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January 15

For Category:Clock Designs, why is Grandfather Clock listed under L?

I mean, I think my question says it all. There is no G section in Category:Clock designs, and for whatever reason, Grandfather Clock has been listed under L. 104.157.57.223 (talk) 00:46, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Interesting. It looks like it's been sorted under longcase clock, but that's not a likely place to look for it. I am going to look at Talk:Grandfather clock to see if there's a reason for it, and if not, I'll move it. —C.Fred (talk) 00:49, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Categorization#Sort keys for the feature. If a sort key appears unconnected to the article title then the key was usually made before a move.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 01:42, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Tagging an uncredited translation from fr.wikipedia

Earlier today I came across the article Marie-Gabriel-Florent-Auguste de Choiseul-Gouffier. It's essentially a one-author article, created in 2007 and largely unchanged since then. It is almost completely unsourced, but the amount of specific detail and the prose style both suggested that it had been copied from somewhere else. A quick search showed that all but a single paragraph of the content had been translated (or in some places, mistranslated) from the corresponding article in French Wikipedia. I've tagged it with Template:Translated page, but I want to make sure that (a) this was the right thing to do, and (b) I applied the template correctly, especially the insertversion parameter (which if I understand correctly should point to the second big text dump on the day the article was created, which is where the copied material was first introduced). If a more experienced editor could give it a quick look, I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Crawdad Blues (talk) 01:06, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Crawdad Blues I think you have done what is needed according to Help:Translation, which is

• (a) Make an edit with an edit summary like: Content in this edit is translated from the existing French Wikipedia article at [[:fr:Exact name of French article]]; see its history for attribution.
• (b) Optionally place the template {{Translated page}} for example {{Translated page|fr|Exact name of the French article}} on the target article's talk page. You put it on the article page, from where it was moved by a bot.

I checked whether the article author needed a warning, but they have not edited since 2017.TSventon (talk) 16:41, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Ah, on the talk page rather than the article page. I missed that. Thanks, TSventon. Cheers, Crawdad Blues (talk) 18:21, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Does this count as a personal attack?

I saw please confirm that you are not an idiot on a talk page (if anyone's wondering, here's the edit). I'm not entirely sure if that is a personal attack. Weeklyd3 (talk) 01:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

nvm, that IP has been blocked. Weeklyd3 (talk) 01:22, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

From what I see, this does meet the criteria of wp:pa. The silly edit speaks for itself; thus, my suggestion is leave it and ignore it for now. Kind regards to all. Hu Nhu (talk) 03:11, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes I'd say so. More information can be found at WP:NPA. -- StarryNightSky11 ☎ 03:31, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Multiple tabs - on Windows desktop app

Hi, I have an Android version of Wikipedia for my Samsung phone. It has multiple tabs (as a built-in feature). Sometimes I have 20 tabs open, (so I can read them later on). I would like to know if I could have multiple tabs open, when I use the Windows app, (that I have downloaded to my Window Home PC). It doesn't appear to have multiple tabs.  Mpeb67 (talk) 01:21, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

@Mpeb67: Use Ctrl + T to open a new tab on the web browser you're using on your PC and visit Wikipedia on each tab which will enable you to have multiple tabs on Wikipedia open at once, plus they are stored in your history if you don't wish to have them open 24/7, meaning they can be visited at a subsequent time. Hope this helps. StarryNightSky11 ☎ 03:28, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

I edited a stub template--problem

I tried to edit a stub template, but it's not working the way I intended. I edited Template:Azecidae-stub (a family of molluscs). The template had been feeding into Category:Gastropod stubs. But I wanted to move it to a more specific stub category--Category:Orthurethra stubs. So I edited the template to match others that are already feeding to Orthorethra stubs. Now, the stub articles that have that template show Orthurethra stub on their pages. But they do not appear on the Orthurethra stub category page. They DO still appear on the Gastropod stubs category page. Also, Azecidae does not appear at all on the page listing the stub types (I did a search for the word). Have I missed something? Or do I have to wait? Uporządnicki (talk) 02:46, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

In case it helps, let me add this. There are two stub articles I wanted to move. They are Gomphroa remyi and Hypnophila. They both already had the Azecidae stub template (which already existed, and fed to Gastropod stubs); I did not edit the article pages. Uporządnicki (talk) 02:53, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

@AzseicsoK: You have to wait. If a category is added by a template then a template edit is often reflected much sooner on pages using the template than on the category page. A null edit of a page with the template (not the template itself or the category page) will force an update of category pages for that specific page but there is no hurry in this case so just wait. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:33, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

OK, so I didn't screw things up. At least not yet. Thanks! Uporządnicki (talk) 03:53, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

And there it is! One of them, anyway. Uporządnicki (talk) 03:57, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Uporządnicki (talk) 12:56, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Nominate a .css or .js for deletion

Hello. Can you tell me how to nominate CSS or JS style page for deletion? It is impossible to put a deletion template on it. Can someone remove this page: User:Alex Great/vector.css? Thanks.  Αλέξης ο Μέγας  (📢 | 📥) 06:31, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

@Alex Great: Speedy deletion templates do work on CSS and JS pages. Just place {{db-user}} or {{db-author}} on it and the page will be added to speedy deletion categories which is what counts. CSS and JS pages are processed like normal wikitext pages when categories and link tables like WhatLinksHere are built. It's only the page itself which looks different. PrimeHunter (talk) 07:03, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Hm. Ok, I did it. Thank you for answer.  Αλέξης ο Μέγας  (📢 | 📥) 08:31, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Needed Backlink

Hi, I need 3 backlink from you. Please let me know how to buy? Aileen Pascall (talk) 10:21, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

@Aileen Pascall Not going to happen. Wikipedia is not to be used for WP:PROMOTION and almost all links from articles are marked nofollow. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:19, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Clarification of DEFAULTSORT usage

