Talk:Arabian Gulf Cup

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This article has been renamed from Persian Gulf Cup of Nations to Gulf Cup of Nations as the result of a move request.

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The result of the proposal was - restore to official name of tournament. Keith D (talk) 22:09, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

The current title is not the offical name of the tournament. Its Gulf Cup of Nations. Chaldean (talk) 16:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

It's Gulf Cup of Nations  A M M A R  16:24, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

This isn't the Persian Gulf and Arabian Gulf naming conflict. The Gulf Cup of Nations has it Official name by the UAFA. Mussav (talk) 01:40, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

btw, the person who made all the mess is User:Shahin.shn. Mussav (talk) 01:41, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

So what happened? Mussav (talk) 07:36, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

That user move a bunch of other similar articles (related to this tournament), so those will need to be moved back too. TJ Spyke 08:43, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Support move and sort any problems here as per TJ Spyke. Cross porpoises (talk) 19:27, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Support for sure, The Gulf Cup of Nations has it Official name by the UAFA. But the problem is when we revert the page it says: The page could not be moved: a page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid. Please choose another name, or use Requested moves to ask an administrator to help you with the move. Do not manually move the article by copying and pasting it; the page history must be moved along with the article text. Mussav (talk) 19:50, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
False! The Arabian Gulf Cup is not officially named as the "Gulf Cup of Nations", or the "Persian Gulf Cup of Nations", or whatever, it DOES NOT MATTER what the UAFA recognizes the tournament as, Arabian Gulf Cup has nothing whatsoever to do with the UAFA, and most teams competing in this competition don't even belong to the UAFA. Please change the name of this page from the "Gulf Cup of Nations", to the "Arabian Gulf Cup", because it is simply wrong and unprofessional that this competition is having it's name changes over the Arabian-Persian Gulf Conflict. This is really silly, the name of this competition must be changed back to it's official name, regardless of the conflict of the body of water.--85.154.168.112 (talk) 08:12, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Against the tournament being named "The Gulf Cup of Nations". I have cited the reasons why the tournament should be re-named the official name of the tournament, "The Arabian Gulf Cup. We are not debating here whether the Persian Gulf is named the so-called "Arabian Gulf", we are just trying to give a reliable piece of information to the public. WAFF claims this competition to be name the "Gulf Cup of Nations", but in fact the WAFF has nothing to do with this tournament, and only one nation participating in this tournament is a member of the WAFF association. If the name of this page will not change, I just wish to have the public know that the official name of the tournament is The Arabian Gulf Cup, because that would be the most honest thing to do.Salalah4life (talk) 08:46, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

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A Kuwaiti player scored 5 goals in a match against Qatar in Gulf cup 1998. I will added it. --Qadsawi (talk) 14:47, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

All Time Goal Records

I suggest this section and other records are updated at the end of the tournement to save on any confusion if edited during the tournement. Druryfire (talk) 12:43, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Salalah4life 's edit

(1) You can not site primary sources for a name, see WP:PRIMARY. (2) The pages you are citing do not meet the requirements of WP:RS. (3) The most common name in English is Gulf Cup, the full name is Gulf Cup of Nations (4) The full translation of the Cup's official name in Arabic is "Cup for the Arab States of the Gulf" or "Cup of the Arab nations of the Gulf" (4) The official website of the competition is www.gulfcup.com, and uses the name Gulf Cup. --Kurdo777 (talk) 09:11, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Kurdo777's claim on the official name of the tournament

User Kurdo777 has numerously tried to hide the official name of the tournament; I plainly stated that the tournament was officially named as The Arabian Gulf Cup (just look at the competition logos, you've got to be an idiot not to understand that it is named "The Arabian Gulf Cup". I did not change the name of the competition, I just said that it was officially named as the Arabian Gulf Cup, Kurdo777 gets so angry...Hidden agenda?? you tell me... Salalah4life (talk) 07:21, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Comment as there is some problem over the naming of the tournament that is supported by some sources then this needs to be mentioned in the main article and not ignored. Keith D (talk) 12:26, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

So are you supporting me or against me? --Salalah4life (talk) 05:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Anybody can make a logo, and images are not secondary sources anyways, and can not be used as a source, doing so is a violation of WP:OR and WP:Primary. The competition's official name is Gulf Cup, as explained in details in the above section. --Kurdo777 (talk) 14:27, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

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@Hashim-afc: Do you have an RS that supports your recent move of the page from the 'Gulf Cup of Nations' to the 'Arabian Gulf Cup'? The sources that I see show the name of the competition as the Gulf Cup of Nations:

• Saudi Arabia announce youthful squad list for Gulf Cup of Nations
• Gulf Cup of Nations switched from Qatar to Kuwait after FIFA lift suspension
• Gulf Cup of Nations deadline pushed back over Qatar crisis
• Kuwait suspension lifted by FIFA in time for Gulf Cup of Nations in Qatar
• GULF CUP OF NATIONS
• Gulf Cup of Nations "unlikely" to be played amid political crisis, official claims --Bijanii (talk) 07:46, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

@Bijanii: Hi Bijanii. All official sources state the name as Arabian Gulf Cup (Template:Lang-ar, Kass Al-Khaleej Al-Arabi) or the shortened form Gulf Cup. Zero official sources state it as Gulf Cup of Nations. Only some English news websites do this, likely due to the fact that it was the name on Wikipedia. Not even Arabic news sites uses this name. The official sources I am talking about are the official Gulf Cup website,, the official AGCFF Twitter page,, the official logo of the tournament has "Arabian Gulf Cup" written in both Arabic and English. Furthermore, the full name of the AGCFF (organisers of tournament) is "إتحاد كأس الخليج العربي لكرة القدم‎", the 'AGC' part of their name in bold is Arabian Gulf Cup. So it is quite clear that this is the competition's official name. As for the individual seasons, the Gulf Cup seasons are named in numbers, similar to the UFC or Wrestlemania numbering each edition. The sources for this are plentiful, the official Gulf Cup website,, the official AGCFF Twitter, and many many Arab news sites such as: . And also the tournament's logo. As said before, no official source calls it Gulf Cup of Nations, only some English news sites. Hope I explained clearly. Hashim-afc (talk) 13:51, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Do you have any English-language sources that support your claim of the recent name change to the 'Arabian Gulf Cup'?--Bijanii (talk) 17:50, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

