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dark mode

We need dark mode, please! One simple switch on top of every page. Thanks 2001:4C4E:29D2:C500:C559:A7ED:A9C4:3DCA (talk) 15:44, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please offer comments at the talk page of Vector 2022. 331dot (talk) 15:47, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. We already have a 'Dark Mode' button at the top of every page. However you have to turn it on in Preferences (see here). But you'll need to be logged on with a free user account to change any of the defaults available to you. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:08, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, thanks for your suggestion. A technical side-effect of the current skin is that it will be possible to build the dark mode. You will find more information here. Until then, what Nick wrote above is the best solution. SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 16:17, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

sorry, i might not be the smartest tool in the shed, but where is the switch for dark mode in the preference pane ? Vincent-vst🚀 (talk) 05:22, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Vincent-vst It is one of the options on Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets in the "appearance" section. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:50, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

thank you Vincent-vst🚀 (talk) 13:58, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the answer.

Here is my corrected suggestion:

We need dark mode without any registration, any account, any logging on, please!

Thanks. 2001:4C4E:29D2:C500:BD2D:F6F8:A9:3AD8 (talk) 10:11, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As outlined at the link given above - this link - the devs know that folks want this feature, but it's not currently in development, and may not ever be available to IPs. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:56, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Nick Moyes You said "We already have a 'Dark Mode' button at the top of every page. However you have to turn it on in Preferences".

Then, this link, mentioned above, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Frequently_asked_questions#Are_you_building_the_dark_mode says the feature is not in development, and further, if it were built, "we would not plan to add an in-browser toggle".

And from the WMF, @SGrabarczuk (WMF) says "it will be possible to build it [dark mode], but until then, what Nick wrote is the best solution". (Emphasis mine.) So the WMF person's answer says it's not built yet, but we should follow your answer (Nick), which says it is available. Why is all this info so confusing?

Even so, I turned the toggle on in Preferences, but I don't see a dark mode button at the top of any page. Why is there even a toggle if the WMF and the linked page says it "will be possible to build" this feature? Please help me understand... David10244 (talk) 08:03, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, I am in desktop mode on an Android tablet, using the Chrome browser. David10244 (talk) 08:06, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I hate to be one of those pushy editors, but ... No one has more info on this apparent set of contradictions, on whether the Dark Mode feature is already "built" or "now it will be possible to build" and "we do not plan to add..."? Thanks. David10244 (talk) 05:41, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@David10244, it's a gadget, not an officially WMF-created dark mode. The latter is what folks keep referring to (it's been added to the latest wishlist, I see). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:04, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OK, that helps. I thought I was going crazy, seeing the contradictions, with no one mentioning them! David10244 (talk) 08:13, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Linkity link: Dark mode. An experimental work by the design team + various volunteers, apparently. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:10, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Does the checkbox in Preferences actually do anything? Is it part of the gadget? David10244 (talk) 08:17, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@David10244, that's something I can't answer for sure. It seems the checkbox you're talking about is supposed to make the dark mode toggle available at the top of pages. I'm not sure if it works in all skins, and it's always possible you have some other thing enabled which is interfering with the gadget. Very hard for me to tell how these things work. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:53, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks. I'm using the new default skin that so many people complain about, but I like it. I don't have much fancy stuff enabled. But I'm good, thanks for the help. David10244 (talk) 07:18, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@David10244 Sorry - I missed your 'ping', but I had suddenly wondered if I had previously loaded up some bespoke script which I'd forgotten about. (It's easy to do and then assume everyone else sees Wikipedia the way you do). However, I run an alt-account (NM Demo 2) for just this purpose and with all the settings just as a new user sees it when they first register for an account. I can confirm that (in Chrome on a Windows 10 PC) the dark mode function can be enabled in Preferences. By selecting the tick box labelled "Dark mode toggle: Enable a toggle for using a light text on dark background color scheme", saving the settings and then going to any other page and then 'purging the cache' to ensure everything is properly loaded from my preference, I can then select Dark Mode' from the new user dropdown menu, and toggle it on or off from there. I've not checked its availability in mobile view or in desktop view on my iPhone. I will if you need me to. Does that clarify anything you were unsure of? Nick Moyes (talk) 13:16, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Nick Moyes That helps. I see those things now and it works. (I use desktop mode on a Win PC and sometimes on a tablet). Thanks for checking this for me; I appreciate it.

I shouldn't fixate on the following two things, and I'll let it go after this comment, but...

I am still confused about the reply in this thread, where @SGrabarczuk (WMF) says "it will be possible to build it [dark mode], but until then, what Nick wrote is the best solution". I don't understand, SG. It seems that "it" has been built, given that "what Nick wrote" works fine. Will the same feature be built again?

And as outlined at the link given above - this is what discouraged me at first-- this link - says the devs know that folks want this feature, but then says it's not currently in development. Weird. David10244 (talk) 11:32, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There are so many facets to Wikipedia, MediaWiki etc that it's perfectly possible there are pages floating around that are simply out of date. I honestly don't know. Nick Moyes (talk) 18:55, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@David10244, after asking some more learned folks for clarity, I was told that the difference here is between a fully supported dark mode, custom-tailored to display all the different elements properly, being maintained and updated by actual staff (what folks want) vs. what is basically a color inversion hack maintained by whoever has the time and will to do so (what we have). As it was described to me, the former actually sounds like a fair amount of work, both to set up and to keep updated as software changes roll out. If enough folks think the current solution is good enough, the WMF will probably spend their resources on other things. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:15, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, 199, that's the clearest and most complete answer I have seen, although you did say almost the same thing above (which I missed before). I wish the answer from the WMF would have made the distinction. Cheers! David10244 (talk) 03:23, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes,there is a dark mode option, but it is only available to registered users who edit. If you want to try, simply either log in or create an account in order to do so. 204.129.232.191 (talk) 16:16, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I tried, but it does not work! Learning With Ameer (talk) 10:13, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you made a number of edits, then the dark mode is enabled for you. 204.129.232.191 (talk) 17:59, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is not true. The dark mode gadget is available to all account holders, regardless of number of edits. It is not automatically enabled; it must be activated by the procedure described above. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:19, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just ignore IP 204.129.232.191 - they've been blocked for constantly making pointless, troublesome edits. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:17, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your device may have that feature.Cwater1 (talk) 18:35, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think there's also dark mode in the wikipedia mobile app. WPchanger2011 (talk) 21:02, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This Article is Authantic please Publish it.

