need to be more specific. ~Anachronist (talk) 07:31, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, NicoleSYL and welcome to the Teahouse, and to WIkipedia. I have a suspicion that what you are really asking is how you can make User:NicoleSYL/sandbox have a name without the "User" stuff on the front, such as (for example) Dato' Sri Eddie Chong Wei Chuan. In other words, you are asking "How can I make my sandbox an article in the encyclopaedia?"

The technical part of the answer is: in two ways. Either Move the draft to an article - but you won't have access to that function until you have been here for four days and made ten edits; or use the articles for creation process and submit the draft for review. If the reviewer accepts it, they will move it into article space. However do not try doing either of these at present: this would be a waste of everybody's time.

The practical part of the answer is: by turning the couple of lines of nothing much that you have there into an acceptable encyclopaedia article. I suggest you study your first article carefully, to learn how to do this. I also suggest that you put this project aside for a while, and spend a few months learning how Wikipedia works and what its requirements are, by making small improvements to some of our existing six million articles, before you come back to yhour draft with greqater understanding of what is required. ColinFine (talk) 10:50, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Automatic reference creation

Hello Wikipedians!
What are the best tools to automate reference creation?
I have seen Help:Citation_tools and tried a few (not all), but haven't found the solution yet.

Like Firefox plugin, but better reference format

There is a plugin to Firefox which automatically creates references. Very smooth, but the format of those references could IMO be better.

• It creates references that look like this

• And I would like them to look like this (well-organized Wikicode)

The question

Is there some other tool that you know of or could recommend?

References

MahaNakhon (talk) 07:39, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

I now tried Citer and it does the job. Are there any other similar tools?
MahaNakhon (talk) 07:45, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Draft submission

I want to know that is there is any user script that can help me for adding Template:AfC submission/draft to any draft article. If someone will reply my question so please ping me. ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️^{Let's Talk !} 09:23, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Revision version deletion

Why would a revision version of any article be deleted in the revision history and have the summary on the revision section as "edit summary removed" or something like that? Hgh1985 (talk) 10:54, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Revision deletion. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:57, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

I can not upload my article :(

I wrote an article about the company: checked and edited it million times as it has to be neutral and transparent. Why it's not publishing and staying in the draft? Stape Ivanna (talk) 11:22, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Stape Ivanna Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. New users cannot directly create articles, and must use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft. Unfortunately, what you wrote was a clear advertisment. Wikipedia is not a place to merely tell about a company- it is a place to summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about it, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. If you work for this company, you must make a formal declaration, please read WP:PAID as well as WP:COI. Writing a new article is the most challenging task to attempt on Wikipedia, we usually recommend that new users first gain experience and knowledge by editing existing articles first, as well as using the new user tutorial. 331dot (talk) 11:28, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

[ec] Well, that's simple, Stape Ivanna. Draft:Stape reads like an advertisement for "Stape", which is "a company that is creating an infrastructure for server-side tracking". The number of independent sources that the draft cites: zero. If you're looking for a conduit for the company's PR fluff, you're at the wrong website. -- Hoary (talk) 11:30, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for answer! But what is the difference between TikTok article in Wikipedia and Stape article?

TikTok - platform, history and features. And Stape platform, history and features. Stape Ivanna (talk) 11:35, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

@Stape Ivanna, I can't see the article so I don't exactly know what is written there, but given what Hoary stated above, I'd guess that the difference are the (lack of) reliable sources especially from independent people, stuff made by others about the subject that have zero relation to them. sources are required to verify information you write in the article and sources from independent people or publishers are required to see if it has notability for wikipedia.

in addition, TikTok isn't primarily written by people connected to the company but by people who don't really have any personal connection or stake to it. while you can say they wouldn't be able to know some facts about the subject due to their lack of connection, this doesn't really apply here since that wouldn't be usable in wikipedia regardless (as everything requires a reliable, published source and cannot be cited to just someone's knowledge). those who do have connection to the subject (which given by your username, you seem to have) have to comply with more policies that make contributing harder (see WP:Paid editing), and in addition may (consciously or not) add biased or fluffy statements to an article.

happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 11:55, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

thanks for clarification! Stape Ivanna (talk) 12:03, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Disingenuous that you blanked your Talk page, as that is where an Admin gave a reason for the Speedy deletion (G11 = advertising/promotion). Now that you have clearly declared PAID on your User page you can try again, but references in support of content needd to be independent of the company. Citing what the company says about itself is useless. Reviewing WP:NCORP may help understand what makes a company Wikipedia-notable. David notMD (talk) 16:42, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Delete or Edit

Sometimes in my search to improve articles I find things that did not happen (while in the article they are mentioned as 'this might happen in the future') would it than be better to simply delete it? Or to say something like 'This plan did not actually materialize' SarahBx (talk) 11:25, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

In some cases, an event that didn't happen can be notable if it passes WP:GNG. There are, however, a lot of articles that exist on this project that should be deleted. These can be put through the deletion process; see WP:PROD and WP:AFD. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:29, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

SarahBx Hello and welcome. It's difficult to give a general answer, as it likely depends on the situation. 331dot (talk) 11:30, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

If you mean an otherwise valid article with a section on future events, then deleting the future stuff may be enough. However, sometimes event plans that did not reach fruition can be notable if widely known and written about. See Batgirl (film). David notMD (talk) 16:47, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Bullying on Wikipedia

I would like to report user: Roxy the dog for bullying and false vandalism claims.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:81.134.166.71

The content I added was in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines. Wikipedia enables Marketers to add information so long as the information is free of puffery and unbiased. I have neither used puffery nor stated any biased views with the content I have published. It simply states the existence of a company that produces the material in question. The information is provided in a table where there are several other brand names also mentioned. In my content I have not mentioned USP's or any content that should constitute puffery, biased opinions on vandalism. Roxy the dog has reverted my changes 2 times, nearing the breach of 3RR rule. My aim is to keep this as a collaborative space where we can help disseminate information in a fair way, free of bullying and inclusive of help. 81.134.166.71 (talk) 11:30, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Um, no, it is totally wrong that "Wikipedia enables Marketers to add information so long as the information is free of puffery and unbiased". Wikipedia is not for merely disseminating information. This is an encyclopedia with criteria for inclusion, and it primarily summarizes what independent reliable sources say about a topic. 331dot (talk) 11:32, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

And I don't see where you have complied with WP:PAID. 331dot (talk) 11:32, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Marketers are allowed to edit Wikipedia, as long as they approach the subjects that they have a conflict of interest of in an extremely careful manner. This is a rather rough introduction to Wikipedia editing. Would you like to contribute to other areas of Wikipedia instead? 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 12:04, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

IP editor. You claim that The content I added was in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines but a) you did not provide a source for the information, which violates the key policy of verifiabilty and b) you ignored the mandatory declaration that you are a WP:PAID editor. It is not "bullying" to point this out, although Roxy the dog was wrong to call your edit vandalism, which has a very specific meaning here, as you know. Please create an account, make the WP:COI declaration and proceed to suggest edits via the {{edit request}} mechanism. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:18, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Doesn't feel wrong. Looks like vandalism to me, adding unwelcome stuff time after time, and clearly acting on behalf of some business. I do feel that the OP should also re-examine their definition of bullying, and we'll forget the website wide behaviour that says that if you are talking about somebody, you should inform them, as they are a newbie. Welcome to Wikipedia btw, I hope you stay, and learn how to behave. Roxy the dog 13:43, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

IP address: I agree that your actions aren't vandalism. But they are clearly intended to promote a particular company, and are against Wikipedia policy. Even if you don't care about Wikipedia policy, you should stop: your actions make Ultramax look like a shitty company that can't afford to advertise honestly. Maproom (talk) 13:51, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

What does a double-strike through mean on a deleted revision?