@Bijanii: Yes, Goalzz.com in English says the tournament's name is Arabian Gulf Cup. However like I said before, much more important is to have official sources, i.e. from official website, official Twitter, official logo etc rather than English news websites. The name is officially "كأس الخليج العربي" as I showed in the many sources above and this word for word translates to "Arabian Gulf Cup". And if you specifically want in English, here is the official logo of the tournament released on Thursday which clearly written "Arabian Gulf Cup" in English, and same with the logo of the tournament organisers ACGFF. Clearly, official sources are more reliable than some English news websites. For example many English sources call the Iraqi Premier League the "Iraq Super League", but all the official sources e.g. from the FA website and Twitter calls it Iraqi Premier League and hence that is the name, same case with this cup. Hashim-afc (talk) 20:03, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Just as a note...it's not necessarily "much more important...to have official sources", per WP:COMMONNAME. Not saying that's the case here, natually, just observing that that does need to be borne in mind. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:33, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

What I meant by that is for example many news websites call the EFL Cup the "League Cup" but we know that is not the correct name because all official sources such as the tournament's website, Twitter and logo has the name as "EFL Cup" and the same situation here. Hashim-afc (talk) 13:48, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

FIFA.com themselves wrote an article a few days ago and called it the Arabian Gulf Cup so that should end all discussion if the tournament's official website/logo didn't do so already. Hashim-afc (talk) 13:48, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Gulf Cup of Nations has been restored per WP:COMMONNAME as almost all sources refer to the tournament as the Gulf Cup of Nations, including stat-tracking sites such as Soccerway and news articles such as Goal.com and Four Four Two. Hashim-afc never sought WP:RM before making the page moves, and the category move request was denied for this reason with no consensus. There are also other tournaments with the name "Arabian Gulf Cup", and the 2013 edition was also simply known as "The Gulf Cup".

@Bijanii: What are you talking about?

http://www.fifa.com/live-scores/news/y=2017/m=12/news=fifa-president-impressed-with-gulf-cup-kick-off-2925682.html

http://www.fifa.com/live-scores/photos/galleries/y=2018/m=1/gallery=arabian-gulf-cup-final-2925951.html

http://www.goalzz.com/?c=15220

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-01/06/c_136875249.htm

http://news.kuwaittimes.net/website/oman-win-23rd-arabian-gulf-cup-uae-pay-penalty-%E2%80%A2-fans-hurt-railing-collapses/

http://dubaieye1038.com/uae-beat-iraq-to-reach-finals-of-arabian-gulf-cup/

http://www.dohastadiumplusqatar.com/contentpage.aspx?article=Kuwait-crash-out-of-Arabian-Gulf-Cup

http://iraqi-football.com/trophy-cabinet

https://en.as.com/en/2018/01/05/football/1515147284_248853.html

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/sports/2018/01/03/UAE-to-face-Oman-in-Arabian-Gulf-Cup-final.html

https://www.khaleejtimes.com/business/aviation/want-to-see-uae-play-at-arabian-gulf-cup-finale-emirates-to-operate-special-flight

And these sites are just from a quick Google search of "Arabian Gulf Cup" into Google. I could find many many more. Both names are commonly used in English media. You have completely made up that "almost all sources" calls it Gulf Cup of Nations. FIFA.com even calls it Arabian Gulf Cup for goodness sake. Please drop your agenda of changing everything that has "Arabian Gulf" in it and stop disrupting Wikipedia. Hashim-afc (talk) 00:16, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

References

You're obviously pushing the term "Arabian Gulf Cup", though most sources have it known as the "Gulf Cup of Nations". You also didn't seek WP:RM before making these changes. Here are some more sources with the "Gulf Cup of Nations" term after a simple Google search:

https://www.thenational.ae/sport/football/agony-for-uae-and-abdulrahman-as-oman-capture-the-gulf-cup-of-nations-title-1.693024

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-12/26/c_136852257.htm

http://www.goal.com/en-sa/news/gulf-cup-2017-group-stage-round-up/10jrflpvi0dqhzw7qquipx0lf

https://www.flashscore.com/football/asia/gulf-cup-of-nations/

https://www.soccer24.com/asia/gulf-cup-of-nations/

http://www.fourfourtwoarabia.com/8-things-look-23rd-gulf-cup-nations/

https://www.thenational.ae/sport/football/uae-breathe-a-sigh-of-relief-as-oman-send-saudi-arabia-packing-from-gulf-cup-of-nations-1.691330

https://www.eurosport.com/football/gulf-cup/2017/calendar-result.shtml

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201712/26/WS5a41b9ffa31008cf16da37d4.html