Draft:Anurag dixit Shiwgndf (talk) 10:16, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Shiwgndf Hello. I've added the submission information to allow it to be submitted. You've never edited that draft, at least from your account; what is the source of your interest in it? 331dot (talk) 10:18, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sir this all information's are Collected from better sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shiwgndf (talk • contribs) 10:21, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:TUTORIAL on how to add references correctly. And WP:N on what kind of sources that are necessary for an article to "stick". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:00, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The creator of Draft:Anurag dixit is globally locked. My understanding is that therefore this draft should be Speedy deleted. Even if not for that reason, there are no valid formatted references, and some of what is presented to establish notability - for example, minor awards - is not sufficient. David notMD (talk) 13:58, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The OP's account was created 2023-01-28 10:06, and these Teahouse edits are their only contributions.

@David notMD, The page creator appears to be Akhilkumarwiki, who last edited 2022-11-27. I don't see anything in that user's block log -- do globally locked accounts not show up there? And am I allowed to state the obvious suspicion about these accounts? David10244 (talk) 07:34, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The block notice is visible at User:Akhilkumarwiki's Contributions (global account details) rather than User or Talk page, and appears to be due to >30 edits at Simple Wikipedia. David notMD (talk) 09:06, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see, thanks. David10244 (talk) 12:10, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This account is

Confirmed to the article's creator. I have blocked here, and requested global lock. Please consider reporting any other accounts showing up here asking about articles or drafts on that subject to SPI. Cheers Girth Summit _(blether) 18:25, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, @Girth Summit. David10244 (talk) 10:18, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tool on the tip of my tongue, please help me find

Hi! A while back in one of my wiki-browsing adventures, someone linked to a tool (I think it was somewhere on xtools or toolforge) where you can input two editors usernames and it will tell you the articles they both edited and the interval between the edits on that of those editors. Now I can’t find it! Does anyone have a link? Thanks in advance :) BhamBoi (talk) 10:28, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi BhamBoi. There are a couple of "tools" that you can use to do this, but the one you're asking about is (I think) the "Editor Interaction Analyzer". -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:33, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, I actually don’t think that was it…

The one in the back of my brain was more like

(Inputted 2 usernames)

List:

PAGETITLE Edited 2 weeks apart

OTHERPAGE Edited 14 seconds apart

Someone used it in an RFA to show that they had the same interests by having lots of articles they both worked on. BhamBoi (talk) 10:53, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@BhamBoi So not: https://sigma.toolforge.org/editorinteract.py ? (Which produces results like this) Nick Moyes (talk) 12:52, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That is is! Much thanks! BhamBoi (talk) 19:17, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@BhamBoi: That is the same "Editor Interaction Analyzer" tool that I linked to above. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:39, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Marchjuly Yep - I knew that, too. Just thought I'd link to it directly as I was sure you were correct. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:50, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's OK Nick. I should've linked to that particular section instead of simply the page in general. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:52, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My bad too. I was on mobile so the site was hard to navigate if I wasn't on the exact right page to use it. Thanks to both of you! BhamBoi (talk) 20:15, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. It was a pleasure to have been of help to you. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:13, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Editing

I'm working on the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jingbo_Wang, It was declined due to the sources not being adequate. The sources are all peer reviewed journals. I'm unsure why these sources are not reliable. Massie314 (talk) 01:22, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Massie314. I believe that Wang meets the Notability guideline for academics #3 as a Fellow of the Australian Institute of Physics. I am pinging TheChunky, the reviewer who declined the draft, for their input. Cullen328 (talk) 01:35, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Cullen328. I'm new to wikipedia, is there anything that I can do or should I wait for some further feedback from TheChunky? Massie314 (talk) 01:43, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Most of the sources seem to be to her own work, not what others say about her work. 331dot (talk) 01:39, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

331dot, WP:NACADEMIC is an explicit exception to the usual requirement for independent sources. Cullen328 (talk) 01:46, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cullen328 Thanks for pinging me. The subject might pass WP:NACADEMIC, but the personal information about the subject should have at least secondary and independent reliable sources. But I saw that most of the sources were self-published. The subject shouldn't depend on self-published sources (as per WP:SELFPUB). Notability is not so simple, and if a subject is connected to the source, we can't consider it to establish notability. Thanks again.❯❯❯ Chunky aka Al Kashmiri (✍️) 02:59, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree more references about her would be helpful. As it stands now, refs 2-21 are to scientific journal articles (in peer-reviewed journals, thus in my opinion not self-published). David notMD (talk) 03:15, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

TheChunky, articles coauthored by Wang and published in respected, peer-reviewed scientific journals are not "self-published" in any way, shape or form. What gave you that idea? Cullen328 (talk) 03:17, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

TheChunky, the nutshell section of WP:ACADEMIC says that Many scientists, researchers, philosophers, and other scholars (collectively referred to as "academics" for convenience) are notably influential in the world of ideas without their biographies being the subject of secondary sources.. Notability of academics is evaluated with completely different metrics than other topics. Drafts that are more likely than not to survive an AfD debate should be accepted. I cannot imagine a biography of a fellow of a major national academy of physics being deleted at AfD. Cullen328 (talk) 03:29, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to all. Could someone have another review of this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jingbo_Wang? It has been further revised. Dongdian (talk) 13:47, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cullen328 Thanks for your explanation. Well, I am not much of an experienced reviewer of academic articles; I just observed that the subject was connected with most of the references, so I declined the submission. As you said, there are exceptions to the academic notability criteria, so this can be accepted. The creator should resubmit and any reviewer who have academic articles experience can review it. Thanks again.❯❯❯ Chunky aka Al Kashmiri (✍️)

David Del Valle article

Hello, everyone. I just did a pretty complete overhaul of the writer about horror David Del Valle, adding many non primary source citations like from Entertainment Weekly, Video Watchdog, the Texas A&M University Libraries, Fangoria and a lot of others. There were tags for "primary sources" and for "notability." I just wanted to let everyone know in case it wasn't OK to remove them but I think it probably was? Thank you to everyone here. - The Horror, The Horror (talk) 04:09, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@The Horror, The Horror: Thank you for improving the article. I suggest posting this information at Talk:David Del Valle, as people interested in that article probably won't come here looking for information on why you removed the templates. Keep up the good work, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:00, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I will! Thank you! You have always been helpful & supportive. - The Horror, The Horror (talk) 15:57, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Darrin Gray - Author & Speaker

Hello,

I'm attempting to write a page on an author. https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?action=edit&title=Darrin+Gray&create=Create+page

Will this pass as notable? If not what do I need to do to fix.

Thank you for your help.

