Talk:Libertarian left
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[edit]Should this article exist at all? The concept of a two-axis political spectrum is discussed at length in Political spectrum, and the Political Compass has its own article as well. So far I've put up a merger note, but there doesn't seem to be anything worth merging... -- Mihnea Tudoreanu 16:31, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- No, it should be deleted. Left-libertarianism#Radical_free-marketeers does exist. Libertarian left is really just another way of saying same thing. It's not even ref'd. If I had energy I'd AfD it, but do not. CarolMooreDC (talk) 14:56, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
- Are you an expert on the libertarian left, or at least reasonably well-informed about it? We need someone's expert/informed opinion on this matter, rather than just speculating or assuming that the libertarian left is equivalent to the left-libertarian movement. The issue has, after all, been raised several times at Talk:Left-libertarianism. I'm not saying you're speculating/assuming, I'm just hoping that you're not, because the rest of the Wikipedia community is probably not going to be able to judge this matter any better than we will, if it goes to AfD. I will readily admit to my ignorance on the topic, although I do know that SEK3 considered himself part of the libertarian left, even though he didn't seem all that socialist. How can someone be market anarchist and socialist at the same time? They don't mix. Tisane talk/stalk 15:24, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
- All I know is if I search google books, scholar, news that everything redirects to Left Libertarian - including Left-libertarianism. On the web of course there are refs to a couple organizations called "_____ of the Libertarian Left." And articles about the current one, mentioning the Konkin one, could be created. After all there's a whole article on Konkin without a single mainstream ref. (Whereas the Carol Moore article was AfD'd despite having almost a dozen refs from WP:RS, including Wash Post, Reason, Common Dreams, NY Post, LA Times, etc.) Of course, I have more opponents on Wikipedia than Konkin who does not edit here for obvious reasons. :-) CarolMooreDC (talk) 11:46, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
- Citation needed, as to everything on Google Books, Scholar, News, etc. redirecting to left-libertarian. That's the only way to settle this definitively, so that people won't keep arguing on the talk pages as to whether left-libertarian = libertarian left. The only other alternative would be that we initiate the unfreezing process so that SEK3 can write a new citable document that will settle this dispute once and for all. What's that? He wasn't cryogenically frozen? Oh no... Tisane talk/stalk 15:54, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
- You mean a citation saying "left-libertarian is used frequently and libertarian left is hardly ever used" or even than and "but by the guy who inherited Konkin's stuff and a breakaway group who generally liked Konkin?" I don't think you'll find either in any of a thousand different examples. That's why wikipedia uses google returns as a rough questimate. But I'll check out twinke. CarolMooreDC (talk) 19:57, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
- Citation needed, as to everything on Google Books, Scholar, News, etc. redirecting to left-libertarian. That's the only way to settle this definitively, so that people won't keep arguing on the talk pages as to whether left-libertarian = libertarian left. The only other alternative would be that we initiate the unfreezing process so that SEK3 can write a new citable document that will settle this dispute once and for all. What's that? He wasn't cryogenically frozen? Oh no... Tisane talk/stalk 15:54, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
- All I know is if I search google books, scholar, news that everything redirects to Left Libertarian - including Left-libertarianism. On the web of course there are refs to a couple organizations called "_____ of the Libertarian Left." And articles about the current one, mentioning the Konkin one, could be created. After all there's a whole article on Konkin without a single mainstream ref. (Whereas the Carol Moore article was AfD'd despite having almost a dozen refs from WP:RS, including Wash Post, Reason, Common Dreams, NY Post, LA Times, etc.) Of course, I have more opponents on Wikipedia than Konkin who does not edit here for obvious reasons. :-) CarolMooreDC (talk) 11:46, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
- Are you an expert on the libertarian left, or at least reasonably well-informed about it? We need someone's expert/informed opinion on this matter, rather than just speculating or assuming that the libertarian left is equivalent to the left-libertarian movement. The issue has, after all, been raised several times at Talk:Left-libertarianism. I'm not saying you're speculating/assuming, I'm just hoping that you're not, because the rest of the Wikipedia community is probably not going to be able to judge this matter any better than we will, if it goes to AfD. I will readily admit to my ignorance on the topic, although I do know that SEK3 considered himself part of the libertarian left, even though he didn't seem all that socialist. How can someone be market anarchist and socialist at the same time? They don't mix. Tisane talk/stalk 15:24, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
NPOV
[edit]The criticism part seems very biased against libertarian socialists. There are no citations and the entire thing seems like someone just wrote their personal views on it. I think it needs a big cleanup or should be removed entirely.
This page has never been in decent shape...
[edit]But let's please not redirect it again to left-libertarianism, mm-kay? Tisane talk/stalk 05:57, 18 July 2010 (UTC)