@Bijanii: And here are more sources that use Arabian Gulf Cup:

http://en.ammonnews.net/article.aspx?articleno=36889#.WmvHjahl_IU

http://www.emirates247.com/news/emirates/emirates-operates-special-flight-for-uae-supporters-for-arabian-gulf-cup-final-2018-01-04-1.663605

http://gulftoday.ae/portal/2204bebb-bc0c-4805-b30b-71e2b3ea65a3.aspx

https://www.kuna.net.kw/ArticleDetails.aspx?id=2681609&language=en

http://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/story/21187/Iraq-seeks-to-host-24th-Arabian-Gulf-Cup

https://www.sportsjournal.ae/kuwait-knocked-arabian-gulf-cup-nations-oman-defeat/

http://www.arabianindustry.com/aviation/news/2018/jan/3/emirates-to-operate-special-flight-for-uae-supporters-to-arabian-gulf-cup-final-5864807/

https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/emirates-to-operate-special-a380-flight-to-kuwait-for-uae-supporters-to-attend-arabian-gulf-cup-final

http://the18.com/soccer-news/arabian-gulf-cup-final-oman-vs-uae

http://ina.iq/eng/2017/12/27/iraq-wins-over-qatar-in-the-23rd-arabian-gulf-cup/

http://www.arnnewscentre.ae/uae-defeated-by-oman-in-finals-of-arabian-gulf-cup

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/sports/2018/01/03/UAE-to-face-Oman-in-Arabian-Gulf-Cup-final.html

https://www.khaleejtimes.com/business/aviation/want-to-see-uae-play-at-arabian-gulf-cup-finale-emirates-to-operate-special-flight

As you can see, I am not pushing anything. Countless English sources use the name. Clearly, both names are commonly used. And Arabian Gulf Cup is the OFFICIAL name as I proved above. Hashim-afc (talk) 00:31, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Official names aren't necessarily used, please see WP:COMMONNAME. There is also the UAE League Cup with the term "Arabian Gulf Cup", and this tournament is widely known as the "Gulf Cup of Nations". And see WP:RM before making moves, as you should've back in December before changing them without consensus.--Bijanii (talk) 00:33, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

I know they are not necessarily used but I have also proved that it is WP:COMMONNAME too. This move is not controversial at all, you're the only one bringing up an issue because you have something against the term Arabian Gulf. Hashim-afc (talk) 00:37, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Official Name

Its called the Gulf Cup and should be called as such per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_titles#Use_commonly_recognizable_names. Google searches show considerably more unique results related to "Gulf Cup" as well. Name needs to be changed back to Gulf Cup. Even the official logo uses "Gulf Cup" in English. Nokhodi (talk) 18:02, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

References

Requested move 27 January 2018

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Moved as proposed. This is a close discussion, but substantial evidence supports the proposition that the official name and common name line up at Arabian Gulf Cup, and that this is the primary meaning of that phrase, despite other less prominent uses. bd2412 T 20:21, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Gulf Cup of Nations → Arabian Gulf Cup – This is not only the official name of the tournament as proven by the tournament's logo (https://twitter.com/KuwaitFA/status/941332592615477248), tournament's Twitter page (https://twitter.com/AGCFF) and tournament's website (http://gulfcup.com/indexa.php), but is also WP:COMMONNAME in English sources as shown by the following sources (including FIFA.com themselves):

fifa, fifa, goalzz, foxnews, goal.com, xinhuanet, gulfcup19, kuwaittimes, dubaieye1038, dohastadiumplusqatar, iraqi-football, en.as.com, alarabiya.net, khaleejtimes, socceriraq, ammonnews, emirates247, thenational, gulftoday, khaleejtimes, kuna.net, kuna.net, thebaghdadpost, mathrubhumi, sportsjournal, arabianindustry, emirates, the18.com, ina.iq, arnnewscentre, emirates247, arabianbusiness, alarabiya, khaleejtimes, arabianbusiness, kuna.net, aviation24, sharjah24, nbyemen, kuwaittimes, gulfnews, kuna.net, aipsmedia, wam.ae, indiansinkuwait, zawya, albawaba, gulf-insider, kuwaitlocal, arabianaerospace, gulfbusiness, bna.bh

Really, this move is not controversial at all but one particular user called Bijanii has a specific agenda against any use of the term Arabian Gulf despite this actually being both the commonly used and official name of the tournament so I have had to come here for WP:RM. I am not the only person to have noticed this anti-Arabian Gulf agenda that Bijanii has, others including User:UA3 also noticed this.

Edit: Something else I have found since nominating this (which I discussed below) are stamps from 1976, 1984, 1996 and 1998 which all state the name "Arabian Gulf Cup Football Tournament". The fact that stamps from over 40 years ago (basically when the tournament was founded) have this name, and there are no stamps with name "Gulf Cup of Nations", shows that this page move would not be WP:RECENTISM in any way and shows that the name Arabian Gulf Cup has been the commonly used name of the tournament for its entire existence. Here are the stamps:

1976: https://swmedia-4cd6.kxcdn.com/media/catalogue/Qatar/Postage-stamps/OB-s.jpg

1984: https://www.stampworld.com/stamps/Oman/Postage-stamps/g0143/

1996: https://www.stampworld.com/en/stamps/Oman/Postage%20stamps/1971-2016?user=0&page=7

1998: https://www.stampworld.com/stamps/Bahrain/Postage-stamps/g0664/

Edit 2: Also would like to mention as part of my nomination that WP:COMMONNAME says "Ambiguous or inaccurate names for the article subject, as determined in reliable sources, are often avoided even though they may be more frequently used by reliable sources". The name Gulf Cup of Nations suggests this tournament is for all the nations from the Gulf. However, it is not. It is only for Arabian nations from the Gulf. Thus Arabian Gulf Cup, even if it was less commonly used than Gulf Cup of Nations (which is not the case, as I showed below) it would be the more accurate and unambiguous name for the article. Hashim-afc (talk) 03:25, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 11:13, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support per nom. GiantSnowman 11:13, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support. --Mojackjutaily (talk) 15:02, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. It seems to have been primarily known as the Gulf Cup, and I can also find numerous references referring to it as "Gulf Cup of Nations," including FIFA.com (e.g, UAE "hosting the Gulf Cup of Nations in 1982, 1994 and 2007" but there are many more). Only the 2017 tournament seems to have any consistent references as "Arabian Gulf Cup." On the historic basis, this being more than a one-off tournament, "Gulf Cup of Nations" seems appropriate if differentiation from "Gulf Cup" is considered necessary. In addition, the current name serves to disambiguate for other competitions also sometimes referred to as "Arabian Gulf Cup," such as the UAE League Cup. Alternatively, it could be moved to Gulf Cup with a hatnote if editors agree this is the primary topic. Also, please notice the earlier discussions on this talk page. Jack N. Stock (talk) 16:02, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