My recent contribution to the Wikipedia:Usernames for administrator attention noticeboard (and a few preceding entries) are delted with a double strike-through. I've seen WP:REVDEL before with a single strike, but the article doesn't explain what double strike means! (I'm guessing someone posted something to that noticeboard that really shouldn't be seen) but wondering what it's called when this happens. JeffUK (talk) 14:44, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi @JeffUK, welcome to the Teahouse. That's an oversight strike - see Wikipedia:Oversight#Nomenclature for an illustrative table. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:46, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Reverting Edits

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T325019

I am trying to revert an edit on a page, but it says that the edit was "never made.". Can I have some help on this Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 15:22, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Club On a Sub 20 - can you give us a link to the edit in question? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:23, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @club on a sub 20: what edit? lettherebedarklight晚安 15:23, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

My bad, I will try to link it...Here. The edit adds lots of unnecessary plot details. Am I unable to revert it because multiple edits were made after it? Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 16:38, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

@Club On a Sub 20, no, that situation gives a different error message. This one is very odd - The edit could not be undone because it does not exist or was deleted. also shows up for me when I click "undo", but obviously the edit does exist and was not deleted. Maybe the folks at WP:VPT could tell you more. In the meantime, you could simply manually restore the version of the article before those edits, then re-add any good edits which were made after them. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:23, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Ok, thank you for the reply Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 17:40, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

I had a similar error over the weekend, where I tried to revert something and it said it couldn't be done because the edit "didn't exist". I was reverting two edits at Hypersexuality, which were followed by a single inoffensive edit. When I included that edit in my reversion, the system was fine and reverted all three (the third edit was addition of a missing full stop to the section that I was removing by reversion, so I did wonder if the problem was that my reversion wasn't compatible with keeping the last edit, which was what I'd asked the system to do. In effect, had it reverted the bit I wanted, another edit that I hadn't attempted to revert would have ceased to exist. But I have no idea whether that's what the world was trying to tell me.) Elemimele (talk) 18:33, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Hmm. Going from memory, the error message should be "This edit cannot be undone because of intervening edits", followed by further instructions. I wonder if the problem here is simply that the wrong error message is now being displayed. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:40, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

@Club On a Sub 20: This is definitely a bug; you should have seen this message instead. Reported at phab:T325019. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:32, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Riverhead Raceway

I lived in Riverhead N.Y. and know the Riverhead Raceway advertises and lists their track as one quarter mile in length, Wikipedia presently incorrectly states it is .20, 1/5 of a mile. I do not want to register or edit w/ my ip address exposed. Can this be updated by someone for accuracy purposes? To the lay person one fifth or 1/4 is little difference but to a race fan it's a glaring mistake. Thank you K.Blasko 47.17.0.239 (talk) 16:52, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

COURTESY: Riverhead Raceway. David notMD (talk) 16:55, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Several of the refs are dead or behind a paywall, but #3 (New York Times) say quarter mile.David notMD (talk) 17:01, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Actually, it was quarter-mile until an IP editor changed it in August 2021. I changed it back, as refs confirm. David notMD (talk) 19:47, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

how do you get to the sandbox

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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how do you get to the sandox Bub1241 (talk) 17:15, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Bub1241, welcome to the Teahouse. The general purpose sandbox is at WP:SANDBOX. You haven't created a personal sandbox yet, but you could certainly do that instead. However, I'm a little worried about this edit of yours - it seems to imply that you were blocked or banned on a previous account. Is that true? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:19, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

yes because I was trying to figure out how to get to the sandbox so I just wrote a small edit (something that isnt inportant but not really dangerous or hurtful) trying to get a admin to help me start but then I was just told to not write unproductive stuff and once I wrote on a reply on how to get on sandbox I got no reply so I did it again twice more to no avail so I created a new account Bub1241 (talk) 17:23, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

@Bub1241, I'm afraid that is not allowed - it's called block evasion. It will only lead to this new account being blocked. You need to log in to your first account and appeal the block. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:25, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

well Im just trying to figure things out I was not trying to get in trouble I was trying to get info on what I need to do to get to this sandbox Bub1241 (talk) 17:28, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

@Bub1241, you've been given several links to various sandboxes. However, your first priority should be appealing your block. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:32, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

thank you Im going to the sandbox Bub1241 (talk) 17:33, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

yeah yall need to make that kind of thing more clear I was just wanting to get a sandbox I did not even know you gave me a way to a sandbox

also yeah I made that account like two years ago I dont remember the password or the username plus I did not have a email attached to that

all I remember was that I wrote on the potions page because I was going through a phase Bub1241 (talk) 17:43, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Well unfortunately this is still Block evasion. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:45, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

But I literally cant get that account back Bub1241 (talk) 17:49, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

what do you imply I do? Bub1241 (talk) 17:51, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

You should reply to UtherSRG's question in the discussion you started on Theroadislong's talk page. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:54, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

thats what im doing Bub1241 (talk) 17:54, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

We are being trolled User:Bubbles1452 was blocked 5 days ago. Theroadislong (talk) 17:57, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Dude Im not trolling you thats litterlly not my account Bub1241 (talk) 17:59, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

WP:CIR, WP:Don't feed the trolls. Shut up. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 18:01, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Now blocked. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:05, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Unable to edit.