Renee Renee530 (talk) 23:41, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Renee530, as you have not clicked 'publish changes', nobody else can see the work. In addition, please create the article (not page) first as a draft, probably Draft:Darrin Gray. That will prevent it from getting tagged and speedy deleted immediately by the more aggressive new page patrollers. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 00:54, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I've published the changes and added additional news articles. Renee530 (talk) 16:05, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Renee530, it would have been a much better idea to create a draft, as suggested above. The article you created is not ready for main space - it is full of inline external links instead of references, and many important bits are unsourced. Since this is a biography of a living person, you must be even more careful than usual about good sourcing. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:11, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see it has now been moved to draft space. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:14, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've added external "news" links will this work now? Renee530 (talk) 00:26, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Before submitting, remove all hyperlinks from Draft:Darrin Gray. Some of those may be appropriate as references. See Help:Referencing for beginners. You may want to use your own Sandbox to format refs correctly before copy/pasting into the draft. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs) 21:27, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tag: Disambiguation links added

But, I didn't add Disambiguation link. Did i overlook something? See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2023. --SilverMatsu (talk) 05:04, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Silvermatsu: Welcome to the Teahouse! I don't understand what Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2023 has to do with you or disambiguation links. Could you please restate your question, with links to the related articles and/or discussions? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 05:32, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you your reply. Sorry, that tag (section title) was added to to the edit summary. See Revision history. --SilverMatsu (talk) 05:49, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Stress tensor is a disambiguation page. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:05, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Silvermatsu If you add this code .mw-disambig { color: #FF8921 !important; } /* Orange */ to your common.css at Special:MyPage/common.css, then all disambiguation links will show in orange, which makes it much easier to notice them. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:07, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's easier to enable "Display links to disambiguation pages in orange" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:32, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

True! I learned the other method from a Teahouse post by someone else a couple of years ago. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:27, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@David Biddulph, Michael D. Turnbull, and PrimeHunter: Thank you for teaching me ! The disambiguation link that the "template:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2023/Xxx" called was displayed in orange, so it seems to have triggered the tag. --SilverMatsu (talk) 02:38, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of Photos

I have been redirected from the page Wikipedia talk:Deletion policy to here. I am asking this in the full belief that this is the correct page to ask.

I have seen an article about a person deleted a decade back. She was a non-notable person, and the article seemed to be written by her friends or family members, or for money. That article was proposed for deletion, and after 2 weeks of no objection whatsoever, it was proposed for speedy deletion, and was then deleted within days. That article has not been ever recreated, as far as I understand. But her photo is still visible on this site. The file page says this: "No pages on the English Wikipedia use this file (pages on other projects are not listed)".

How to nominate that photo for deletion? 117.213.59.69 (talk) 09:05, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please add the name of the person and the file name? Otherwise contributors on Wikimedia Commons would likely be more useful, although there are many Commons contributors on Wikipedia. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 09:33, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The file in question is this:

File:Urmila Varma.jpg

I see no reason that this file is to be kept on Wikipedia. 117.213.59.69 (talk) 09:57, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. You can nominate the file for deletion at Commons:File:Urmila Varma.jpg (there's a "Nominate for deletion" in the menu on the left). I have only ever nominated files for deletion for copyright reasons, so I'm not familiar other reasons; but I think you will need to make an argument based on commons:Commons:Deletion policy. ColinFine (talk) 11:03, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Nominated. I shall get back if there are more questions in the future. 117.213.59.69 (talk) 11:49, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bytedance ownership

This youtuber https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1WddKQ7ZTw says that there is a significant ownership change in Bytedance suggesting complete CCP takeover. Bytedance is behind TikTok. Maybe something that would merit some investigation and potentially change in the Bytedance Wikipedia page? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ByteDance 84.248.14.197 (talk) 11:06, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. We don't go by what random "YouTubers" say, but what independent reliable sources say about a topic. YouTube is generally not a reliable source(as anyone can post anything on YouTube) unless the video is from a recognized news outlet from their verified channel. 331dot (talk) 11:10, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Need help edit page about new hacker group

I need help editing a page about the KiraSec hacker group

I ask experienced users to help edit this page.

This hacker group is relatively new, but it is already mentioned in the media website: IBTimes.

2A03:EC00:B144:56D:C5CA:DC51:C833:3CD9 (talk) 15:14, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse. JBW left some very good and detailed advice on the draft at User talk:Samuels99917 - have you seen that post? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:26, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. It's me. And can I ask you to correct mistakes on this page? I'm just new to Wikipedia... Samuels99917 (talk) 15:38, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Samuels99917. Most folks here are volunteers; we work on whatever happens to interest us. People with similar interests create or join WikiProjects to work as a team in order to improve specific areas. WikiProject Internet culture covers hacker groups, so that's probably the best place to find people who might be willing to help. Their talk page is here. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:47, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mobile App

The Mobile app needs the sister sites on it like Commons and Wiki Voyage. Or at least make them separate apps. MeltanFlood (talk) 16:57, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @MeltanFlood, welcome to the Teahouse. If you want to leave feedback about one of the mobile apps, the team working on them has a page here. You can post on the discussion page or follow one of the links to the Android- or iOS-specific FAQ pages and leave a comment on the discussion page there. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:21, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

MeltanFlood This is a proposal in the Community Wishlist Survey. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 21:10, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dr. Phil (talk show)

On the Dr. Phil talk show, can a list of episodes be added into the article. Not sure if this is the best place to ask but thought I could since there may be experts on Wikipedia may know if it is needed or not.Cwater1 (talk) 18:37, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again @Cwater1. Have you considered asking the folks at WikiProject Television? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:45, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I didn't think of that. I will do that. Thank you!Cwater1 (talk) 18:48, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See the topic I added. Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Television#Dr. Phil (talk show)Cwater1 (talk) 18:51, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Beginner's trademark and copyright query

I notice that although the word 'Zentangle' is on the list of art techniques here and has a slot on wikiHow (BTW, is wikiHow anything to do with this encyclopedia?), it has no page of its own. This is possibly because an organisation in the USA has trademarked and copyrighted the word, method and the materials they produce to help students to learn the technique. I suppose Zentangles could be mentioned under 'Doodle' which has a page, or, better yet, under 'Pattern' which has a page. The question for this beginner editor is ....how would one deal with the trademark/copyright situation? I guess it can't mean that I cannot write about Zentangles (or other trademarked concepts) at all, since Coca Cola, for example, has a page? I have no connection with the Z brand or the company by the way. Just trying to learn. Thanks. Balance person (talk) 19:31, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Balance person: Welcome to the Teahouse! Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, especially if you do not have a lot of experience editing existing Wikipedia articles. To learn how to edit, I suggest you start at Help:Introduction. I suggest spending a significant amount of time editing existing articles to hone your skills. Once you're ready to create an article, you would gather multiple independent reliable sources that have provided significant coverage of the subject, and determine whether it meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability". If so, you could follow the instructions at Help:Your first article, and be prepared for a process that may include waiting for review, rejections, and rewrites, before an article is created.