  Not true at all that only the 2017 tournament was called Arabian Gulf Cup. I don't know where you've got this from. Here are sources showing the 2014 edition was called the 22nd Arabian Gulf Cup:

http://www.gulfcup.sa/en/index.php (official site)

http://www.goalzz.com/?c=10141

http://www.arabnews.com/sports/news/665941

https://www.kuna.net.kw/ArticlePrintPage.aspx?id=2408046&language=en

http://www.uaefa.ae/en/index.php?go=news&more=19034

http://www.finesttouch.com.sa/ww/?p=5921

http://www.middleeastevents.com/news/page/riyadh-region-launches-celebrations-for-22nd-arabian-gulf-cup/22158#.WmylSKhl_IU

Here are sources showing the 2013 edition was called the 21st Arabian Gulf Cup:

http://www.goalzz.com/?c=7946

https://www.twofour54.com/en/media-centre/press-releases/2013/2013-01-10-twofour54-intaj-manages-broadcast-production-of-the-Arabian-Gulf-Cup-2013-in-Bahrain?offset=27&month=&year=&unit=

http://bna.bh/portal/en/news/519689?date=2014-01-09

https://www.kuna.net.kw/ArticleDetails.aspx?language=en&id=1965539

http://broadcastprome.com/news/twofour54-intaj-and-bsg-tie-to-cover-arabian-gulf-cup-in-bahrain/

http://www.live-production.tv/news/sports/twofour54-intaj-manages-broadcast-production-arabian-gulf-cup-2013-bahrain.html

http://kirkuknow.com/english/?p=14697

http://www.spa.gov.sa/1065294

https://reliefweb.int/sites/reliefweb.int/files/resources/8AA260ED8D13FAA985257538005E73AC-Full_Report.pdf

http://ruw.edu.bh/sites/default/files/10.%20Summer%202016.pdf

Here are sources showing the 2010 edition was called the 20th Arabian Gulf Cup:

http://www.goalzz.com/?c=4648

http://www.nbyemen.com/Gulf20_en.html

https://www.kuna.net.kw/ArticlePrintPage.aspx?id=2125916&language=en

https://www.kuna.net.kw/ArticleDetails.aspx?id=2125788&language=en

https://www.kuna.net.kw/ArticlePrintPage.aspx?id=2126062&language=en

http://www.goalzz.com/main.aspx?album=4648&item=1146645&pg=7

http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/bahrain/security-to-top-gcc-summit-agenda-1.715639

http://www.spa.gov.sa/840281

https://www.gettyimages.co.nz/detail/news-photo/kuwaits-mohammed-rashid-vies-for-the-ball-against-qatars-news-photo/107075279#kuwaits-mohammed-rashid-vies-for-the-ball-against-qatars-abdul-aziz-picture-id107075279

http://www.omaninfo.com/news/yemen-beckons-omani-tourists.asp

http://www.ttnworldwide.com/Article/10663/Yemen_ramps_up_tourism_investment_programmes

http://ttnonline.com/Article/10977

http://www.dw.com/ar/%D9%81%D9%8A%D9%81%D8%A7-%D9%8A%D9%82%D8%B1%D8%B1-%D8%A5%D9%8A%D9%82%D8%A7%D9%81-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%AA%D8%AD%D8%A7%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%83%D9%88%D9%8A%D8%AA%D9%8A-%D9%84%D9%83%D8%B1%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%82%D8%AF%D9%85/a-18788002

Here are sources showing the 2009 edition was called the 19th Arabian Gulf Cup:

http://web.archive.org/web/20090207162221/http://gulfcup19.com:80/english/index.aspx (official site)

https://reliefweb.int/sites/reliefweb.int/files/resources/8AA260ED8D13FAA985257538005E73AC-Full_Report.pdf

http://www.middleeastevents.com/news/page/nike-announces-key-sponsorship-support-for-rsquogcc-19rsquo/4943#.WmyoFahl_IU

http://www.businesstoday.co.om/Issues/Slow-But-Steady/Also-in-the-news

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/204224.php

http://doha.biz/2010/08/26/designing-future-proof-world-class-stadiums-to-propel-the-middle-east-to-the-forefront-of-sporting-tourism/

http://thecicc.com/pages/sports-world-24.html

https://www.kuna.net.kw/ArticleDetails.aspx?id=1966490&language=en

https://www.ooredoo.om/AboutOoredoo/Media/PressReleases/DetailPressRelease/tabid/2375/ArticleId/1132/Nawras-Announces-Exciting-19th-Gulf-Cup-Offers-And-Prizes.aspx

https://www.ooredoo.om/AboutOoredoo/Media/PressReleases/DetailPressRelease/tabid/2375/ArticleId/1263/Nawras-Celebrates-with-Victorious-Members-of-Oman-s-19th-Gulf-Cup-Team.aspx

https://www.ooredoo.om/AboutOoredoo/Media/PressReleases/DetailPressRelease/tabid/2375/ArticleId/1245/Nawras-Brings-World-Class-Talent-to-Gulf-Cup-19.aspx

https://www.ooredoo.om/AboutOoredoo/Media/PressReleases/DetailPressRelease/tabid/2375/ArticleId/1240/Gulf-Cup-News-Live-From-Nawras-With-New-Bawabaty-Portal.aspx

http://www.sony-mea.com/pressrelease/asset/292605/section/corporatepressreleases

http://www.tradearabia.com/news/MEDIA_154281.html

http://www.dailypositive.org/Oman

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Sony+support+for+Gulf+Cup.-a0191253975

http://gulfnews.com/sport/football/al-marshadi-named-player-of-tournament-1.45947

https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2009/0220/p04s01-wome.html