So, as I understand it, the DEFAULTSORT template sets the default sort key for an article which is then used for ordering within categories, and that those sort keys do not regard accents as relevant and are also case-insensitive, according to WP:SORTCAT. However, I have found that many articles have a DEFAULTSORT template with a name that is the same as the article title except for capitalization differences (e.g. Computer engineering). What is the purpose of the DEFAULTSORT template in these situations? Or, is this just leftover cruft from previous MediaWiki software as this archive discussion alludes to? If it is just leftover, should these seemingly redundant DEFAULTSORT templates be deleted, as might be inferred from the second paragraph of Template:DEFAULTSORT? Thanks is advance! Somers-all-the-time (talk) 13:46, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

@Somers-all-the-time: They are unnecessary as you say and often a leftover. I sometimes remove them when I'm editing the categories anyway but don't think we have a guideline about it. I wouldn't do it as the only change in an edit. It would just be a distraction in the page history. Removing them does have a potential future benefit if the page is moved without fixing its DEFAULTSORT. By the way, although we do have Template:DEFAULTSORT to help editors, the template should not be used. {{DEFAULTSORT:...}} with a colon is a magic word and not a template. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:08, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Template parameters

Example name
Example caption

I am working on Template:Infobox Antigua and Barbuda place, and while there is no issue with the other parameters, I am having trouble defining the parameters for images.

When I attempt to add the template to my sandbox page, while I am able to enter data for the other parameters, I am unable to enter data for the images, image captions, as well as the place name. CROIX (talk) 16:23, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

@CROIX: You have to pass on parameters like at Template:Infobox#Usage. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:42, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter

|captionstyle = | image1 = |caption1 = | image2 = |caption2 =

Would this be correct?

CROIX (talk) 03:58, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

| image1 = {{{image1|}}} CROIX (talk) 04:00, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

@CROIX: Template:Infobox has no mention of image1. It appears to be accepted as an alias for image but I suggest you avoid undocumented aliases. They can create confusion. You can just say | image = {{{image|}}} like the section I linked. I suggest you try to use {{Infobox settlement}} instead of {{Infobox}}. Jonesey95 added Category:Templates calling Infobox settlement [2] but it doesn't call {{Infobox settlement}} now. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:40, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

I did remove the undocumented aliases, however, this still has not solved the issue.

@PrimeHunter CROIX (talk) 22:14, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

@CROIX: I see no recent sandbox edits at Special:Contributions/CROIX and no transclusions at Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Infobox Antigua and Barbuda place. Show your attempted code if it doesn't work as wanted. Always do that when you ask for help. The infobox has no name parameter yet. You can add one with the code at Template:Infobox#Usage: | name = {{{name|{{PAGENAME}}}}} You can also use |above = but the current |above = Infobox Antigua and Barbuda place makes no sense in articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:28, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

|titlestyle =

|abovestyle   = background:#F7B2FF;
|subheaderstyle = background:#F7B2FF;
| name = Help desk
|above        = Infobox Antigua and Barbuda place
|subheader    = {{{parish}}}

I added a name parameter.

|imagestyle = |captionstyle = | image = |caption =

This is currently the code relating to the image.

CROIX (talk) 23:33, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

@CROIX: I misremembered what |name= does in {{Infobox}}. I have changed it to | above = {{{name|{{PAGENAME}}}}}.[3] I know how to click Template:Infobox Antigua and Barbuda place and see the template code. It works but you should make most or all parameters optional with {{{coordinates|}}} instead of {{{coordinates}}} and so on. I guess your issue is still: "When I attempt to add the template to my sandbox page, while I am able to enter data for the other parameters, I am unable to enter data for the images, image captions, as well as the place name". That's what I want to see. I guess you are calling it wrongly but I cannot say what is wrong without seeing it. I made a correct excample call here with the paremeters you have problems with. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:33, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

CROIX, you do not need to create this template from scratch. Instead, find one of the simpler templates at Category:Templates calling Infobox settlement, copy its code, and modify it to suit your needs. {{Infobox Greece place}} looks relatively simple, as an example. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:01, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

My page Khamekits

Hello. Could you connect my page Khamekits with russian page Хамекиты please? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 17:33, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

I believe I have got that done, along with adding some links and some minor corrections, but as this appears to be a direct word-for-word translation of the ru.wp article, I believe there is also an issue of being sure that is properly attributed to the original author, but at the moment I don't recall exactly how to deal with that. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:54, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

I added a notice on the talk page that I think satisfies the attribution requirements, for the record, in the future a link to the original article should be in the edit summary when creating the page, according to Help:Translation. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:07, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Harrassment by a Bot

Someone who has a vendetta against my brother posts negative and false information on his wikepedia page. When I go to delete it, it reverts right back. This makes me think there is a "bot" putting it up. How can I handle this? VirtuousJohn (talk) 17:36, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

To directly answer your question: you are not being "harassed" and there is no bot involved. You are removing what appears to be properly sourced content, and Wikipedians are reverting your edits for that simple reason. As to what you do now, you should discuss the matter at Talk:Peter Fitzhugh Brown. You should not be editing an article about your own brother as you have an obvious conflict of interest. Wikipedia works by consensus, not edit warring. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:42, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

new to editing

I've noticed that there is a lot of missing information for women's soccer in general and want to start adding information. I was going to start with adding information about players who have played professionally in the three U.S. professional leagues, since that is where I am most knowledgeable. I created a page for a player that didn't have one. I am not clear about the rules for what qualifies as notable for giving people their own pages. If there aren't sources from like ESPN are something does that mean the page won't be accepted? Woso10 (talk) 17:51, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia! I've left a welcome template on your talk page with some helpful links. Notability of sportspeople is something that has generated a lot of discussion around here, Wikipedia:Notability (sports) has a lot of information on this. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:57, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Notability criteria for sports people are at WP:NSPORT. One thing which would help when you submit your sandbox draft for review would be to change the bare URLs in your references to more complete citations. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:59, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

I tweeked a few things (mostly removing spaces between periods and refs) and published it (the bare URLs were fixed). As a rule of thumb, if there is currently a category for "people would played for Team X" and the person played for Team X, then you are probably OK. WP:NSPORT doesn't have a separate section for soccer. Given that she played (at least) 5 seasons professionally in the highest tier of Women's soccer leagues in this country, IMO, she not only meets NSPORT, she vaults over it.Naraht (talk) 14:56, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Adding football team colors

Hello friends,

I am trying to set up a football team’s colors so that a player’s information box would change colors to match that team, similar to how they do with most NFL and CFL teams.