Also, wikiHow is not related to Wikipedia - they are two separate projects using the same MediaWiki software. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:44, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, and welcome. To add to GoingBatty's answer: no, whether the name is a trademark or not is not relevant. As always the key question is whether there is enough material independent of the organization published about it in reliable sources to establish that it is notable. ColinFine (talk) 21:37, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks to both GoingBatty and ColinFine. I have actually edited quite a few pages already and done some new pages. I guess I should stop saying I am a beginner and say 'not very experienced' instead. But I have not had to deal with the trademark issue before. I am happy to read that it is not a block for inclusion, provided other things like notability, independent sources, etc are taken care of. Thanks too for the info about wikiHow! And for your speed of response. Balance person (talk) 22:22, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Balance person: We do have a style guide WP:TRADEMARK that explains how to use trademarked things in prose. Basically we write them as normal words and we don't follow the company's preferences about weird uppercasing/lowercasing, spacing, funny symbols, or whatever. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:21, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah! Great! That's what I have been looking for. Thank you.Balance person (talk) 08:52, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

welcome message on my talk page

I received a welcome message on my talk page. There is a "reply" button but it doesn't work (I tested this bug on both windows and macOs). Is there anywhere I can report issues about wikipedia templates ? (also isn't it a bit weird to receive a welcome message long after I create my account ? ) Vincent-vst🚀 (talk) 20:23, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Vincent-vst: Welcome to the Teahouse. Normally if there's an issue with a particular template, you'd find that template's talk page to mention the issue. However, the Reply tool does not fall under that, and you are best going to the village pump (technical) to find more tech-savvy Wikipedians to help you.
I'll note that I tried fiddling around on your talk page, and it seems the tool works on almost every comment except for the ones that follow the welcome template. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:36, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

thank you Vincent-vst🚀 (talk) 07:26, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Shy editor, requests feedback for new edit

Hello, I recently edited the Indonesia–Israel relations page, to update it with 2023 news about Israeli Olympic shooter Sergy Rikhter withdrawing from ISSF meet in Jakarta.

I left a request for feedback on it's talk page—however, despite it being around for 12+ years, the page is listed as low to mid-importance on a variety of projects + there is only one other "talk" topic. I'm afraid it will be overlooked. I'm generally shy about significant edits and have been mostly lurking and making minor edits. Reverses and hard-nosed pushback seems to be de rigueur, so I admit I've been languishing. This seems silly, and I'd like to try to push through whatever hurdles and blocks exist for me to become a more dedicated editor.

I'd appreciate some patient editor/mod taking a look at my brief contribution and offering feedback. On the talk page I asked for ways to improve or pointing out glaring errors, but allowing the ability to correct errors on my own. Thank you!! 🙏 mazal (talk) 23:15, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Lezelmaz: Hi there! I made some tweaks to your addition, including combining two paragraphs into one and updating the references. I suggest removing the sentence stating "Richter won gold...", as that level of detail is better for the article about Richter. Does one of the reliable sources explain why the ISSF refused to allow him to compete with any ISR symbols? Thanks, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:25, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@GoingBatty, thanks for the help! In particular the guidance of removing FB tracking garbage is enlightening. Although I would have appreciated the chance to fix it, I understand you might have thought it would be overly technical. Can we discuss your suggestion to remove the sentence regarding Richter's athletic accomplishments? I get the logic of why you think it's misplaced, and perhaps that's due to my clunky prose. My intention is very briefly to offer context for why Richter's withdrawal is significant enough to post on a page dedicated to Indonesia—Israel relations. It's also written about in both cited articles. The articles also go into great detail about the markings on Richter's weapons, etc., which I didn't feel added any situational value, and left out. Regarding Q2: (explanation for why ISSF refused ISR symbols?) One of the articles only intimates the lack of diplomatic ties, but doesn't offer a specific ISSF statement or rational. Since the "History" section of the wiki page is literally the progression of repeated, but ultimately failed, attempts at establishing formal diplomatic ties, I left it at that. I took the time to review all the rest of your tweaks not related to my edit, which I hope you might let me inquire about. mazal (talk) 03:41, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Lezelmaz: I think describing him as an Olympic athlete is sufficient to explain why his withdrawal is significant, without needing to list some of his medals. However, I don't feel strongly enough to remove it myself. I also copied your work into the article about Sergy Rikhter, and tweaked it a bit. Happy to discuss the details of my edits further if you like. GoingBatty (talk) 04:13, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@GoingBatty: Oh, nice. I sent a thanks. :) I'll leave it for now and revisit in a few days to see how it feels. Perhaps all the wikilink decorations give it more weight than necessary? I appreciate the breathing room. Re many of other tweaks, perhaps it's too pedantic on my part but I'm curious about converting most(?) of the citations in "publisher" to "work" field. I took a quick peek at the template you reference in summary. I'm not deeply schooled in every citation style, but your conversion seem very journal-centric (as opposed to web-based, and news)? Anyway it just peaked my interest. I also noted expanding "language" field, among others, which is obviously logical—and helpful. Thank you for all the attention! mazal (talk) 04:40, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Lezelmaz: Newspapers/magazine/journal titles should be italicized, and changing |publisher= to |work= does that italicization. GoingBatty (talk) 06:12, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Citing sources

Hello! On Draft:Thunkable, I don't know how to cite sources. I do know how to add a reference, but I can't find any reliable sources about thunkable. If I use EveryBody Wiki and Bios as a source/external link, it's blocked. I don't know how to cite the article, and if I submit it, it's declined. What can I do about this? Sincerely, WPchanger2011 (talk) 00:49, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@WPchanger2011: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you can't find reliable sources that are independent from the subject, it's probably not notable as Wikipedia defines it. You've already cited sources as one would expect on Wikipedia, so I don't know what you mean by you not knowing how to cite sources. I'll also say that using wikis (including Wikipedia itself) is a bad idea; user-generated content almost always lacks the editorial oversight for a source to be considered reliable. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:55, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, so it means there's nothing I can do about it? WPchanger2011 (talk) 20:59, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@WPchanger2011, unless you can find reliable sources, that is, indeed, the end of the line - for now. It doesn't mean the subject will never be notable, just that it isn't at the moment. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:06, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What to write in regards to unverifiable material?