Here are sources showing the 2007 edition was called the 18th Arabian Gulf Cup:

https://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/dakhan-hails-uae-coach--85587

http://www.musictheatreaustralia.com.au/component/entertainers/aerial_christy/4142

http://www.itp.net/14004-etisalat-extends-mobile-tv-offerings

https://www.technick.net.au/ceremonies

https://www.zawya.com/mena/en/story/One_crime_is_committed_every_28_minutes_in_Oman-ZAWYA20161228043702/

https://www.albawaba.com/news/etihad-airways-final-approach-18th-arabian-gulf-cup

https://www.arabtimesonline.com/news/oman-win-gulf-cup-second-time-al-rashidi-breaks-uae-hearts-2-saves/

http://gulfnews.com/sport/football/al-rumaithi-unveils-logo-for-18th-arabian-gulf-cup-1.244777

https://www.uaeinteract.com/docs/18th_Arabian_Gulf_Cup_launches_official_website/22572.htm

https://www.neumannmueller.com/en/we/press/creative-opening-for-18th-gulf-cup/

Not to mention that the logo for each of these tournaments clearly states the name Arabian Gulf Cup. I can get even more sources if I wanted to also for past editions too. About the UAE League Cup, a) that is only called Arabian Gulf Cup due to a temporary sponsorship name (hence the title of the page is UAE League Cup) whereas this tournament's actual name is Arabian Gulf Cup and b) that is a secondary cup competition for a single country (not even their primary cup) and is clearly far less notable than this cup. There is no problem at all with having this page called Arabian Gulf Cup, that page called UAE League Cup, and having a hatnote, rather than using an incorrect title for this page. Is true that the name Gulf Cup of Nations is also used by English media in the past which is why the lead of this article says "also referred to as Gulf Cup of Nations", but Arabian Gulf Cup is just as if not more commonly used and is the actual official name of the tournament on top of that. Hashim-afc (talk) 16:35, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Firstly, do you know how to create external links so you don't flood the talk page with lists? That would be more civil. Secondly, your long lists make no difference. By searching online, anyone can see there are over a million results for "Gulf Cup of Nations," about 5 times more than results for "Arabian Gulf Cup" including a bunch of results that are really for the UAE League Cup. In a news search, "Gulf Cup of Nations" is also the more common result by a multiple of about 3. If you want a link war, someone could come along and literally add a million links to "Gulf Cup of Nations" if they had a huge amount of spare time. Based on WP:COMMONNAME, Gulf Cup of Nations is the appropriate title. Note particularly that Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title, and the preference to avoid ambiguous names WP:ATDAB; the natural disambiguation is to use the more common name of Gulf Cup of Nations. Jack N. Stock (talk) 17:52, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

I was posting the links in response to where you said "Only the 2017 tournament seems to have any consistent references as "Arabian Gulf Cup."" which was an absolutely false statement. If you want to look at raw hit counts from Google, "2017 Gulf Cup of Nations" + "Gulf Cup of Nations 2017" = 35,120 results. "23rd Arabian Gulf Cup" + "Arabian Gulf Cup 23" = 36,100 results. "2014 Gulf Cup of Nations" + "Gulf Cup of Nations 2014" = 13,700 results. "22nd Arabian Gulf Cup" + "Arabian Gulf Cup 22" = 61,600 results. (And none of these refer to UAE League Cup as I specifically searched with the numbers 22nd and 23rd). So in raw hit counts, the last few years has seen Arabian Gulf Cup more commonly used than Gulf Cup of Nations, and was still commonly used before the last few years even if less. As you showed, FIFA.com used to call Gulf Cup of Nations but I showed it now calls it Arabian Gulf Cup. Clearly, both names are commonly used now, I would argue Arabian Gulf Cup more so recently, and as it has two common names, of course the official name would be more preferable as it is also common. If I explained that well. Hashim-afc (talk) 20:49, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

I looked at some historic information on this series, including logos and philatelic specimens, and found several different names. One example is the logo for 2013 with the title "The Gulf Cup" File:2013 Gulf Cup of Nations.png. It wasn't always known by either of the names being discussed, and I'd prefer to avoid WP:RECENTISM. Overall, my preference is for this article to be moved to Gulf Cup. Jack N. Stock (talk) 04:52, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Firstly, on the 2013 logo right above where it says The Gulf Cup, it says Arabian Gulf Cup in Arabic. So that was still the tournament's name, they just used a shorter form of it on the logo. I also showed loads of sources above calling it 21st Arabian Gulf Cup that year. And I've also looked at philatelic sources. Check this out: https://www.stampworld.com/stamps/Qatar/Postage-stamps/g0689/. A stamp from 1976, over 40 years ago and one of the very first editions of the tournament, that clearly states "4th Arabian Gulf Football Cup Tournament". And here: https://www.stampworld.com/stamps/Oman/Postage-stamps/g0143/. A stamp from 1984 that clearly states "7 Arabian Gulf Cup Football Tournament" on it. Furthermore, here is a stamp from 1996 that clearly states "13th Arabian Gulf Cup Football Tournament": https://www.stampworld.com/en/stamps/Oman/Postage%20stamps/1971-2016?user=0&page=7. Furthermore, here is a stamp from 1998 saying " 14th Arabian Gulf Cup Football Tournament": https://www.stampworld.com/stamps/Bahrain/Postage-stamps/g0664/. Where are the stamps with Gulf Cup of Nations written on? There's none. So where you said: "It wasn't always known by either of the names being discussed", this is again absolutely false because these stamps from 1976 (one of the earliest editions of the tournament) clearly says in English "Arabian Gulf Cup". Evidently this tournament has always been known as Arabian Gulf Cup for its entire existence and these stamps prove it even further, and therefore this is not WP:RECENTISM at all. Plus as I said below Arabian Gulf Cup is also a more accurate title than Gulf Cup as the cup is only for Arabian teams. Hashim-afc (talk) 07:49, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose per above and WP:COMMONNAME to distinguish from another “Arabian Gulf Cup” tournament in the UAE League Cup. Most sources refer to this tournament as the “Gulf Cup of Nations”.--Bijanii (talk) 20:00, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

