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Entry of Joseph de Bauffremont into İzmir, 28 September 1766.

I would like to make a general comment about the "Smyrna" reference to Izmir, at least to the people that have scientific and historical and not nationalist-driven doubts about it. I think it is wrong to wonder why the name Yerevan (unknown to most, in contrast to Smyrna) is not used for Athens while Smyrna does for Izmir, in wiki. First of all, the etymology of the name Izmir itself is derived from the greek, former name. Also, they name "Smyrna" was indeed kept in use by both Muslims and Christians. In contrast, the turkish name Ayvalik was alwasys used, instead of ancient "Kydonies" term. But there is another, substantial reason: The civilization and activities developed throughout history in Izmir were almost exlusively achieved by its greek citizens. This is proved by the cultural and aesthetical fall of Izmir for many decades, after the greeks left under the Population Exchange. Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, born in Salonica and not in Anatolia, was aware of that fact: He knew that there would be a significant financial and cultural downfall after the departure of the urban population of the area, but the stabilisation inside his country was of course of highsest importance at those critical times. Dimitris Chrisafinos

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Population according to the cited resources.

Hi there -- I'm seeing the population of Izmir -- as a city -- as 4,320,519 in 2019. E.g., see http://www.izmir.gov.tr/istatistiklerle-izmir Am I missing something? where do you get the 2.9m number?

Name

Izmir is widely used as Anglicized version of İzmir. A name change can be considered as in case Istanbul. — 07 ● 💬 14:24, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. No "İ" exists in the English script. Why write Izmir as İzmir in the Turkish script then? It looks awkward. 46.31.112.222 (talk) 06:01, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

CLIMATE

What about the new record high temperature for May (2020/5/18)? 86.32.54.210 (talk) 11:43, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what you mean. None of the stations active in the region (see [1] [2] [3] [4] and [5]) seem to have measured any record-breaking temperatures. It was a hot day for sure, but not record-breaking. Uness232 (talk) 06:39, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

CLIMATE 2

Can someone explain why Izmir has so high amount of annual sunshine hours - almost 3 000, especially compared to more southern cities like Bodrum or Fethiye, which have around 2 700? 86.32.61.234 (talk) 18:37, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Most likely due to the urban heat island effect, and the resulting lack of fog. Although please read WP:NOTFORUM, specifically:
(...) [B]ear in mind that article talk pages exist solely to discuss how to improve articles; they are not for general discussion about the subject of the article, nor are they a help desk for obtaining instructions or technical assistance. Uness232 (talk) 19:08, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 20 December 2022

İzmir → Izmir – According to Google Ngram Viewer ([6]), Izmir is a much more abundant spelling and aligns with the English alphabet. Ayıntaplı (talk) 17:41, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong oppose we've been through this 13 years ago. Let's not waste time again. See Lonely Planet: "İZMIR'S SEPHARDIC SYNAGOGUES When the Jews were expelled from Spain and Portugal by King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella in 1492, many settled in cities of the Ottoman Empire, in particular Constantinople (İstanbul), ..." yes low-MOS sources don't have Turkish i, but en.wp does and we spell all Latin-font article titles correctly here. Take a brief look at Category:Populated coastal places in Turkey. The change to en.wp MOS that you are are proposing @Ayıntaplı: would see the entire Turkish article corpus have to be moved per WP:CONSISTENCY. And why single out Turkey articles for low-Mos titles? Why not French or German or Spanish or Polish? We've been through this. We had a massive diacritics war a decade ago. And we don't need to restart it in with İzmir. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:59, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • oppose per In ictu oculi and the pile of other diacritic RMs—blindlynx 20:22, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The article uses both Izmir and İzmir (with a diacritic) which suggests that people freely use the form they're accustomed to. 13 years ago is a distant enough past to consider revisiting the question. It wouldn't be the first and certainly not the last bitter discussion but that's not an obstacle. Likewise, some other Wikipedia pages with Izmir in the title use the spelling without a diacritic (for example Izmir Marathon, Izmir International Fair, Izmir Ethnography Museum). This all suggests a waning prescriptive view and an expanding descriptive view. The article on Roxelana was moved to Hurrem Sultan (which WP does not some time ago (without diacritics) to reflect a rise in usage of the Turkish name but diacritics were dropped as they're not as prevalent in English language. --Killuminator (talk) 20:31, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is the English WP, and we should be looking for the common name in English. A simple Google search will throw up more examples of Izmir than İzmir, but often that may be because the source does not have the font necessary for the diacritic - or it maybe because Izmir is the preferred form. Newspapers and news media seem to use Izmir.[1][2]. An academic article here uses Izmir, even though the content shows that the source uses İzmir in citations, so the use of Izmir is a deliberate choice. Government sources use Izmir, even when referring to the country as Türkiye (which WP does not).[3][4] We don't have a problem with Istanbul, and we should not have a problem with Izmir either.--Mhockey (talk) 22:36, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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