The page has existed for some time now, but I am unable to figure out how to add their colors to the database (presently, it shows the default gray and black colors when you put in the team name under the ‘current team’ section of a player’s Infobox.

If anyone could provide me with a guide on how to add team colors to the database, that would be much appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taco098541 (talk • contribs) 18:45, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

@Taco098541: However you decide to proceed, bear in mind the mandatory requirements of MOS:CONTRAST. Bazza (talk) 09:52, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Policy differences between wikipedias

As per WP:CXT adding unedited machine translations is prohibited and I know they may be riddled with errors. However, it says that 1) they may be unsourced or poorly sourced and 2) they may not meet notability. Why is this? Is this because other wikipedias can have poorly sourced articles and non-notable subjects? If so, why this inconsistency between wikipedias? 26zhangi (talk) 21:11, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

26zhangi, different Wikipedias develop their own policies, so en Wikipedia is likely to have articles which are poorly sourced and about non-notable subjects according to de Wikipedia policies and vice versa. Also policies change and editors sometimes ignore policy, so en and de Wikipedia will have articles which are poorly sourced and about non-notable subjects according to their own policies. TSventon (talk) 21:25, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

@26zhangi: Yes, there are policy differences. That's because of a "meta-policy" of the WMF, which is that each Wikipedia is a separate project run by its own community of editors and subject only to a very few WMF overarching policies. -Arch dude (talk) 02:41, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Page says it has "multiple issues"

My page all of a sudden has multiple issues and I would just like to restore it to how it was. Please, if anyone can help me with this it would be greatly appreciated. Jrok89 (talk) 21:20, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Jrok89 The issues identified must be addressed. 331dot (talk) 21:23, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Can you help me address and fix them? I need serious help with this Jrok89 (talk) 21:31, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

What the article needs first is evidence that the subject meets Wikipedia notability criteria (specifically Wikipedia:Notability (music)). Furthermore, I note that you refer to the article (Jared Evan) as 'my page'. If you are Evan, you need to read the Wikipedia:Conflict of interest guideline. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:39, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Jrok89 Do you have an urgent need to address this quickly? Wikipedia has no deadlines. 331dot (talk) 21:52, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Not entirely urgent, just want to make sure my article stays in good standing and is reverted to how it was. All of a sudden there are all of these issues that I am so confused about. I just want to make sure it's fixed! Jrok89 (talk) 21:53, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Ok I just need help understanding this better and learn to how fix the errors. Yes, I am Jared Evan and just want the article fixed. Any guidance or help would be beyond appreciated. Jrok89 (talk) 21:54, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

The article will not be 'reverted to the way it was'. It wasn't compliant with Wikipedia policy. It still isn't. It appears that this has gone unnoticed previously, but that isn't a reason to ignore the obvious issues. Content (all of it) needs to be cited to published independent reliable sources. And it needs to be shown that such sources provide the necessary evidence to meet our notability criteria. Since you are the article subject, you shouldn't be editing it yourself, so instead I suggest you start looking for proper in-depth sourcing, and then list it all on the article talk page. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:03, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Got it, thank you so much for this information. I am new to this whole thing and was completely unaware of how the community works. I will definitely no longer make edits, and if I have any suggestions for future edits, I will definitely run them by the community here first. I will start looking for and compiling proper, in-depth sources and list them on the article talk page moving forward. Thank you so much again for this insight, it is truly helpful. Jrok89 (talk) 02:19, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Request for a review

Hi! I don't know if this is allowed here. If not, please let me know and delete the question. So I have just made two requests to edit, which you can find here: Talk:Douglas Cumming. It's not that I am in a hurry, but if possible, can someone look at it and respond to it?

Again, if this is not allowed, please reply and delete it afterward. Thank you. Bmjc98 (talk) 21:23, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Bjmc98 You may ask, but it's not likely to speed up the process, as everyone who makes an edit request would like it done quickly. Do you have a particular need for a speedy reply, more so than the other editors waiting? Note that pages like this typically archive their comments, they are not normally deleted. 331dot (talk) 21:28, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Bmjc98 All editors here are volunteers there is no guarantee that an edit request will be responded to in a time frame you desire. Can you explain why you wish for a quick response? -- StarryNightSky11 ☎ 02:16, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Nothing in particular. I was just hoping if it was possible. But thank you for the explanation though. Bmjc98 (talk) 13:13, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm not in a hurry, though. I was just wondering if it was possible, but thank you for letting me know. Sorry for the late response. Bmjc98 (talk) 13:12, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

• Bmjc98 Oops, I mistyped your username. 331dot (talk) 02:18, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

  HAHA. No problem. :) Bmjc98 (talk) 13:14, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Me too oops my mistake. -- StarryNightSky11 ☎ 02:21, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

No biggie. Bmjc98 (talk) 13:14, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

