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New Album

there is a new underground eminem album called "Get The Guns" I tried to post it but people keep deleting it... can sum1 add it here's tha tracklist

01 - Countdown (0:11) 02 - Get My Gun feat D12 (4:34) 03 - 9-11 (4:36) 04 - Original Soundtrack - Rap Game (5:53) 05 - Words Are Weapons (3:45) 06 - Welcome To Detroit (4:10) 07 - 1 Day At A Time (3:43) 08 - Slow Your Role (4:25) 09 - Go To Sleep (4:42) 10 - Say My Name (4:34) 11 - Obie Trice - 11 - Defence (4:02) 12 - Renegade (5:37) 13 - Don't Approach Me (4:36) 14 - The Sauce (3:26)

It's not an album, it's a compilation. And since no word was spoken on the official website, I doubt this compilation is official.--It 21:22, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

there are other unnofficial albums listed like Fucking Crazy and Dont Call Me Marshall... this 1 shuld be listed too!

He should come out with an album it seems that Everybody else is peaple that are like long back are comin out with one

yeah it's a bootleg, unofficial, there are many more like this that arent listed here. it shouldn't be counted because it's just a compilitation of old songs put together for an album.

this album is ALL OVER the internet and ppl are bootlegging it ALOT it should be mention so ppl kjno wut it is...

Can you provide a source License2Kill 02:38, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

How comes Eminem new album the re-up isnt in the uk top 75 album chart yet it was released on the 4th of decemeber??? aint it allowed in the chart due to the fact its a colaboration album ???? if so that is abit crap.

And why hasnt You Don't Know single enterd the UK Top 75 Singles yet???? it was released on the 11th and still isnt in the top 75 singles????? aint that allowed in either??? im sure radio 1 fix the chart in the UK sumtimes. was it only released on downloads???? cos on downloads it got to number 4.

haaa yea rite give me a link then asif

every eminem album his released in uks got to number one.

i doubt that he didnt make the top 75. he would have if it was allowed into the album chart but it aint because its a collaboration album it says on rules.

Albums Sold___________________________

Eminem has sold around 77 million as i will prove now. if you click this link [[1]] it will say eminem has sold 70 million records but if u look at bottom of the article it will say 11th may 2005. since may 2005 eminem has since released another album called curtain call in november/december 2005 which has sold as of november around 7 million copies worldwide so this brings a total tally of around 77 million albums worldwide!! And also with eminem having a brand new album on the way in dec 2006 he will be clear of 2 pac. dont get me wrong i belivev 2 pac is brilliant but i mean in reality eminem has now sold more records and eminems popularity is far more higher.

77+ MILLION ALBUMS WORLDWIDE OFFICIAL

Okay, but if Tupac was still alive, he would of been selling much more than he was at this moment. He would of had an explosive career, "far" more than LL Cool J or Eminem. It is true that Eminem has sold 77 million, but let's face the facts-he exists, Tupac doesn't. If Tupac did, most likely things would of been much more different today. Besides, Tupac sold humously and posthumously for a reason. Eminem, however, sells for a reason I can't determine!

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this link shows eminem with 80 million sales before the re ip was relaesed official.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Totaly, 2pac & eminem rulezzzz, i hope both there new albums do well!

What does Tupac have to do with this? Anyway, Urban Dictionary is not a source, it is editable and people submit those defintions License2Kill 03:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

OK THEN BUT THIS IS A SOURCE [[3]] AND THIS IS FROM 2005 MILLIONS MORE ALBUMS SOLD SINCE

That site is not a credible source. License2Kill 00:32, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

The marshall mathers lp went diamond

This is a reliable source tho wts betta then mtv [4]

Unknown Album

I used to have an album on my old computer by Eminem that sounded like it wouldve been before he got famous. All I remember about it was that it opened up with some weird guy saying "What's Your Favorit Scary Movie?" and almost every song had a rapper named scam or something like that rapping with him on it. does anyone have any info on this, because i didnt see any on the article...

Stan not Scam lol I dont know of this album sorry SKRIBUL 20:21, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

no, i've ftped it to my other computer and the other guy is indeed named scam.