Heya, folks. For the past month or so I've been creating an article (Sandbox draft here) on a band from Northern Norway, but there is one thing I'm uncertain about. In its early history (when information about the band was more poorly documented), there was a member called Marianne Hanssen who seems to have left sometime in 2005. The thing I'm concerned about is that there are no sources that say she left, nor when her final perfomance with the band was, so there would be no way to verify this information without it being original research.

The last source that mentions her by name (at least in connection to the band) was from 28 May 2005, but she may very well have had performances after that. The next source I could find that details the members of the band is from November 2005, with no mention of Hanssen. A source from 2009 says that she was a member, but not when she left. I've written something akin to "By [November 2005], the band consisted of [members here]", which sidesteps the issue of writing about Hanssen entirely. Is this the right approach? ArcticSeeress (talk) 01:27, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ArcticSeeress, that seems OK to me. -- Hoary (talk) 05:31, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Language link

Hello. I have translated the article Neuro-sama into Chinese, and I am sure that I have set the language link in Wikidata correctly. It does seem good in Chinese Wikipedia. However, in English Wikipedia, there is an unknown language "Norsk nynorsk" in "Languages", and it points to the page "[[nn:Mal:Aipire]]", which doesn't exist. How to deal with it? Thanks! --Yining Chen (talk) 02:44, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Other languages can be added directly to an article through text, like the following: [[zh:Neuro-Sama]]. The text [[nn:Mal:Aispire]] was added to the template Template:Compu-ai-stub by an IP editor last month, which is currently transcluded to the Neuro-Sama article. I've gone ahead and removed it. ArcticSeeress (talk) 04:59, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! --Yining Chen (talk) 05:50, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Headline style

I was looking around for if the Manual of Style has a set type of headline style for citations. I read here that the Manual of Style requests sentence case but couldn't find the actual page saying as much. Is that correct or is like other things where the MOS defers to single-article consistency regardless of style. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 07:19, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Krisgabwoosh. Please read WP:ALLCAPS which provides some guidance. Cullen328 (talk) 07:31, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So does "sentence case if required by the citation style established in the article" mean it should always be sentence case or only when the article already used sentence case. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 07:32, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Generally, we should try as much as possible to use the same citation style that's already being used in an article per WP:CITEVAR, and typically this is the style chosen by the creator of the article or the first primary contributor to the article. Typically, styles aren't changed after the fact unless there's a pretty good reason for doing so and there's a consensus for doing so. Personally, other than MOS:ALLCAPS issues, I don't care too much about whether a citation uses headline case or sentence case for the title of a cited source, but some users may: particularly for WP:FA or WP:GA articles. I think you're more likely going to run into trouble mucking around with the date format used in citations or a complete changing of citation style than you're going to run into by changing "The Title of the Source Is This" to "The title of the source is this". If you do make such an edit and nobody reverts you, then great. If someone does revert you, then I wouldn't choose arguing about that to be my hill to die on so to speak. While I think it's important to be true to the source whenever possible, I tend to place a higher value on consistency in style and that's probably what we should strive for. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:20, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Krisgabwoosh: Note that the link in your original post is discussing the Wikipedia style for titling our own articles (and sections in them), not the style for titles of works in citations. The most explicit advice that I know about the latter is in MOS:CT: WP:Citing sources § Citation style permits the use of pre-defined, off-Wikipedia citation styles within Wikipedia, and some of these expect sentence case for certain titles (usually article and chapter titles). Title case should not be imposed on such titles under such a citation style when that style is the one consistently used in an article. There are other considerations (such as using sentence style for titles of books in non-English languages when that style is usual in those languages), and the reality is that the capitalization of titles of works in Wikipedia citations is wildly inconsistent. If you're writing a new article, you can't go wrong by using title-style capitalization for all titles of English-language works; but it's probably best not to mess with title capitalization in existing articles unless the current capitalization is grossly inconsistent and you're quite sure of what you're doing. Deor (talk) 15:04, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki page

I've created a page which was declined and I'm unable to know the exact reason. How do I know what mistakes or what should be take care that it is not declined. Here is the page link:

Draft:Udapachar - Wikipedia Mogalgiddi (talk) 11:32, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Mogalgiddi, and welcome to the Teahouse. The words in blue in the notice at the top of the draft are all links to pages which explain the terms. However, in short: your draft does not have a single citation in the sense that Wikipedia requires: see WP:REFB. The tone is unencyclopaedic, being full of evaluative language and editorialising (and even the pronoun "I"): see WP:NPOV. Another editor has suggested that it may be a direct copy of the one source you mention, and hence a copyright violation and forbidden anywhere in Wikipedi.

I suggest reading the WP:YFA and the essay WP:BACKWARD. ColinFine (talk) 11:46, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks ColinFine for your prompt response and providing the insight on how to draft the encyclopaedia. I will go through the links properly and get back to you for further assistance. Mogalgiddi (talk) 12:36, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In the feedback which you have received, both on the draft page and on your user talk page, the words in blue are wikilinks to pages which give you further help. When you have read those pages, if there is something specific which you don't understand, please feel free to ask a more detailed question. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:47, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hey David thanks for your prompt response. I'll go through the links once and get back to you if any confusion. Further can I get live help while i create or edit the draft? Mogalgiddi (talk) 12:32, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mogalgiddi, that 'draft" doesn't even start to look like an encyclopedia article. This is an encyclopedia. It has articles. Please read some. Then you'll start to understand what an encyclopedia article is. -- Hoary (talk) 11:48, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You cannot get live help. Teahouse hosts are her to advise, but not be live guides or co-authors. Reviews take place days to weeks or even months after a draft is submitted. David notMD (talk) 14:23, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ALL subjective content, such as "He had perfect rapport with the management. His dedication and love for the school was so intense and abiding that he cared little for himself and his welfare." must be removed. ALL remaining content must be verified by reliable source references. There is so much wrong with the draft that the best path is to copy it all you your computer, delete all from Wikipedia, and start over. David notMD (talk) 14:26, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dark mode edit

Hi there, I think that the dark mode background gadget should be changed to the hex code: #454545 as it is better for your eyes, or let the user be able to set a hex code for the background.

Best wishes,
Blutankalpha (talk) 12:03, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Blutankalpha, welcome to the Teahouse. Your suggestion is more likely to be seen and considered if you post at the gadget's talk page, Wikipedia talk:Dark mode (gadget). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:07, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ok will do.

Thanks, Blutankalpha (talk) 16:06, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Creating Company Page

The company I work with doesn't have a wikipedia page, but another company with a similar name and industry but different location and background has, which is causing confusion.

Do I create a page of our company or will it count as a not notable topic and would've wasted my time. Note that the company that had the wikipedia page is no longer even active.