  The UAE League Cup should not affect the title of this article in any way. The Gulf Cup has been called Arabian Gulf Cup for 48 years and is an international tournament that has received notable coverage for decades. UAE League Cup has been known as Arabian Gulf Cup for 4 years due to a temporary sponsorship, is a secondary domestic cup competition for UAE clubs that was only founded 10 years ago and receives no where near the same coverage as well as actually being called UAE League Cup as the official name. Hence, on the Gulf Cup page there is a hatnote that links to the UAE League Cup page which says "This article is about the international competition. For the Emirati cup competition that is known as the Arabian Gulf Cup for sponsorship reasons, see UAE League Cup." This is the exact same thing that happens all across Wikipedia for issues like this (e.g. Arsenal F.C. is about the English club (by your logic it shouldn't be called Arsenal F.C. as there are other teams called Arsenal), and Steve McQueen is about the actor which has a hatnote to the less notable director). Same case here. So please stop acting like we have to use a certain title for this page due to the UAE League Cup. We don't. Hashim-afc (talk) 20:30, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support per extremely detailed nomination. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 00:57, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Being “detailed” in a nomination description doesn’t cut it, please read the arguments and WP:COMMONNAME, which conflicts with the disambiguation page Arabian Gulf Cup.--Bijanii (talk) 01:11, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Arabian Gulf Cup is not a disambiguation page, it redirects to Gulf Cup of Nations, which has the hatnote saying "This article is about the international competition. For the Emirati cup competition that is known as the Arabian Gulf Cup for sponsorship reasons, see UAE League Cup". This is the same way it works for other articles that 'share' names such as Arsenal F.C., which has a hatnote linking to other clubs with the name Arsenal as there are many others that are less notable, and another example Steve McQueen leads to the actor and on his page is a hatnote linking to the less notable director. Hope that made sense. Also I really don't get this common name argument. I have clearly proven that Arabian Gulf Cup is also commonly used by English media including websites like FIFA.com and even posted raw hit counts that showed in recent years it has been used more commonly than Gulf Cup of Nations. On top of being commonly used, it is also the official name (which I understand doesn't always get used but in this case it is also commonly used). I really struggle to see why we should be using the incorrect title of Gulf Cup of Nations. Hashim-afc (talk) 01:41, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

• Nominator comment - also important to note that this tournament is not for all Gulf teams, as the title "Gulf Cup of Nations" suggests. It's only for the Arabian teams from the Gulf. Thus Arabian Gulf Cup is also more accurate than Gulf Cup of Nations (per WP:COMMONNAME), as well as being commonly used by independent reliable sources (eg FIFA.com, Goal.com and all the others linked above) and as well as being the official name of the tournament. Ticks all boxes. Hashim-afc (talk) 16:43, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

User:Hashim-afc continuously links the WP:DISAMBIG page Arabian Gulf Cup without consensus having been reached here, and when there is more than one tournament with the name. Again, wait for the WP:RM to finish before hastily moving pages like you have done numerous times in the past. Also, this article would fail WP:COMMONNAME under that page as stated above by other members.--Bijanii (talk) 08:02, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Please read WP:DISAMBIGUATION properly, Bijanii. It says "The page at Michael Dobbs is about the primary topic, and there is only one other use. The other use is linked directly using a hatnote; no disambiguation page is needed." That is exactly the same situation here. And no, it wouldn't fail WP:COMMONNAME. Does Arsenal F.C. also fail WP:COMMONNAME as there is more than one team called Arsenal? No. Again, read the policy properly. There is no consensus for that being a disambiguation page at all. Hashim-afc (talk) 08:31, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support. Whatever the political circumstances surrounding the name are, Wikipedia's first concern here should be accuracy. Hashim lists numerous sources supporting the notion that "Arabian Gulf Cup" is the most common name. In Arabic sources, too, Kass Al-Khaleej Al-Arabi (Arabian Gulf Cup) is by far the most common name, which is important considering that this tournament is only played by Arabic-speaking countries. In response to FIFA having referred to it as the "Gulf Cup of Nations" on certain occasions, FIFA doesn't recognize the Gulf Cup, but for what it's worth, FIFA more recently used the term "Arabian Gulf Cup". After doing some minor research using Google, it seems that more news articles and official sources (e.g. FA's, past tournament websites) use Arabian Gulf Cup, whereas many of the sources that use Gulf Cup of Nations are betting websites, sports results websites, or are simply following suit with the current title of the Wikipedia page. Elspamo4 (talk) 22:53, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