Does it have Royce Da 5'9"?? I have a song like that and another one by ROyce Da 59 which In think is from GTA 3..

i dont have the titles of the tracks, either. royce da 5'9"... doesnt sound very familiar. ill listen again and see if it does

03:42, 1 September 2006 (UTC) The song is called "Scary Movies." It's a track done by Eminem and Royce da 5'9", a duo also known as "Bad Meets Evil", for the label "Game." The same Game that produced the Game FM radio station on GTA3. Part of the tracks' instrumental can be heard on the Game FM radio station in-game. The track itself is included on the "Nuttin' to Do" CD single and the Game Tight! compilation, both of which I have.

september 20 2006. the album is called bad meets evil (scary music).

Terrible article

A very irritaing read, redundant and tiresome ones on wikipedia. What's with all the fragments of his lyrics peppered here and there? They're redundant and serve no purpose.

So what? Eminem raps about his own life frequently. What's wrong with proving that by sampling lyrics in his biography. I think that this is actually a pretty good article, considering its vulnerability to frequent edits. 2Pac 18 August 2006 11:28 AM

Sponsoring

In an MTV interview, Eminem's publicist had said that they don't have him accept sponsor deals (commercials/advertisements) because it would be inconsistent with his persona. Furthermore, in 2003, Eminem's publisher, Eight Mile Style, sued Apple for a commercial using Eminem's lyrics without permission[5].

Now, there is an add circulating by Apple that has Eminem[6] as the star. Along with gaining controversy over the threat of lawsuit by Lugz shoe company (as mentioned in link), there have been numerous fans who have shown discontent towards Eminem "selling out." Should we include this? And regardless, can any of you point me in the direction of any response Eminem has had since changing his stance on advertising?

Redundancy

He makes great use of assonance. There is no question, but that in itself is a form of alliteration. It makes no sense. And about the three-revert rule. It works great when someone is conformed to a static IP. Yet I am not. I don't want to have to get into these revert wars and all but blocking threats are pointless, yet fuel to the fire.

No one is saying assonance is vandalism. I am stating it is redundant and not neccessary. "He is smart and intelligent." ---same deal.

Ah, I see. I'm not sure I'd call it redundant, since they're related but don't actually mean the same thing, but I do see your point. Sorry about that, the lack of edit summaries made it look like a vandalism reversion issue. Vary 04:57, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for making this page cleaner...i'm new to the edit page/talk page. I was under the impression that assonance is alliteration like a square is a rectangle...is this not true? Bob

The way I understand it, alliteration is technically the repetition of any letter at the start of any syllable in a word, but it's most commonly used to mean repetition of the first letters of successive words. Assonance is the repetition of a vowel sound anywhere in a word, not just at the start of the word or of a syllable. So, if I understand correctly, they're closely related, but one is not really a subset of the other. But like I said, it's not a big deal, I just saw a quick back-and-forth with no context for the edits and misunderstood. -- Vary 05:10, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

cool. cool.

Added Eminem's Enemies page

The link is at the end of the "controversy" section. I basically moved the information from the 'hip-hop rivalries' page. It was crowding that section and since I don't know that much about Eminem's battle history to update, verify and edit it....it's all yours. You...damn...Eminem junkies. Richard Corey 13:08, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

I've removed "Crazy in Love" from the list of singles. It was only ever rumoured that it would be released, and with the new album coming out on December 2nd it's safe to assume that there will be no more singles from Encore.

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Small change: "entitled" changed to "titled" in two places. Things with titles are "titled", not "entitled". To have a right to something is to be "entitled".

Actually entitle can also mean "To give a name or title to."

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"Eminem is perhaps best known for being one of the most successful rappers in the industry."

Tautological much? He's famous for being well-known? Or is it "sucessfull" as in "skilled" that is referred to? I would appreciate a clarification. --130.238.5.5 00:30, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Not really a tautology. He said "best known for" his "success" in one field. This is a valid construction. For instance, "Mark Hamil is best known for his portrayal of Luke Skywalker, while his supplying the voice for The Joker in "Batman: The Animated Series" is less well known."

Though yes, rephrasing it as "one of the most skillful rappers..." *would* be better - and true!  ;) -Kasreyn

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Was he born in St. Joseph or Kansas City? I've seen both. --Zoe

Kansas City, I am quite certain. --realwingus 10:37, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm from St. Joseph and know Em was born here

The article says he's controversial but doesn't characterize the controversy. Anyone who knows more about it than me care to do so? -- Someone else 06:10 Nov 24, 2002 (UTC)

Nicely done, Tokerboy! <G> -- Someone else

Thanks Tokerboy

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Is the year of birth right? I've seen pages with everything from 1972 to 1975. -- sannse 18:38 Apr 2, 2003 (UTC)