Helion Venture Partners is the already found page, our company is Helion Ventures Investment ltd. Helion Ventures (talk) 12:44, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Helion Ventures. You will need to change your username, because it implies it can be used by multiple persons, which is not allowed. "User:John Doe at Helion Ventures" would be fine. Go to Wikipedia:Changing_username/Simple to request that.

Furthermore, if you edit Wikipedia as part of your work duties, you need to make a specific disclosure to comply with the terms of use, see WP:PAID for how to do that. In any case, you should definitely read WP:COI before editing any topic with which you are closely related.

Onto your question, there are a few things...

You should start by trying to find good sources to demonstrate the notability, and only if you find these sources, then you start to write. Most new users start by writing and then try to find sources, which is indeed a waste of time, as the user essay WP:BACKWARD explains. It was wise of you not to do that.

What constitutes a good source, you may ask? Well, as WP:GNG says, it is a source that is simultaneously (1) independent of the subject, (2) reliable, and (3) deals with the topic in detail. For instance, an interview fails (1), a blog post by a unknown internet user fails (2), and an entry in a phonebook directory fails (3), so none of those are any good. One good source trumps a thousand bad ones in that matter. If you come back at the Teahouse page with the best sources you can find, we can tell you if they are good or not.

Assuming you can indeed find good sources, you should then create a draft and push it through the articles for creation process. This will cause a reviewer to check the draft and sort of any technical problems (such as: where to put the page if there are multiple companies with the same name).

Finally, I am not convinced the page you link to (the other company) should stay. The fact that it managed to stay on Wikipedia for 12 years does not mean it should have, and you should not think that the page about a similar company will stay. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 13:13, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. We have articles. Wikipedia is not a directory. We do not have pages. If your company does not meet our notability policies, it should not have an article. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:14, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Companies that no longer exist can still be the topics of valid articles (just like dead people). However, an Articles for deletion has been submitted for Helion Venture Partners because of the weakness of the article and references. And do not forget to change your User name (or else abandon the account and start a new one) before doing any more editing. David notMD (talk) 16:53, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How to dismiss a draft I submitted?

Hi! Is it possible to dismiss a draft that has already been submitted for review? If yes, please let me know how. Thank you. Bmjc98 (talk) 12:54, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Do you mean just un-submit? Roll back in the edit history to the version just before you submitted. Do you mean get rid of the draft entirely? Edit it and replace the contents with {{db-author}}. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:12, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

CS1 and CS2

Hi. I was trying to add some citations in some random article, but the main problem was that I could not find the difference in the structure of a citation between WP:CS1 and WP:CS2. The only difference between these CS that I know is that the CS2 uses citation template {{citation}}, while CS1 uses various citation templates such as {{cite book}}, {{cite magazine}}, {{cite journal}}, and so on. Did I miss something? Could anyone give me an example of a citation using two CS? It might be helpful to understand. Dedhert.Jr (talk) 16:16, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Dedhert.Jr: See Help:Citation Style 2#Style. Don't worry about it unless you are writing a featured article. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:49, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@PrimeHunter I don't comprehend with that means. Can you clarify? How is that related to the featured article? Because of that, I might want to know the difference between the citation style in GA and FA. Dedhert.Jr (talk) 00:50, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Dedhert.Jr: There is no general difference beetween citation styles in featured and other articles but it's usually only in featured articles that editors strongly care about having a consistent citation style within the article. In other articles it will just be ignored or silently changed at some time if you use the "wrong" style for that article, assuming it even has a "right" style. You won't be blamed and it's very low on the list of things to worry about as a new editor. So low that I suggest you just ignore it. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:40, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@PrimeHunter I see, and thank you for the explanation. However, I would like to let you know that I was trying to fix the references in Analytic number theory. I have put some citations, but it made me struggle because it uses inline and short citations. I personally would like to change it just like the structure in Isosceles triangle, but I guess it is not possible unless there is a discussion before any modification is implemented. Dedhert.Jr (talk) 02:03, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Conflict resolution

Just curious. If two editors have a disagreement about a certain Wikipedia policy on their private talk page, how to best arrive at a resolution? How to bring this issue to a third party so that they can offer a neutral opinion? Bostonite01310^talk 18:23, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Bostonite01310, welcome to the Teahouse. Dispute resolution covers our general procedures. We have a number of noticeboards dedicated to hashing out disputes in specific areas - WP:BLPN for BLP (biographies of living people) issues, WP:FTN for fringe theories, etc. A third opinion option exists but it's meant for content disputes, not policy discussions. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:29, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thant helps, thank you! Bostonite01310^talk 18:34, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Billy Bunter

Why is he stated to be William George Bunter, when he is William George Samuel Bunter? May this be corrected? Thank you. Paul R Sheridan TD BA, Grimsby, Lincolnshire, UK 79.68.125.0 (talk) 22:23, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy link: Billy Bunter - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:29, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This fictional character appeared in over 1600 magazine stories. Can you provide a link to a specific story that gives the full name? Cullen328 (talk) 22:40, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Paul, and welcome to the Teahouse.

If you have improvements to suggest to an article, you can either edit the article yourself, or open a discussion on the article's talk page - in this case Talk:Billy Bunter. In either case, it helps if you have a reliable published source to cite. --ColinFine (talk) 22:41, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There are zero Google hits on "William George Samuel Bunter" and about 3310 on "William George Bunter". This is unlikely to be changed even if you can find a story which uses that name. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:43, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the Teahouse, Paul! Note that your reliable published source does not have to be online. You can use books, magazines, and newspapers as well. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:14, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Citing other Wikis

Can I cite Fandom wikis for character pages just for information about the characters? The page for Ace Attorney Characters had the vast majority of its information removed on the basis of it having no sources, so I just want to add that information back again. My name has no spaces (talk) 02:18, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, Fandom wikis are not reliable sources. ––FormalDude (talk) 02:22, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@My name has no spaces: Welcome to the Teahouse. To be more specific, the common wiki operates on user-generated content, which means it lacks editorial oversight most of the time and thus is not reliable by Wikipedia's standards. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:33, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My name has no spaces. Wikipedia has much higher editorial standards than Fandom, but even Wikipedia articles are not acceptable as references in other Wikipedia articles. Please read WP:CIRCULAR. Cullen328 (talk) 03:45, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@My name has no spaces: I think Cullen328 meant please see WP:CIRCULAR. GoingBatty (talk) 04:11, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Editing the Edit Description after Posting