January 16

Non-English call signs for airlines

So for non-English speaking countries like PRC and Latin America region airlines have a non-English call sign to use for ATC comms, is it necessary to add those call signs to {{Infobox Airline}}? B-MIKE -(Talk) 02:07, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello, B-MIKE. The place to discuss this is Template talk:Infobox airline. (It's even possible that it's been discussed before, so have a look through the archive of that talk page). You could also drop a note on WT:WikiProject Aviation pointing to the discussion. ColinFine (talk) 15:16, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Cliff Thorburn

What is the difference between notes and references. Why Notes and notelist between {{}} don't appear for new article wizard? Both look same. Rambo XTerminator (talk) 07:49, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Rambo XTerminator. That particular article uses some unusual section headers. The section called "Notes" would usually be called "References", and the section called "References" would usually be called "Further reading". I suspect that the New article wizard uses the more common format. I do not know for sure, because I format all the articles that I write manually. Cullen328 (talk) 07:59, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

@Rambo XTerminator That's a featured article, which has gone through a lot of detailed discussion to reach its current state. The entries in the section called "Notes" are to explain some of the text but are not conventional citations. Most articles wouldn't have them but WP:EXPLNOTESECT is the guidance if they are used. The "References" section contains a set of general books that have been used as sources (some articles place this in a "Sources" section) followed by the standard citations brought together with the {{reflist}} template. I wouldn't expect editors using the new article wizard to be drafting such a complex article, which explains why all these features are not in the wizard. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:01, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Using MediaWiki buttons

I'm aware of {{Clickable button 2}} and similar templates, but based on mw:OOUI/Widgets/Inputs there should be a lot more variety of button styles available under "mw-ui-..." classes. Is there a listing of all available "mw-ui-..." classes that I can use in a page? CactiStaccingCrane 15:03, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Confusion in creating new categories - don't know how to get started

Hello there.

I'd be grateful for any help with creating a new category. I've tried reading the instructions carefully but I simply could not follow them - apologies.

I'd like to create a new category: "People educated at Scaitliffe School". This would be a sub-category of the already-existing "Category:People educated by school in Surrey"

Is there a complete Idiot's guide or video for this anywhere? The page on categorisation is not written for my lower skill level and I find it impossible to follow (no complaint intended!).

Thanks Oiona (talk) 17:24, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Oiona! Have you seen our Help pages Help:Categories and Help:Category? The task of creating a new category is not described very well, but I suppose you can find the main hint in the Help:Category#Category page definition section.

A simplest way to do so I learned is as follows (assuming you use a desktop view, not the mobile one, and you edit at the wikicode level, not in the visual editor):

1. Go to a page you want to categorize, for example James Reed (businessman).
2. Navigate to the bottom-most section of the page, James Reed (businessman)#External links, because the categories' links are placed at the end of the page.
3. Open the section for editing and navigate to its end.
4. Add a link to a new category [[Category:People educated at Scaitliffe School]].
5. Add an edit summary, say Adding a category, and save the page. Yes, save the page linked to a non-existing category.
   You may also want to remove the section indication from the summary (that is, the /* External links */ part) because your edit affects the article as a whole, not just that section.
6. Now click the red link People educated at Scaitliffe School among categories links at the bottom of the article, which leads to your new category page, and you'll find yourself editing the new category page.
7. Add some short description of the category meaning (if necessary), and link it to the appropriate super-category by adding [[Category:People educated by school in Surrey]] at its bottom.
8. Then save.
9. Done!

CiaPan (talk) 17:47, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

This entire process can be done much more simply using WP:HOTCAT. It's a great tool. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:22, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

I cannot thank you enough! I didn't mean to criticise the existing instructions, but I really could not follow them - whereas yours were perfect! Maybe it's best if categories are not too easy to create! Oiona (talk) 16:30, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

As a side note, they should all be renamed Alumni of school x. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:13, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Clarityfiend, I think that People educated at x School is used because of MOS:ENGVAR. TSventon (talk) 10:24, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Are you sure? I don't see what ENGVAR has to do with it. The majority of entries in Category:Alumni by secondary school use "alumni", though a strong minority do use "people educated". Clarityfiend (talk) 20:47, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Quite a lot to do with it: Scaitcliffe School is in Surrey, the category for which is Category:People educated by school in Surrey, a subcategory of Category:People educated by school in England, itself a subcategory of Category:People educated by school in the United Kingdom.

Incidentally, @Oiona, the school's article is at Scaitcliffe, with two "c"s confirmed by its references. Bazza (talk) 21:01, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Nominated for speedy renaming here. TSventon (talk) 23:47, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Oh my! Thanks very much - will have a look and see if I wreaked any other havoc. Oiona (talk) 07:54, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Oiona, Fortunately the instructions at WP:CFDS are fairly straightforward and include a criterion for requests for changes by the author of a category. TSventon (talk) 09:42, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

January 17

publish the article

hey editors, i want to publish my article, please help me, also, i received comments that press release can't be used, linkedin can't be used, paid content can't be used, affiliated organizations can't be used. then what can is allowed to be used Nicoleahua (talk) 03:34, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Nicoleahua and see Reliable sources for details why you can't use those. Third-party or second-party, reliable, and neutral sources are the only ones that can be used. You can't use first-party sources. The subject must be notable enough for inclusion. Paid editing is also heavily discouraged, since you also have a conflict of interest. I highly recommend visiting the pages I linked for you in this reply in blue, and also read Help: Your first article. ‍ ‍ Helloheart ‍ ‍ 04:11, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Johnson Yeh

hi @Nicoleahua and welcome to the Help Desk! what can be used for notability are reliable sources that are independent (not affiliated or professionally connected to) from the subject that cover them in depth (not just a passing mention). for writing about people, these include reputable news agencies like the Associated Press and Reuters. a short list of common sources that can and can't be used as such can be found at perennial sources. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 04:11, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Why are my changes being undone ?