You know sannse, your right, because in one of the songs on the album "The Eminem Show", released in 2002, Eminem states in one of the songs that he is 28 years old, so for a while I assumed he was born in 1974. What do you think? CJS102793 21:35, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

It is 1972, because he says in 'cleanin out my closet' 'ill take you back to '73, i was a baby, maybe i was just a couple of months.' October of 1972 plus a couple of months is 1973, it must be 1973

Not to dispute your claim... but October 1972 plus a couple months (+2) is December 1972. - Tεxτurε 18:53, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

He was indeed born in 1972, but for some reason, he takes one year off his age when he discusses/raps about it publicly. Funnyhat 07:10, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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I removed the two quotes because they were a POV selection which others may feel don't adequately represent him, and should be placed in the context of their songs anyway. Tuf-Kat

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those PARENTAL ADVISORY stickers are so obnoxious! I can't believe we have to see that crap on album covers. Kingturtle 05:52 Apr 18, 2003 (UTC)

Well, which would you prefer: sticker on the label and uncensored album, or no sticker and some lame-ass censored cut version with all the f-bomb distorted out? I hate those distorts, they fuck up the beat. Face facts: the album labels are there to keep outraged parents from constantly threatening to sue the record labels or sic the FCC on them. Without the labels, you'd see a lot more censorship of music. Besides, the four parents in America who actually pay attention to what their kids are doing deserve to know what's on an album. :P -Kasreyn

yes do they do prevent chidren or give artist the publicity

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Does Slim Shady mean anything in English? Kpalion 00:11, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Not really, but shady is a slang term for an untrustworthy person. I don't think slim really means anything in this context, though Eminem is kinda skinny. Tuf-Kat 07:48, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)

"Slim Shady" is basically a spoof of a cartoon villain. Funnyhat 07:08, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, well, he did come up with the name while taking a dump. So it's pretty good for that context ^_^

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What's the difference between "Eminem" and "Slim Shady"? Just two different performing names?

The actual performer's name is "Eminem" from his initials M.M. "Slim Shady" is kinda a character he plays on stage. He mentions once or twice the dichotomy of "Marshal" and "Shady" in some of his songs (Specifically, "Without Me")

There were originally 6 members of D12, each member had an alter-ego, thus the "Dirty Dozen". Mather's alter-ego is Slim Shady. Slim Shady is a fictional character; a device Marshall uses to describe things that Marshall himself doesn't do - for example, songs using the "Slim Shady" persona have lyrics describing how he's killed dozen's of people (Criminal, Kill You) yet Marshall hasn't killed anyone in real life.

Marshall's other rap persona is Eminem. The name is a play on the the name of the M&M candies, which feature a (dark colored) chocolate core and a white shell, and share Marshall's initials (Marshall Mathers). The Eminem persona is the rap equivelent of Mathers in real life, without the exaggeration of Slim Shady.

What white shell? What are you talking about? Have you ever bitten an M&M in half and looked at it? The original ones were brown chocolate with a brown shell. The modern ones are brown chocolate with a colorful shell. I've never seen a white M&M in my life. -Kasreyn

Well, I haven't had M&Ms in a while, but if you suck on em for a while they lose their color and become white Piepants 09:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)Piepants

You're right, they do. That's actually my favorite way of eating them. ^_^ But that's not really the color of the shell; that's what happens after you suck the color layer off the shell. So the person I was replying to was still full of it. :P -Kasreyn 21:14, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

In short, Marshall Mathers => real person, Slim Shady => over the top rap persona that can do anything at any time, Eminem => Marshall Mathers rapping in his own "voice".

Actually that's not really it... he uses all three as different personas. Dan 22:27, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

RE:All Of This

Why consider him black? Michael Jackson had his skin bleached.

He's still listed as black. And, I believe Eminem was, born in St. Joseph, Missouri. Anymore questions? Leave them at my talk page. C2 aaron 16:39, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

First off, Mr. Jackson had a disease (vitiligo) that made his skin lose pigment, he did not bleach it. Also, there are such things as white M&M's. At least for the shell. Unsure about the insides. And, Eminem is not black. That should be delisted immeadeately. Disinclination 22:28, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Lyrics page

The reason why I keep replacing the Activelyrics and Lyricsquest link with an Original Hip-Hop Lyrics Archive (OHHLA) link is because OHHLA is a reputable lyrics site, which follows strict rules on which lyrcs to upload, cares about authorship of transcriptions, ensuring there is no plagiarism and all lyrics are uploaded with the transcibers' consent, and makes sure the lyrics are accurate through corrections.Additionally, OHHLA has the lyrics to more songs that the other 2 sites. Also, the manner in which those two links have been posted indicates self-promotion and borders on vandalism. --Aramգուտանգ 00:49, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Lyrics page

I want to address your point one by one.