As stated above, searches for the term "Gulf Cup of Nations" far outweighs the term "Arabian Gulf Cup", some of which aren't even referring to this tournament with the latter term.--Bijanii (talk) 23:41, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Searches for the term "Gulf Cup of Nations" do not far outweigh the term "Arabian Gulf Cup". A quick Google search shows they are both in the 500,000s in terms of results. And as I showed above, Arabian Gulf Cup has been used for much longer (at least since 1976 which was the 4th edition of the tournament as shown by the stamp linked above) and is also used more in recent years as shown by the raw hit counts for last two tournaments, and FIFA.com changing their usage. It is also a more accurate and unambiguous name as WP:COMMONNAME says is preferred. You talked about WP:RECENTISM, I challenge you to find a source from before 2006 (when this article was made on Wikipedia) that uses name "Gulf Cup of Nations". You won't find any. Whereas I've given sources from the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, 2000s and 2010s that used the name Arabian Gulf Cup. If anyone is being "recentist", it is you and the others who oppose the move. Hashim-afc (talk) 00:37, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Also, Elspamo4 made a very good point when he said "it seems that more news articles and official sources (e.g. FA's, past tournament websites) use Arabian Gulf Cup, whereas many of the sources that use Gulf Cup of Nations are betting websites, sports results websites etc". This is why it's wrong just to say that Gulf Cup of Nations is the correct title because of it having a few more search results on Google. Betting websites and sports results websites are not as reliable as major news websites or official FA/tournament websites and raw hit counts don't account for this. And even if you do use raw hit counts, the number of results are very close and are more favourable for Arabian Gulf Cup in the most recent editions of the competition as well as for a longer time period dating back to at least 1976. Hashim-afc (talk) 00:49, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

I don't think that the number of Google results is a good measure for deciding on the title. For one, Google results for both "Arabian Gulf Cup" and "Gulf Cup of Nations" also include results for different titles such as "Arabian Gulf Cup of Nations" (of which there 50,000+ hits) and "Gulf Cup" while excluding terms such as "Arabian Gulf Football Tournament" and "Arabian Gulf Football Cup" (both of which yield numerous RS dating back to at least 2003 such as [7], [8], [9]). Secondly, many of the results for "Gulf Cup of Nations" link to betting and user-generated websites, which seem to name tournaments after their titles on Wikipedia, as well as numerous Wikipedia clone websites. I think we should put our emphasis on the quality of the sources rather than quantity, which we cannot measure reliably. Elspamo4 (talk) 07:15, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose as per WP:COMMONNAME. Additionally google search yields many more sources for Gulf Cup compared to the other term. Also, most of the sources linked by support members are based in a few countries who specifically support that viewpoint. It would be similar to a North Korean sourcing gov news and sites to refer to themselves as a democracy even though every other country would state something to the contrary. Nokhodi (talk) 00:08, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

  Gulf Cup isn't even the other term in question, it's Gulf Cup of Nations. Also, what are you talking about? This is not to do with Persian Gulf naming dispute. This is about the name of a football tournament, not a body of water. If you want to use your logic, your vote and Bijanii's vote do not count because you are both Iranian and therefore you both disagree with the term Arabian Gulf. Of course a lot of the sources will be from Arabian countries because it's a cup contested by Arabian teams. What else would you expect? Plus, I gave sources from so many websites including FIFA.com and FourFourTwo, are these based in Arab countries? No. You're talking absolute nonsense and I suspect your only reason for voting was because you disagree with the term Arabian Gulf. Please try to vote without bias. It's very interesting to me that of the 3 who oppose the move so far, 2 of them their entire edit histories being to do with Iran (i.e. the country that opposes the term Arabian Gulf and uses Persian Gulf instead), and in Bijanii's case his whole edit history is removing any trace of the term Arabian Gulf from the whole encyclopaedia! Hashim-afc (talk) 00:37, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Firstly, see WP:PERSONAL. I also find it interesting that 3 of those who support the move are of Arabic background.--Bijanii (talk) 01:08, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Didn't intend to make any personal attacks and deepest apologies if taken that way. Just very frustrating when I bring together all these links from so many sources, stamps, articles etc from reliable sites and even different decades and people vote oppose with no real reason except that there are a few more results on Google for one title than the other (which is not even true for recent seasons or for historical seasons) and not taking anything else into account. A lot of the points I've mentioned thus far have simply been ignored by the 3 voting oppose whereas I'm responding to others' points. Hashim-afc (talk) 01:41, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

• Nominator comment - a note that the main opposer to this move, User:Bijanii, has been given his second block in the space of less than two months due to constant edit warring without having consensus at Arabian Gulf University, Arabian Gulf rugby union team, Arabian Gulf rugby sevens team, Arabian Gulf Rugby Football Union and Arabian Gulf Oil Company. In these pages, he constantly added reference to the Persian Gulf even though the article was nothing to do with it. This proves what I said during nomination of this article that he has a personal agenda against the term Arabian Gulf, clearly his reason for voting oppose in this discussion and I do not think his vote should even count. Hashim-afc (talk) 16:43, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

• Further to the discussion, in an article in the New York Times today, the tournament name is deemed so minor that it is referred to as a "regional championship tournament" and "Gulf Cup". Further underlines that common sources refer to it mostly by names other than the requested title change. Nokhodi (talk) 18:01, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

  How does one single source from one website underline that common sources mostly refer to it as Gulf Cup? You realise I've posted about 100 common sources just in this discussion that refer to it as Arabian Gulf Cup versus your 1? (as well as stamps from 1976, 1984, 1996 and 1998). Furthermore as I already discussed Gulf Cup is too ambiguous a title per WP:COMMONNAME whereas Arabian Gulf Cup is not and is also more accurate. Did you know most sources call the FIFA World Cup simply the "World Cup"? And most sources call the UEFA European Championship simply "UEFA Euros" or "the Euros"? Why then are these not the titles of those pages? It's because they would be ambiguous and less accurate. Same case here. And how is the tournament deemed minor in that article? It calls it a "regional championship" because the New York Times is not a sports newspaper, it is read by lots of people who probably don't know what the Arabian Gulf Cup is so they call it a regional championship in the opening and later in the article they expand on it. And anyway, why would it being deemed 'minor' affect this requested move at all? Stop pulling at strings just so you can have a reason to oppose the move and make a proper argument... Hashim-afc (talk) 18:40, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support. Its the official name of the tournment, the wiki page should reflect that.Alitheboss55 (talk) 01:06, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