Any constructive changes are being undone randomly!

It seems to be a concerted effort to not allow even valid edits. 106.51.245.18 (talk) 07:58, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP106. It looks like other users disagree with your edits. I recommend leaving a short note on why you think they're improvements at Talk:Fraser Town, Bangalore, and waiting for others to agree with you before editing the article again. I also recommend using edit summaries, as edits that remove blocks of content without any explanation are usually undone. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 08:04, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Timestamp help

I'm trying to use a reliably sourced video as a reference. However, I want to source it so that when you open it, it begins on a particular timestamp in the video itself. How do I do this? Zucat (talk) 08:10, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

@Zucat: if it's a YouTube video, you can usually link a specific timestamp by appending "?t=X" to the end of the video's url, where X is the number of seconds into the video. It's also helpful to include the timestamp in the citation. If you use Template:Cite AV media, you'd do so using the minutes parameter. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 08:17, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Backlogs and dead external links

Once someone use the dead link template, it should appear in the WP:Backlog. However, how can I see the link from the backlog. This page : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Articles_with_dead_external_links is only sending me to the article but not the link itself. Should I try every links to see which one doesn't work ? Thank you. Vincent-vst🚀 (talk) 08:52, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

@Vincent-vst: {{dead link}} should only be used right at the dead link. It says ^{[dead link]} on the rendered page. In Windows browsers you can search a page for a string with Ctrl+f. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:28, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

thank you Vincent-vst🚀 (talk) 09:45, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Tema Harbour

I have pictures of Tema harbour construction works during the fifties including picture of `last block laid` with inscription on 20 ton stone Saturday 27th September 1958. All photos taken by my late father. Do you want these pictures for inclusion in your web piece? Dont know how to contact you. 77.98.149.82 (talk) 09:21, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

You are contacting us now. Please direct questions about a particular article to its talk page, in this case Talk:Tema Harbour. For information on uploading images, please go to Files For Upload. 331dot (talk) 09:30, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello! More images for editors to chose from is generally a good thing. Images such as yours are kept on out sister-site Commons and you are welcome to make them available there. However.

You may be required to "prove" that you are the copyright holder of these images, and I don't know how that will work, exactly, in a case like this, but it should be possible though it may take some work on your part. Afaik, starting HERE is as good a way as any, but you should check the images you upload in the coming weeks, since they may be marked for deletion, and in that case you have to act to "save" them. Also, if you chose to upload these pics on Commons, don't mark them as "own work", that means "I'm the photographer" in this context. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:47, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

IP editor: It is great that you want to contribute these photos but I'm afraid there may be some hurdles to doing so. Ghana does not have Freedom of panorama in its laws, in addition to its copyright laws which have a term of 90 years after the death of the author. Assuming you are now the legal owner of the pictures by inheritance from your father, the latter part is OK but I think you should ask the experts at Wikimedia Commons about the FOP rules: the precise content of the images may be relevant. Their Help desk is at this link. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:14, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Deleted updates to our page

Hi there, I've just updated our organisation's wikipedia page: Officers' Association Because our user name references our organisation (the OA) the edits have been automatically deleted. I didn't know that I had to send the edits to be proof read by wikipedia before it would be accepted. I've read your 'help' articles and it says that I can request for the edits to be checked and then reinstated if they pass the checks. Can this be actioned? Many thanks in advance for your help. JaneO OA (talk) 10:40, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

@JaneO OA Further to @331dot's advice below, a quick look at that article shows it has zero reliable sources to back up the claims made in it. The single reference in the article is to your organisation's own web site, which is not considered a reliable source. I suggest that you carefully read WP:RS before attempting to have the article updated; then find some neutral sources (things which other unconnected people have published about your organisation) for each claim made, including your new ones, and list them on the article's talk page with your request. Bazza (talk) 11:08, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

@JaneO OA Your edits were undone, but not because of your username. The advice from Bazza is correct; please click on the "WP:RS" link and read all of that information. FYI, please don't think of that as your organization's Wikipedia page. Instead, it is Wikipedia's article about an organization, and you might be part of that organization -- but the article belongs to Wikipedia. It's not meant to sound rude, but it's a shift in thinking that will help you work with Wikipedia.

If the article does not gain some reliable, independent sources, it is likely to be nominated for deletion. David10244 (talk) 14:01, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

How to add a key information box on the right-hand side of the wiki page?

Hi there, we'd like to add a key information box to the right-hand side of our wiki page in a similar format to the one featured on the Royal British Legion wiki page: Royal British Legion. We'd like to include the organisation's abbreviation, formation, founder info etc etc. Can you advise on how we do this? I can't find the info on your help sections. Thanks JaneO OA (talk) 10:45, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

JaneO OA First, please read conflict of interest and make the appropriate disclosure on your user page(User:JaneO OA). If you are a paid representative of the organization(even if not specifically asked or paid to edit) the Terms of Use require you to make the stricter paid editing disclosure.

Please make a formal edit request(click for instructions) on the article talk page (Talk:Officers' Association) detailing changes you feel are needed. Note that it is not "your page", but a Wikipedia article about your organization. 331dot (talk) 10:48, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Also please read up on what Wikipedia regards as a reliable source WP:SOURCE. The Association's own website isn't up to the job. Wikipedia needs references from independent sources. - X201 (talk) 11:02, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

@JaneO OA: It's called an infobox. If you click the "Edit" tab on Royal British Legion then it says {{Infobox organization.... That means it uses Template:Infobox organization. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:29, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

@JaneO OA The article is currently very sparse because its only source is its own website. If it were written today, it would be unlikely to be accepted as-is as it doesn't meet the notability guidance for organisations. It would be very helpful if you could add to its Talk Page any reliable sources which are WP:independent (for example newspaper articles), so others can improve the content. Although you should not create/edit the infobox yourself, some of its suggested content can come directly from your website (see WP:ABOUTSELF for the guidance). Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:57, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Delete Account