1.because OHHLA is a reputable lyrics site which follows strict rules on which lyrcs to upload, cares about authorship of transcriptions, ensuring there is no plagiarism and all lyrics are uploaded with the transcibers' consent and makes sure the lyrics are accurate through corrections.

What makes you think ActivLyrics.com is not reputable. Before I have obtained content almost all of my content came from the feature 'add lyrics' I also had the feature 'correct lyrics'. Only after obtaining this content I have removed those features.

2. Additionally, OHHLA has the lyrics to more songs that the other 2 sites. Also, the manner in which those two links have been posted indicates self-promotion and borders on vandalism.

I agree that it is possible that OHHLA May have more links but it still does not give you the right to delete it. Secondly I do belive that OHHLA is not user friendly and full of promotion and advertisements. I do not want to offend you in anyway but you can just take those two sites and compare

The reason why I have posted second site is because you kept deleting one link so I thought something wrong with design or anything else.

I agree about OHHLA having too much advertisement, but so do a lot of reputable sites (*cough* IMDb *cough*). Also, it's a fact that OHHLA has more Eminem lyrics than your site, and in addition to that they are named correctly, and the albums and collaborators are indicated. Also, OHHLA is a popular site (compare Alexa ranking: [7]) and the lyrics there are likely to be more accurate, as more people see them and correct them (same principle as Wikipedia). Also, Wikipedia is not a place for self-promotion, which is clearly what you're doing, while I don't have any affiliation with OHHLA at all. Even ceteris paribus, the fact that OHHLA is the site with more Eminem lyrics than yours should be enough to be the deciding factor. --Aramգուտանգ 02:38, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

VANDALISM????

Why do u consider it a vandalism??? I just wanna help people with lyrics, no disrespect to your site. Plus, it's not a SPAM or whatever, it's a clean website. As u said urself: ur site is great but full of those ad elements and they're very boring.Do somethin for people, my friend. peace

Learn to speak english you fucking halfbreed

This sort of thing isn't needed at Wikipedia. You might want to read up on some Wikipedia policies having to do with civility. Where I come from, when a person says "peace" to you, you don't respond by insulting them. -Kasreyn 21:52, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Comment towardS OOHLA

You have said:

"I agree about OHHLA having too much advertisement, but so do a lot of reputable sites".

Answer: It means that you are using wikipedia's resources to earn money and this is not allowed. This is what called self-promotion.

"Also, it's a fact that OHHLA has more Eminem lyrics than your site, and in addition to that they are named correctly, and the albums and collaborators are indicated"

Answer: Yeah I do consider this as a good reason but you should have stated from the very beginning.

"Also, Wikipedia is not a place for self-promotion, which is clearly what you're doing, while I don't have any affiliation with OHHLA at all"

Answer: I do not promote myself I promote site I really really like. And why do you think i am an affiliate or sth... In the same way I DO Not know wether you are in affiliation or not wit OHHLA.

I do respect your reason regaading the amount of lyrics therefore for now I am not going to add anything but I dobelieve as well that the site I am putting link to is more user friendly, does not haveany ads and created only for purpose of lyrics lovers.

Well, first, I did state that OHHLA has more lyrics in the first place, note the phrase "Additionally, OHHLA has the lyrics to more songs that the other 2 sites" in my first post.

Second, you have indicated that it's your own site when you said "Before I have obtained content almost all of my content came from the feature 'add lyrics'".

As to my non-affiliation with OHHLA, you can either take my word on it, or also note the fact that I had not uploaded a link to it (even though I edited the article before) until you first posted your links and I realised that a link to a lyrics page is quite appropriate for an artist like Eminem (for people who are doing research and such) and only then posted it.