I didn’t realize how short edit descriptions are supposed to be, and I made mine too long. Can I edit the description after already posting it? Helpfuldom123 (talk) 03:04, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Helpfuldom123: I believe the edit summary that you have written is perfectly fine so it shouldn't need to be changed. In fact I found the summary to be quite helpful for describing what was changed and why it was changed. For more information you can read Help:Edit summary and while it isn't possible from the software side for an editor to modify their previous edit summaries, a dummy edit also works if the previous summary was either misleading or lacking. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 03:12, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Helpfuldom123. Your edit summary was just fine although a trifle long. My edit summaries vary in length according to the circumstances. "Rvv" is fine for reverting obvious vandalism, but when I revert a good faith edit, I go into greater detail in my edit summary. Cullen328 (talk) 04:01, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

phraising

How would I phrase Winkelmann, Texas is a tourist attraction located in Washington County in User:HelpingWorld/sandbox, Its a town made up of historic structures, so its techincally not inhabited or a ghost town so pretty much a tourist attraction? How do i phrase it? `~HelpingWorld~`^(👽🛸) 05:50, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I did a quick online search of Winklemann, and would describe it as a former tourist attraction. I found it an interesting story of how Mr. Winklemann began collecting old building to form a town, and then lost everything due to financial problems. I hope you are able to write a publishable article on Winklemann, but remember that you'll need reliable published references for everything you include. You can't do what I just did, and find some neat stuff that had been posted online. Best wishes on your efforts. Karenthewriter (talk) 06:19, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

More of a faux town than a ghost town. Possible ref: https://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/entries/winkelmann-tx See List of open-air and living history museums in the United States for more than 100 example articles. David notMD (talk) 11:24, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Editing a Production Page

Hello team, Have been trying to edit a production house page, but the article was declined saying Fully Unsourced, and it has just mentions of the name. Since our Producers dont speak to the media that often, all we are left with is mentions of our upcoming projects in the news sources, suggest a way to keep the page up please.

https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Draft:People_Media_Factory&action=history Deepak Alone 08:51, 3 February 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deepak Alone (talk • contribs)

Hello, Deepak Alone. Your draft is entirely unreferenced which violates several of Wikipedia's core content policies. Acceptable Wikipedia articles summarize the significant coverage that independent reliable sources devote to a topic, and those sources should be presented as references. Unreferenced drafts are declined routinely. Cullen328 (talk) 08:59, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Deepak Alone. I see that you declared a COI; if you work for this production house, the Terms of Use require you to make the stricter paid editing disclosure. 331dot (talk) 09:32, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed you said "Our". While this may seem like a simple thing, that would suggest that multiple people are using your account. Wikipedia accounts are meant for one person each. Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 17:47, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Understood, will add the references. Deepak Alone 11:59, 3 February 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deepak Alone (talk • contribs)

I cant find sources anywhere.

I don't know where to find them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Shawn_Flindall Carsonnetic (talk) 14:19, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Carsonnetic, and welcome to the Teahouse. At the bottom of the decline reason left by KylieTastic, it states If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia. This, sadly, may be the case if you cannot find additional reliable sources. Tails Wx 14:29, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Social media are not valid references. I agree that there is nothing here that suggests that Flindall merits an article. I recommend the draft be deleted. To do this, put Db-author inside double curly brackets {{ }} at the top of the draft. David notMD (talk) 16:46, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Struggling to find citations for gameplay section.

Hi Teahouse, I find it hard to find citations for a gameplay section. (the page in reference) What would be the best way to find them? GooseTheGreat (talk) 14:55, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @GooseTheGreat: Welcome to the Teahouse. So, I am not 100% certain, but I believe that the gameplay description of a video game falls under the guidance of WP:PLOTSOURCE, as it is analogous to the plot summary of a book; in that case "The plot summary for a work, on a page about that work, does not need to be sourced with in-line citations, as it is generally assumed that the work itself is the primary source for the plot summary. However, editors are encouraged to add sourcing if possible, as this helps discourage original research." In other words, if you are summarizing the gameplay, and you are worried about not having an inline cite, you can cite the game itself as the source; though since that is implied anyways, that is not strictly necessary. However, I may be mistaken about that; if you want more detailed information about the standards for video game articles, Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games may be a better place to get help or find information. --Jayron 32 16:33, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Help citing a video game as a source (please see details)

Hi everyone,

There is a video game which features general information about various teams. I'm not sure how to cite the actual video game as a source for a piece of information. None of these really produce the typical citation you would see for a website with the number in the box under references - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cite_video_game.

Any ideas on how to do this? Seems like it has been done before, but I can't find it. KKLAccount (talk) 16:26, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @KKLAccount: Welcome to the Teahouse. I'm a bit confused. For what specific purpose are you trying to cite the video game? Which teams? What information? I could possibly direct you to the right solution, but I'm not 100% clear on what you are trying to write in Wikipedia, and in what article, while citing this video game. --Jayron 32 16:28, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Have you read WP:Referencing for beginners? - David Biddulph (talk) 16:30, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@KKLAccount: I believe what you are trying to do is produce an inline citation that will show up in the list of references. This template should work:

{{cite video game |title= |trans-title= |developer= |publisher= |date= |platform= |version= |scene= |level= |language= |quote= }}

Make sure you are adding the ref tags around the citation. ― TUNA × 16:32, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I didn't know the ref tags had to be put on it to make it work. That's perfect.KKLAccount (talk) 16:41, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

KKLAccount It would probably be better to cite where the video game is getting the information, rather than the game itself- but like Jayron32 states, it's hard to know without knowing exactly what it is you are trying to do. 331dot (talk) 16:34, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@User:Jayron32 @User talk:Tunakanski @331dot - Issue is resolved. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KKLAccount (talk • contribs) 16:46, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unable to provide linked references

I'm writing an article and I am not able to add references other than a LinkedIn profile. Is it possible for me to add the info? Turbinas (talk) 17:16, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Turbinas, welcome to the Teahouse. Are you saying that you have no sources other than a LinkedIn profile? That will not be sufficient for a Wikipedia article. You need multiple independent, reliable, published secondary sources with significant coverage of the subject - see WP:Golden Rule. LinkedIn's content is user generated and generally unreliable. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:20, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@199.208.172.35, I believe the OP might be talking about a technical issue. Please elaborate? Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 17:44, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If this is about your draft Draft:Dublin Institute of Spanish and the LinkedIn profile of the founder, no, that is not considered a reliable source reference, because anyone can write anything in their LinkedIn account. David notMD (talk) 22:37, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Turbinas I did a quick Google search for the Dublin Institute of Spanish and found nothing useful to base an article on. Please read this essay and you'll see why your attempt to create something acceptable has been unsuccessful so far. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:41, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple, Related Articles 'Speedily Deleted'

This morning I added an album listing to the article List of 2023 albums. Afterwards, the user User:QuietHere deleted the album listing -and- went on to unilaterally delete (via redirection) several very longstanding pages for the band and their albums, arguably citing non-notability. I think the pages should be restored pending a more thorough consideration of their importance. Given the breadth of the sudden changes and my relative ignorance of how Wikipedia operates, I don't think my trying to directly discuss this with User:QuietHere is feasible. Rather, I'd hope this could be escalated to staff a/o an administrator of some sort.