How do I delete my account. I clicked on the link for that, but it just took me somewhere else that is confusing. AuthorKJS (talk) 12:35, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

hi @AuthorKJS and welcome to the Help Desk! you cannot delete an account due to technical reasons, however you may just leave the account inactive which is a perfectly alright alternative. happy reading! 💜  melecie  talk - 12:46, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Your account can't be deleted, as it's needed for attribution, but you may wish to read about WP:Retiring. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:52, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Former Greek Royal bios

All members of the former Greek Royal family must be titled correctly. For example: Is the former Prince Charles who currently is King Charles titled King Charles of Britain and the America's? No.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchism_in_the_United_States#:~:text=The%20revolutionary%20war%20officially%20ended,Kingdom%20being%20the%20last%20monarch.

Therefor all members of the former Greek royal family must be titled correctly as, like the USA, Greece abolished their monarchy. If any former members of the Former Greek Monarchy use former and abolished titles must be shown as a "pretender" or "former" royal. 2603:7000:4E3F:D700:454B:F732:7263:4D89 (talk) 13:53, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

The Greek royal family is still the Greek royal family, they just have no power or status. In any event, the best place to discuss this is the village pump. I also suspect you aren't the first person to do this and that there are prior discussions about it somewhere. 331dot (talk) 13:57, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Thatcis not correct! That is like saying King Charles is still King of the USA. 2603:7000:4E3F:D700:454B:F732:7263:4D89 (talk) 13:59, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

No, it's not. As I said, this isn't the right forum to discuss it. 331dot (talk) 14:01, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Since the referendum of 1974, all members of the royal family have been stripped of their honorary titles, based on Article 4 of the Greek Constitution. 2603:7000:4E3F:D700:454B:F732:7263:4D89 (talk) 14:02, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

He can't "still" be King of the USA because he never has been. Bazza (talk) 14:03, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

There is no "King of USA" title. 331dot (talk) 14:12, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Since the referendum of 1974, all members of the royal family have been stripped of their honorary titles, based on Article 4 of the Greek Constitution. 2603:7000:4E3F:D700:454B:F732:7263:4D89 (talk) 14:03, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm aware that the monarchy was abolished, but the royal family was not executed. They still exist. They have no power or status, but they exist. 331dot (talk) 14:04, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

One of them no longer, although he is referred to as a "king", and called by his regnal name. Bazza (talk) 14:11, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

What is a Pretender Royal?:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretender 2603:7000:4E3F:D700:454B:F732:7263:4D89 (talk) 13:58, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

What does the first sentence of the article you linked to say? Bazza (talk) 14:08, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

• I suppose this is about the titles of various biography articles such as

1. Pavlos, Crown Prince of Greece
2. Princess Alexia of Greece and Denmark
3. Prince Nikolaos of Greece and Denmark
4. Princess Theodora of Greece and Denmark (born 1983)
5. Prince Philippos of Greece and Denmark

I agree those titles are sketchy, but not for the reason the OP mentioned. By default, we use regal names but not honorifics in article titles: for instance Constantine II of Greece (not "King Constantine"), Elizabeth II (not "Queen Elizabeth II"). Queen Victoria might be an exception due to the need to have a disambiguation page at Victoria. However, we use the most common name if there is one, hence Edward the Black Prince (not Edward of Woodstock).

I do not think the abolition of the monarchy is a strong consideration. Louis XVI was "citoyen Louis Capet" in late 1792, and anyone printing his name otherwise at the time would get in trouble, but the vast majority of history books etc. still refer to him as Louis XVI.

That being said, the question becomes what individuals #1-#5 are referred to by the majority of reliable sources, and what alternative titles we could use. "Pretender Pavlos" is not going to fly (that’s significantly more POV than "Crown Prince Pavlos"), but simply Pavlos is obviously a DAB page. Those royals don’t seem to use family names among themselves, but the French-Wikipedia page has an alternate title Παύλος Γλίξμπουργκ / Pávlos Glücksburg (from House of Glücksburg). I suppose that’s what on Pavlos’ ID card at Επώνυμο, but we’re getting into WP:OR territory.

I will post something at WT:GREECE and see what happens.

TIL that Constantine II was alive. Well, now he’s dead, but he was alive until last week.

Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 15:23, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

How do I add a neutrality disputed tag?

There is a certain article which is written with a very heavy bias towards the subject. How do I add a "neutrality disputed" tag to it? Any and all help will be appreciated. Nsn2635 (talk) 14:57, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

@Nsn2635 You should add the text {{POV}} to the article that you found, and also date the tag by writing the text followed by the date EX: {{POV|date=January 2023}} The Night Watch (talk) 15:22, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Appreciate your help! Nsn2635 (talk) 15:25, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

... and, as the template page says: "... then explain your reasons on the article's talk page". - David Biddulph (talk) 15:28, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Informational Pages on Airlines

I constantly use Wikipedia to help with personal work I do at home and only at home. Many airline pages I find have so many discrepancies. By this I mean that the main page has one bit of information while the destination page has another bit of information that doesn't match. I understand that it is not easy to keep track of all the information. I also understand that for whatever reason not many people follow what should be and just post haphazardly. Plus, information can be wrong when obtained by the time it is placed on the page. Where, airlines are concerned it can be obsolete within minutes, that is just the way it is, and it cannot be changed. But at least it should all be consistent, if it is said in one place it should say it in another within the same subject. 2601:58B:C01:3D30:F4F9:84CC:C35E:DAED (talk) 14:57, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Please tell us which exact pages have which conflicting information, if you want us to fix it. Or even better, fix it yourself! You managed to post here, editing a page is not much harder. Just make sure to cite a reliable source for the information you want to add.