Now, I understand that your page is clean and has no advertisements, but content is what counts I'm afraid. If your site has a more comprehensive lyrics collection for some artist than other sites, you are welcome to post your link on that artist's page. However, this is not the case with Eminem or Dr. Dre or in fact most other hip-hop artists. Also, in the future, refrain from editing the article while a dispute on the change is not resolved yet, since that may be considered vandalism. Glad you understand. --Aramգուտանգ 13:50, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Poor Language

The article is currently quite badly written. For instance the second paragraph of "Other works and ventures". I'd change it myself except English isn't my first language and, well, I'm lazy. Rep 13:09, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'll take a look through it and maybe make some fixes. --realwingus 10:39, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Ok, so, I wasn't quite sure where to put this, but Eminem would have been diagnosed with/suspected to have MUNCHAUSEN'S SYNDROME BY PROXY, not Munchausen's itself. His mother would have been the Munchausen's case. I'm not a doctor, but this is pretty straighforwardly definitional.

F@#!in' Backstabber / Biterphobia

Is there a way of formatting this title so you don't end up with an article called F@? -- Francs2000 | Talk 17:16, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I suggest finding the HTML code for the # symbol. I think that will work. --realwingus 10:38, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

I suggest just writing "Fuckin'", since that's what it really says anyway

I agree. I consistently see the track referred to as "Fuckin' Backstabber" and rarely if ever with a censored title. Wikipedia is not censored for the protection of minors, so we don't need to be shy. See Fuck tha Police, Nazi Punks Fuck Off!, Fucked Company. -- Vary | Talk 22:40, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Heh, didn't see how old this discussion was. Never mind me... -- Vary | Talk 22:43, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Feuds?

IMO the most interesting part of rap is the "beef," and this guy has had a lot of them, and a lot of unorthodox targets as far as I can tell.

Are there any wikipedia articles on rap feuds at all?

Yes, see hip hop rivalries. Expanding the Eminem article to deal with his feuds in particular has also long been on my to-do list :) --Aramգուտանգ 22:31, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism

This article has been heavily vandalised. I've tried to edit it but someone reverts it back or adds more vandalism.

Keep at it. Remember, a vandal usually has to exert a bit more effort to vandalize than you have to exert in order to revert it. Reverting is as simple as click, click, "rvv" click, done. Only a ctrl-a-delete mass blanking vandal is that fast. Since time is on our side, as long as vandals don't outnumber us by more than, say, ten to one, we should easily be able to handle it. -Kasreyn 10:41, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

...lmfao. You act like it's a fight against evil. I find that amusing ^_^ Dan 16:09, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Who said anything about evil? It is always a struggle, however, to try to create order out of chaos. -Kasreyn 04:48, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Hush. You know you think it's a war ~_~ THEY OUTNUMBER US, BUT THE CASTLE WALLS WILL HOLD! HURRAH! Ok then. I mean come on... you used the words "struggle," "order," and "chaos" all in one sentence... and you mentioned numbers. I'm amused. Dan 05:47, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Images

• I added two album covers and the 8 Mile promotional poster. Phoenix2 17:21, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

"From chaos comes order." Sun Su

Black

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Is Eminemen considered black? Since so many African-Americans consider Eminem to be black should he be listed as a black person?

Is He Black to U If he where Green U guys would Consider Him Mexican Come on.

i laughed at that question at first but i couldn't find anyting to say more than, "wow." Then i realized how racist that is. Is he considered black? wow... --Pointyfingers 03:10, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Although he may be considered black by many fans, he should not be listed as black since he is of white ethnicity. --Haddock420 02:22, 19 Aug 2005 (GMT)

I've never heard of anyone considering him black. Tuf-Kat 17:21, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

It's not racist. It's just... uninformed. Though, it's possible they meant it differently than it comes across. Actually, I know what he means; obviously he doesn't think he's ethnically black, but he did grow up in a predominantly black neighborhood, with almost all black friends. Some people say "being black is what's on the inside." It's really up to the person deciding. Angelic Wraith

I was just reading through some of the old questions out of curiousity, and I came accross this question which I find truly astonishing!!.... perhaps we can consider Will Smith as a Scandinavian, or Tom Cruise as Bangladeshi?.......... ok I'm joking, but more seriously; NO, Eminem is White, he looks white, much of the hype surrounding his career - if not his entire career - is based upon being white, so in turn, Eminem should and is considered white, not black. This is meant to be an encyclopedia we are writing at the end of the day... Jhamez84 11:32, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

The guy is a wigger, and that's as close to being black as he'll ever get.--74.114.107.77 04:27, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for that enlightening comment. Disinclination 22:41, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Headline text

