Talk:Charlemagne

Order introduction box

Why is it backward? He was first King of the Franks then of the Lombard then Emperor, but it is displayed the other way around, makes no sense to display it like that Esteban Outeiral Dias (talk) 14:49, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Well I fixed it and used the chronological order since there's absolutely no reason not to use it Esteban Outeiral Dias (talk) 14:56, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

oh and in the middle of the translations for his nickname Charles the Great there was alternative dates which obv have nothing to do there, here's what was removed, if anyone wants to add it anywhere it may belong (not in the name translations..):

2 April 747 – 28 January 814 Esteban Outeiral Dias (talk) 15:04, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Pompous asshole

No offense to the original author of this text, but this isn't written like the average Wikipedia article. It reads like an armchair historian trying to sound knowledgeable. I am working on a small project for uni and found that this page is incredibly weird in some parts.

For example, under Ambiguous High Office: "According to the Life, Pepin died in Paris on 24 September 768, whereupon the kingship passed jointly to his sons, "with divine assent" (divino nutu). The Franks "in general assembly" (generali conventu) gave them both the rank of a king (reges) but "partitioned the whole body of the kingdom equally" (totum regni corpus ex aequo partirentur)."

That sentence could be compressed by 2-4x times and would still keep almost all of its value - and most of the article is written like this. A rewrite banner might be necessary..? Onkoe (talk) 20:50, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Wives, concubines, and children

In the Wives, concubines, and children section, there is discussion of European nobility tracing their ancestry to Charlemagne. This is silly nonsense. The truth is, everyone in Europe traces their ancestry back to Charlemagne. For the explanation, see: https://www.theguardian.com/science/commentisfree/2015/may/24/business-genetic-ancestry-charlemagne-adam-rutherford Optimismofthewill (talk) 11:27, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Let's delete "first" where not supported by the citation

Delete "first" in "first emperor of the Romans" as Charlesmagne was not the first emperor of the Romans & the citation does not support that style. It might be re-written, with sufficient citations to establish it, that he was the first "Holy Roman Emperor." (AltheaCase (talk) 00:55, 16 January 2023 (UTC))

Can the editor add some citations to his claim?

Article states, "He also campaigned against the Saxons to his east, Christianizing them (upon penalty of death) which led to events such as the Massacre of Verden." But no sources are cited for this claim. (AltheaCase (talk) 00:58, 16 January 2023 (UTC))