I've been contributing for a couple of weeks now and suddenly I'm unable to edit pages. I know this is general but I'm not sure what's going on. Thanks! Jayity (talk) 19:39, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

@Jayity: Hello Jayity! Since you successfully posted here that means you are able to edit. Would you mind telling us what message you receive when trying to edit? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:40, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

There is something that says "edit source" where the edit button previously was. Jayity (talk) 19:44, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

"Edit source" means editing with source code. Guessin' that you were editing with visual editor 'til now. Lookin' at your edits, it looks like you've been editing with visual editor for a while. Sarrail (talk) 19:46, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Indeed. @Jayity, the Visual Editor is not available on talk pages, which is where your last few posts have been. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:48, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Even on non- talk pages I get the edit source button. Am I just doing something completely wrong? haha please help me. Jayity (talk) 19:49, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Nothin' wrong, you can edit talk pages using the "edit source" button. Sarrail (talk) 19:51, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Sarrail your explanation isn't entirely correct. The "edit source" button is referring to the Source Editor (also known as the Wikitext editor) which is different than source editing (which would be directly editing the HTML that makes up Wikipedia) ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:56, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Yep, that's correct. Sarrail (talk) 19:58, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

I mean, technically I could edit Wikipedia just from the HTML and CSS but I would most likely end up accidentally breaking something. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:00, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Not sure what happens when it's breached, but hopefully it doesn't happen. Sarrail (talk) 21:27, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

See Tarlonniel's (the IP) comment above for the explanation. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:51, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Is there a way I can switch back to the visual editor? For the purpose of writing/editing. Jayity (talk) 19:52, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes, you can by tapping the "pencil" at the top right corner of your "editing screen", which should show two options:visual and source, but with talk pages, you can't. Sarrail (talk) 19:54, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

@Jayity, here are the instructions at the top of WP:VisualEditor: Log in, go to preferences (top right) -> editing tab, uncheck Temporarily disable the visual editor while it is in beta, optionally change Editing mode to Show me both editor tabs, and save your preferences. I believe there's also an "Always use Visual Editor when available" option. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:53, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you all! Got it figured out. Jayity (talk) 19:54, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Questions about editing pages

Hi

I have some engineering projects for the company i represent that I think will contribute well. I was thinking of adding the edits under a See Also section on the pages... or adding a few lines of text directly to the page.

Wiki: Polar Epsilon - Wikipedia

Company: IES Site

Any suggestions would be appreciated, thank you. Kevin at IES (talk) 20:56, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Kevin at IES, welcome to the Teahouse. Links in See Also sections should only be to other articles on Wikipedia, not to external sites. There is such a thing as an External links section, but your link doesn't sound like it fits the usual criteria for links in such a section. If an independent, reliable, secondary source discusses your company's link to an article subject, that might be a reason to include a sentence about it in the article, but the sentence should be cited to the aforesaid source, not the company website. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:17, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi, So you are suggesting that if i find the source try editing directly on those pages... Kevin at IES (talk) 21:30, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

@Kevin at IES, I would recommend making an edit request on the talk page instead, since you are a paid editor. You can use either the Wizard (Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard) or the template ({{Request edit}}). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:34, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Ok Kevin at IES (talk) 21:38, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Page creation

how do make a page 24.116.116.33 (talk) 22:01, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi anonymous editor - you can create a draft through the article wizard and submit your draft to members of AfC for review of inclusion within Wikipedia. To create an article directly, you must be autoconfirmed - which means you need an account. Hope this helps! --Harobouri • 🎢 • 🏗️ (he/him • WP:APARKS) 22:07, 12 December 2022 (UTC)