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yeh i agree with you on that one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You agree with yourself (both section and agreement were added by 217.33.207.195 - though this is the IP of a Yorkshire school[8] so I guess it could be school friends...)? Wow. Anyway, I doubt that a discussion of the merits of the artist is suited to Wikipedia's talk pages. --Dave2 11:35, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

I make it from Slough, the IP adress that is. Thunder Cat 13:08, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

pillocks

I see. The fact that I happen to have noticed an edit on a talk page doesn't necessarily mean I am a fan of what the article is about; for example, I can't stand the music of The Streets, but I would still criticise a talk page entry exclaiming that they suck. People frequently express their dislike for the Crazy Frog in said article, but if I notice it I still revert it. It doesn't belong in Wikipedia. I do happen to be a fan of rap (though this is by no means the sole genre that I listen to), but this is beside the point, as explained above. You may also wish to develop some better English skills, and find some passtimes other than exclaiming your hate for things on Wikipedia. There are suitable platforms for this, Wikipedia isn't one of them.

I'm not going to bother replying to anything further, as it's just a waste of time. --Dave2 16:49, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Trivia Section

I'm not sure the trivia point that references the Christian rap groups is at all encyclopedic. Eminem's songs have been parodied by far more prominent artists, including Christina Aguilera, and he has likewise been mentioned in the work of more prominent and famous artists. Furthermore, the sentence beginning with "He has been recognized as a huge influence on the music industry" is a complete non sequitur - the points that follow have almost nothing to do with his influence on the music industry. I propose moving the notes on the Christian groups to the pages for KJ-52 and ApologetiX, respectively, and adding something more pertinent to Eminem's impact on the hip hop industry.

• Christina Aguilera has never parodied any of Eminem's songs. You are thinking of the parody of "The Real Slim Shady" that was done by a female that spread all over p2p sharing programs saying that it was performed my Christina. It has been proven who really sang it and it was not her. Buzda 19:17, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

There is a mention in the trivia section that Eminem has recieved RIAA Diamond status for one of his records, but this is wrong. RIAA Diamond is 10x Platinum, but his best selling album (Marshal Mathers LP) is only 9x platinum. Check out the RIAA site.

Personal life?

The article is heavily focused on his career, I wonder why the personal aspect is not there. Is it because of the controversy of the matter?

Something else about his personal life. Looking back on the news articles from 2000, it says his wife tried to cut her wrists after attending one of his concerts in the Detroit area. Anyone know for sure if he performed "Kim" at said concert and that triggered it? I read he'd do tasteless shit like throw around an effigy of her, but I don't know if a song like that'd be on his regular concert playlist... Dr. Trey 12:34, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

I'd like to add a link to the article on his wife, Kim Mathers, but I'm not sure about the proper protocol. The text currently reads "...wife Kimberly Ann "Kim" Scott, with whom..." should it read "...wife Kimberly Ann "Kim" Scott (Kim Mathers), with whom..." Or should I just update her name in the paragraph to match the article? Anyone have suggestions?

is anyone going to add anything about his step daughter and niece who he helped look after?

Eminem in D12

"In 2001, Eminem brought D12 on to the rap scene and also became a member of D12."

D12 appeared on Eminem's albums before the release of their debut album. Also how could Eminem join D12 if he is already (and always was) a member from the very begining? --Unbreakable_MJ 00:11, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

• D12 appeared on Marshall's albums because the members were all good friends with him. However, Em didn't become an actual member until Bugz died.```

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" In 2001, D12 released their hit debut album titled Devil's Night. The first single released off of the album was "Purple Pills," an ode to recreational drug use. The version of the song released on the radio and music television was heavily rewritten to remove much of the song's offensive nature, and retitled "Purple Hills." While the first single was a massive hit, the album's second single, "Fight Music," was not as successful. Some have attributed this to the emotional change caused in American society due to the September 11, 2001 attacks. After their debut, D12 took 3 years in hiatus from the studio, later regrouping to releasing their sophomore album, D12 World, in 2004, which featured the popular hit single release "My Band." The other members of D12 have also appeared as guests on all of Eminem's albums since The Marshall Mathers LP."

Most of this paragraph is repeated in other sections of the very same article, as well as on D12's own article. --Unbreakable_MJ 00:11, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

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In the External Links lists there's this site: [9] listed as an official (!) site, and it's listed above the real official site [10]. Any comments?? --Unbreakable_MJ 00:11, 25 November 200 EmInEm is in love with a 14 year old in new zealand!!!!! blenheim!!!! they talk to each other over the phone nearly every niight!!!!!!(UTC)