On a general note, yes, it’s hard to keep information consistent across pages. Statements that are at risk of being dated should used the special template {{as of}}. That generates a statement that "as of (date), (some potentially-dated information)" (which could be done by hand) but it also puts it in a special category that editors can patrol to check and update (which cannot, or not easily, be done by hand). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 16:04, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a directory - you are using Wikipedia information for a purpose Wikipedia was not really designed for. That also means that to a large degree some Wikipedia editors are trying to maintain information on Wikipedia at a level of detail beyond Wikipedia's purpose and as you correctly point out failing at it. Maungapohatu (talk) 03:29, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

How to refer to Joe Biden when describing an event that took place after he ceased to be VPOTUS and before be became POTUS?

I've been tweaking section Working definition of antisemitism#Competing definitions of antisemitism and noticed this quote from an external source: "more than 100 prominent Jewish leaders in a September letter to President Joe Biden". Now the problem is that the September in question was September 2020, ie a time when Joe Biden had ceased to be VPOTUS and had not yet become POTUS. AFAIK, past VPOTUSs and POTUSs continue to be referred to using their previous rank, but I don't know what is correct in a situation like this one, where we have an article which includes a quote published (in March 2021) once Joe Biden was POTUS, describing an event which occurred before he became POTUS. Help, please! Misha Wolf (talk) 15:17, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

The rank of president is for life, so President Obama is the correct address. As for vice presidents however, I can't find anything that says this is the case, although it appears to be an accepted norm with the addition of former somewhere nearby eg "former vice president Cheney" or e.g "...by vice president Cheney. The former vice president was..." - X201 (talk) 15:41, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Misha Wolf (talk) 15:52, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Oops! I've realised that the point is moot as the title, whether correct or incorrect, occurs in a quote. So I'd like to add a clarification to the article:

• making clear that the September in question is September 2020,
• (possibly) clarifying that Biden was not yet POTUS at that time.

Is a Note the best way to do this? If so, how do I insert one? The visual editor doesn't seem to provide a way of doing this. Thanks Misha Wolf (talk) 15:50, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

I would suggest to put that information when introducing the quote, asssuming it is useful (otherwise, omit it). For instance: in a letter written in September 2020 to then-candidate Joe Biden but published in March 2021 after Biden’s inauguration... Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 15:56, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, but the problem is that such an intro covers pretty much the same territory as the quote. Also, the timeline is:

• September 2020: The Nexus Task Force's letter was sent to Joe Biden
• March 2021: The Nexus Task Force's definition of antisemitism was published
• March 2021: The article, mentioning both events, appeared in The Forward

Is the inclusion of clarifying bits of text acceptable in a quote if it is placed within square brackets? For example:

The work of the task force "was endorsed by more than 100 prominent Jewish leaders in a September [2020] letter to President Joe Biden". Misha Wolf (talk) 16:22, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

@Misha Wolf I don't see why you can't use the source for the information but paraphrase it so you don't need a direct quote. Then, since you are wikilinking Biden, you don't need to specify his rank. Thus you could have "In September 2020, more than 100 Jewish leaders sent a letter to Joe Biden endorsing the task force's definition [of antisemitism]". Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:46, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

That's great! Thanks. Done. Misha Wolf (talk) 19:04, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

@Misha Wolf Glad to help. You added a "had" to the sentence which isn't needed and I have removed. I also suggest you remove the word "prominent", since the sources quoted don't mention the status of these individuals and you have indulged in WP:SYNTHESIS. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:04, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull, I had included the word "had" as the sending of the letter took place before the publication of the definition but the two events are described in reverse chronological order. But if you think that it's not needed, then that's fine with me. Re the word "prominent", this had been part of the quotation until the recent change, which you kindly helped with. I've now restored the quotation marks around the words "more than 100 prominent Jewish leaders" to make clear that this is a quote. OK? Thanks Misha Wolf (talk) 15:57, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Delete account

Can some sysop just completelly delete my account? Thanks Gabriel.N.Ish (talk) 16:14, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

See the answers in section #Delete Account above. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:16, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Accounts aren't typically deleted for several reasons, you can simply stop using your account or place a retired tag on your user page. You may wish to read about courtesy vanishing as well. StarryNightSky11 ☎ 03:32, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

when will wikipedia help their editors imprisoned in Saudi Arabia?

Democracy Now on 1/17/2022 published a report that Wikipedia editors in Saudi Arabia have been imprisoned, one person was sentenced to 30 years, for criticizing the regime. When will Wikipedia speak up or at least provide legal assistance for staff? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.12.29.86 (talk) 17:02, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP73. While an important issue, this is not a question about how to use or edit Wikipedia, the focus of this page. You might like to join an open conversation on the issue here. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:19, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

For the record, Wikipedia editors are tens of thousands of volunteers around the World and not staff in the sense of https://wikimediafoundation.org/role/staff-contractors/. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:59, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Here's a link to the Democracy Now article. Even Wikipedia administrators are volunteers, and not employees of the Wikimedia Foundation. GoingBatty (talk) 04:08, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Page is not opening

Hi Wiki Support, The page is not opening: https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:New_user_landing_page&page=Marta+Grigorieva It says "The article that you're looking for doesn't exist." Is it deleted? How/if could I request republishing of this page. What are the next steps to do so?