Pages deleted:

Isomega, don't worry, the pages weren't "speedily deleted" and all the prior content is still in the edit histories for those pages. Just discuss the matter with the other user, and if you can come to an agreement about notability the pages are quite easy to restore without help from admins! Larataguera (talk) 21:36, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The (longstanding) pages were never proposed for deletion, etc., they were just summarily redirected (which was tantamount to deletion). At the very least it seems like they should be immediately reinstated and, if necessary, a formal process for the consideration of their deletion started. I don't think the existence of the articles/information should merely hinge on an agreement between myself and another user. Rather, it should be opened to a wider request for feedback and settled after due deliberation. Isomega (talk) 21:59, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It does appear that User:QuietHere deleted the content of all of those articles (all content still visible via View History) and created a redirect to Justin Chancellor, who was a member of the band, and therefore musician on those album and song articles. The most efficient next step might be to start a discussion on QuietHere's Talk page rather than on the Talk pages of the articles in question. I did see that one thing in common for all the disputed articles is that there were no references, and were template tagged at the top, but that does not justify these redirects. David notMD (talk) 22:45, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Chancellor article mentions that he was in the band Peach, but provides no details about the band, its albums or songs, so the redirect is 100% useless. David notMD (talk) 22:57, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Isomega apologies for the confusion. I did the background research into the band and the coverage I found was far from sufficient for an article for the band or any of their albums so I decided a bold redirect was the best option. I almost put it to an AfD but I was confident enough in the move and figured the result would be the same nonetheless so I skipped that step. If you disagree then you can restore the articles and I will launch the AfD so we can have a formal discussion about it, but I still don't expect it'll make a difference. As for @David notMD's point above, the reason there are so little details about the band in the Chancellor article is because the details in the band article were mostly unsourced and what is already in the Chancellor article is about all the reliably sourced info that exists already. QuietHere (talk) 03:48, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And for the record, you could've contacted me on my talk page about this. I promise I don't bite! QuietHere (talk) 03:49, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

clarence besaw

clarence besaw was born april 13 1919 his mother bertha besaw was in almshouse in new york in 1919 was looking for information about bertha besaw and her son clarence besaw know bertha mother was josephine andrew besaw bertha father was john james tallman clarence was born to bertha but his name changed to harold palmore later in his life but was looking for information when he was in almshouse and when he came to ok 64.37.26.143 (talk) 21:51, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi IP editor. Wikipedia has never had an article about Clarence Besaw. Are you proposing to draft one? If so, please read carefully WP:YFA. If you need more help, just ask here in this thread. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:35, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

IP user: I see that you made essemtially the same statement a few days ago, now archived at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1177#clarence besaw. I'm afraid you're going to have to give us a bit more of a clue about what help you need.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 23:00, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Search Bar

Is there a page with a simple search bar (enter a topic to search for) anywhere? JohnPaulusO (talk) 22:07, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Try Special:Search RudolfRed (talk) 22:11, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the Teahouse, JohnPaulusO. There is a search box at the top of every single page on Wikipedia! We use that to find a named article. But to find broad topics you would need to use WP:CATEGORIES. RudolphRed has just pointed you in the right direction. Make sure you select 'Category' from namespace, not 'Article'. So you could type 'Fish' and search through our categories and be taken to Category:Fish where you could then start to hone in on your preferred topic. You will also find Categories listed at the very bottom of every article. So find an article that relates to your subject interest and look through its categories in turn to find similar types of articles. Let us know if you need more info than that. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:17, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@JohnPaulusO: The search bar at top of pages has moved from the right to the center with default settings and you may have to click a magnifying glass icon first. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:05, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Trouble with ORGCRIT

Hi all, I'm trying to create a wikipedia page for a large company that I believe easily meets the Wikipedia standards for notability, but my page has been rejected three times for failing to establish notability due to sourcing. Can someone help me by looking through my sources and IDing those that fail to meet standards? Draft:Vir Biotechnology

Thanks! Ebolaisariver (talk) 23:58, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Ebolaisariver, welcome to the Teahouse. Your article has 30 sources. Surely you can look at them and tell which are in-depth, completely independent of the company (not derived from press releases or published by people associated with the company), and published in reliable sources with editorial control. The comments on the article already provide links that explain this. If you have questions about two or three sources I would be happy to look at them. StarryGrandma (talk) 01:52, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Trouble with Graphs

I am trying to put a simple graph into an article. Just data points and labels are all I want to include so that future editor can just concatenate from the orginal graph when more data points are added. I was able to paste some sort of SVG code from the graph tutorial, but the previews do not look like the information will be displayed appropriately. Any help on how to do this? I don't want to just put the data in a table. Teslaedit17 (talk) 00:57, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Teslaedit17, the easiest way to do a simple graph here is with {{Graph:Chart}}. The documentation has many examples at Template:Graph:Chart#Examples. StarryGrandma (talk) 01:33, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Found that Graph template very helpful. Now to add the thousands of data points. Teslaedit17 (talk) 04:36, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why are place boundaries not showing?

Why is it that when using Wikidata in articles, the place boundary shows up for this for (Q790094) Avalon Beach but not for (Q5395442) Erowal Bay? As far as I can tell both have the OSM Relation data linked. Avalon Beach (2918144) and Erowal Bay (6076612). These are just two specific examples but the question applies more generally.

Mapframe Avalon example

Mapframe Erowal Bay example

What's going on here? Ceyx azureus (talk) 03:26, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How to remove a clarification needed

I am new to Wikipedia and am working on an existing article "Mark Bly - American Dramaturg": Mark_Bly. In the second paragraph, the tag "clarification needed" has been inserted by an editor. I have attempted to provide clarification with a parenthetical note and have added an additional citation: #18. I'm wondering if someone could take a look and if the clarification is sufficient remove the tag. If not, I'd appreciate any suggestion as to how to address the request and eliminate the tag. Thank you for your help on this and in the past. - Geoffproehl970 Geoffproehl970 (talk) 03:53, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As a creator of show , I want to add my name

I am the creator , I started this show from scratch as creative Director and my name come on tittle montage also …so I need to update it on Wikipedia also 103.233.141.74 (talk) 04:59, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Subject show AJOONI CREATOR …Trivendra Singh