• I think it is appropriate to use Gulf Cup as it used in numerous news media.--Mojackjutaily (talk) 16:52, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

  I would argue that Arabian Gulf Cup is a more accurate and unambiguous title than Gulf Cup, as the tournament is only for the Arabian nations of the Gulf, not all Gulf nations. Arabian Gulf Cup is also used in numerous news media (including FIFA.com among the many others linked above) and has been used as the tournament's name ever since it was founded as shown by the stamps linked above whereas shortening to Gulf Cup seems to have been something that only happened in more recent years. I do agree Gulf Cup is preferable over Gulf Cup of Nations, but Arabian Gulf Cup definitely appears to be the most suitable title to me. Hashim-afc (talk) 17:09, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

• Nominator comment about disambiguation status of Arabian Gulf Cup - just to make this clear, at this present moment in time (i.e. before this RM ends), Arabian Gulf Cup is supposed to be (and originally was) a redirect to the Gulf Cup of Nations instead of being a disambiguation page. It was made into a disambiguation page by Bijanii, who forced the issue through edit warring without any consensus and was subsequently blocked for edit warring. As for why it shouldn't be one, here is why. Only two tournaments have ever been known as Arabian Gulf Cup which are Gulf Cup of Nations and UAE League Cup (the latter two tournaments mentioned on the disambiguation page have never been known as Arabian Gulf Cup). Per WP:DISAMBIGUATION#Is there a primary topic?, Gulf Cup of Nations is the primary topic (more than 6 times as many results on search engine, twice as many articles link to the page, traffic is about 5 times greater for Gulf Cup of Nations than for UAE League Cup, Arabian Gulf Cup has been the Gulf Cup of Nations' official and permanent name since 1970 whereas it is only a temporary sponsorship name for the UAE League Cup for the past 4 years, plus the UAE League Cup itself only existed for 9 years compared to 48 years for Gulf Cup of Nations, receives far less coverage and less notable). Per WP:DISAMBIGUATION#Deciding to disambiguate (third bullet point), this means that a disambiguation page is not needed, all that is needed is a hatnote on the primary topic's page. The Gulf Cup of Nations already has this hatnote: This article is about the international competition. For the Emirati cup competition that is known as the Arabian Gulf Cup for sponsorship reasons, see UAE League Cup. Thus, Arabian Gulf Cup being a disambiguation page is going directly against Wikipedia guidelines, and it should simply be a redirect to Gulf Cup of Nations. I hope that I cleared that up. The reason I'm saying this here is to make it clear to whichever admin eventually closes this RM, so that it doesn't impact their decision to move page. Hashim-afc (talk) 01:11, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

References

Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2023

Change Arabian gulf to Persian gulf. 2600:4040:57E5:7F00:3010:9F27:956D:131F (talk) 15:19, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: see move discussion above Cannolis (talk) 19:44, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

There is no Arabian Gulf on the Earch

Those people have to go back school and read geography once again. 50.64.37.127 (talk) 20:47, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

correct Gulf Cup 1970 - 2018

User talk:Cannolis

I wanted to correct the name of this article, but I realized that the article is locked. I noticed that there are many discussions on the discussion page.

Gulf Cup of Nations - Persian Gulf Cup

According to the documents below, return all the first 23 articles to the correct and previous name. Do this in the main article as well. And it should be noted that from 1970 to 2018 it was held under the name of the Gulf Nations Cup and from 2019 until now under the name of the Arab Gulf.

https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&end=2018-02-03&namespace=all&start=2018-02-03&tagfilter=&target=Hashim-afc&offset=20180203215215Hashim-afc - An obvious forgery has been done by them. The original name of the first 23 courses should be returned with the same name as held.

for example:

AFC U-19 Championship renamed to AFC U-20 Asian Cup but:

Tournament Names

1959–2006: AFC Youth Championship - 2006 AFC Youth Championship

2008–2020: AFC U-19 Championship - 2008 AFC U-19 Championship

https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template%3AArabian_Gulf_Cup&diff=815644933&oldid=814576713

Based on the logic and also the name of the articles that I said above, Changing the name of a competition is not retroactive. I have nothing to do with the 2019 and 2023 matches. But as you can see, the first to twenty-third courses were held under the name of the Golf Cup, not the Arabian Gulf. In 2018, the user renamed all old competitions to new ones. Do you agree that this is wrong?Suppose FIFA changed the name of its competition. Should all old courses be changed to new names? Definitely not.

(for example: fifa world cup rename to World Football championship). New articles will be created with the new official name and old articles will remain with the same old name. I can find dozens of similar routines on Wikipedia. I have shown one above about the Asian Youth Championships.

I have a request:

1- Articles from 1970 to 2018 should be returned to their original names. Changing the Arabian Gulf routes to them should also be removed.1970 Gulf Cup of Nations to 2017 Gulf Cup of Nations

2- Template:Arabian Gulf Cup and Arabian Gulf Cup also be corrected (for 1970-2018).I have nothing to do with the current name of the tournament. I mean the names that were wrongly manipulated by the user Hashim for articles from 1970 to 2018 due to ethnic prejudices.Wikipedia rules do not change old names either:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_U-20_World_Cup#Results

1991 FIFA World Youth Championship - 2017 FIFA U-20 World Cup : 1977–2005: "FIFA World Youth Championship" 2007–present: "FIFA U-20 World Cup"

All old names remain because no user has changed them to their own favorite names. This should be done here as well.