Thanks, Marta Maroz1985 (talk) 20:46, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

@Maroz1985, it was deleted in August of last year per the discussion at Articles for deletion/Marta Grigorieva. You can ask for a copy of it at WP:REFUND, or challenge the deletion via Wikipedia:Deletion review. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:53, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Additionally, if you are Marta Grigorieva, you should review our guideline on editing with a conflict of interest: WP:COI. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:56, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

January 18

Include Company is Wiki

I wish to include my employer name in wiki, how to go about it? 175.136.254.105 (talk) 02:28, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Does your company have an article? If not it'll need to meet Wikipedia's notability policy before it would be able to be created. StarryNightSky11 ☎ 03:02, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Please also read Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) for the more specific notability guideline for companies. Cullen328 (talk) 03:41, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

help

I added a famous Japanese model to add a source, but it was removed because it was considered an organized advertisement. I made a counter-argument, but it was quickly dismissed. What should I do in this case?~ ~ ~ ~ Tomatopastalove (talk) 05:11, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi Tomatopastalove. Typically what you should do in a case like this is follow Wikipedia:Dispute resolution and use the article's corresponding talk page to see if yoou can establish a WP:CONSENSUS in favor of the edit you want to make. You should base your argument on relevant Wikipedia polcies and guidelines because that's the best way to convince others that the edit is an improvement that should be made. What you shouldn't try to do is force through the edit you want to make. Most likely it will end up being reverted again, and could possibly lead to WP:EDITWARRING. That does nobody any good any often ends up with a Wikipedia administrator stepping in and taking action against all or some of those involved. It's up to you per WP:ONUS to convince others that the content you want to add is an improvement and the best way to try and do that is through discussion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:21, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

I wrote it in a notebook, but it was deleted without any discussion. I just want to volunteer to add Japanese models to the English Wikipedia Tomatopastalove (talk) 05:26, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Tomatopastalove. "add[ing] X to the English Wikipedia" almost always means "creating a well-sourced and neutrally written encyclopaedia article about X in Wikipedia": - nothing less. If the models in question meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability (roughly, that several people unconnected with them have written about them at some length and been published in reliable sources), then articles about them could be written. But only then should they be added to any lists. See write the article first. ColinFine (talk) 11:33, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Adding content

I want to add a brief description of my contribution to science. How do I do that? 24.187.157.131 (talk) 15:00, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

You don't, due to the conflict of interest that presents- as well as due to the fact that Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources say about a topic. Please review these links. If you have independent reliable sources that discuss your work, please make a formal edit request on the relevant article talk page. 331dot (talk) 15:03, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Once Notable, Always Notable...

I've seen this phrase used in a number of AFDs and elsewhere. Is there a page in the policy that talks about that concept in more depth?Naraht (talk) 15:02, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

WP:NOTTEMPORARY says that notability is not temporary. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:37, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

How do i fix wikipedia

All of the contents are on the side now?? There's a huge amount of dead space??? 76.174.240.67 (talk) 16:43, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

The default skin has now changed. If you create an account, you can use an older skin. 331dot (talk) 16:44, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

@331dot: What was the old default skin? Apparently thats what I was using before, and I was not expecting the new skin to apply to everyone. RudolfRed (talk) 16:46, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

RudolfRed There was an announcement about the skin changing, I think the old one off the top of my head was called Vector 2010, the new one is Vector 2022. 331dot (talk) 16:51, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

That's it. Thanks! RudolfRed (talk) 16:56, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

i fucking hate software developers 76.174.240.67 (talk) 16:46, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

How to restore old Wikipedia page layout

For some reason, all the articles in Wikipedia look like this for me at the moment [4]https://imgur.com/a/YzAoTG2

How can I change it back to the classic article layout of [5]https://imgur.com/a/StCwiJs where the main menu is always visible in the side? 161.97.220.135 (talk) 16:48, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

You will need to create an account and set your account preferences to the prior skin. 331dot (talk) 16:49, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Changing to the prior skin mostly worked but there's still a lot of blank space [6]https://imgur.com/a/HdGBXhW compared to before. Is there any way to remove the blank space? Matematica6 (talk) 17:03, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I was willing to try the new "improved" skin, but there are a couple of problems with it:

1. It's squeezed into the middle of my screen, fully 50% of the display is wasted. Why doesn't it adjust to the available real estate?
2. Where has the watchlist gone? I found the inconvenient dropdown "personal pages", but the watchlist is missing.

I'll wait until the bugs are sorted out before trying again. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 17:06, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

@Martin of Sheffield - At the top right of any page, the link with the word "Watchlist" has been replaced with an icon of three horizontal lines and a star. GoingBatty (talk) 17:13, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Martin of Sheffield: The watchlist now is (was in my case as I quickly restored the 2010 version) found via its own icon at the top of the page. I needed to hover over it to find what it meant... Eagleash (talk) 17:16, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) EH? Why on earth? It's so obvious NOT that "three horizontal lines and a star" means watchlist! <next comment deleted on reflection> Martin of Sheffield (talk) 17:18, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Who changed this and why? Who asked for this change? Everything looks ugly now. This site has become the next IMDb. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 17:46, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Disable limited content mode by default

With the new Wikipedia design, the "limited content mode" is enabled by default when loading a page. This mode makes the content inconvenient to read as one has to scroll more. It also makes content on some pages too condensed or plain unreadable (e.g. the table in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVX-512#CPUs_with_AVX-512).

Please, either disable the "limited content mode" by default or at least make it persistent across all Wikipedia pages and across page reloads. 2A02:2168:84D9:2200:D6CB:69C2:6A20:23C2 (talk) 17:20, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

You're going to want to sign up for an account and go Preferences → Appearance → Skin → Vector legacy (2010). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:40, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Both of those options (for logged out users) have already been discussed and rejected for various reasons by the design team. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:41, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

I've gone back to the old skin because TBH the new skin isn't to my taste. However, you can only do this via the preferences of a logged in user. If you are browsing via an IP address, you're stuck with the new skin.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 17:50, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

So what you're saying is one has to register in Wikipedia now to be able to read articles properly? This is unacceptable to me. 2A02:2168:84D9:2200:D6CB:69C2:6A20:23C2 (talk) 18:05, 18 January 2023 (UTC)