User talk:RoseSong

Your submission at Articles for creation: Byron Schenkman (February 26)

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(t) Josve05a (c) 19:56, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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A tag has been placed on Draft:Byron Schenkman requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article or image appears to be a clear copyright infringement. This article or image appears to be a direct copy from http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Bio/Schenkman-Byron.htm. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Byron Schenkman (March 19)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Worldbruce was:

The draft is very promising, but some problems remain that, taken together, are significant. Per WP:RS, articles should be based mainly on reliable secondary sources. Primary and tertiary sources should be used to a lesser extent.

KING FM, The Seattle Times, and The New York Times are excellent sources. Try to base the majority of the draft on them. If they can't support the bulk of it, then search for additional sources of a similar nature that will (try KUOW, Seattle Weekly, Seattle Post-Intelligencer, and The Boston Globe for example).

The raft of bios from Schenkman, his employers, his publishers, groups he's played with, and events he's played at are less desirable sources. Unlike material from scholarly sources or news organizations, they haven't undergone the scrutiny of peers, editors, and armies of fact checking researchers. Moreover, if they weren't written by Schenkman himself, they were likely based largely on input from him. Try to minimize the number of these sources used and how often they are cited.

Using five sources to support a simple sentence is overkill. For example, "He graduated from the New England Conservatory, where he was a student of John Gibbons," could be fully supported by Bach Cantatas or Naxos. A little redundancy is okay (maybe two sources in this case) but citing many more sources than necessary reduces readability, makes verification more time consuming, and gives the statement undue emphasis. Reducing citation overkill may help eliminate some of the less reliable, less independent biographical blurbs entirely.

Also always guard against unintentional copying and strive for a neutral point of view. "Schenkman made his New York recital debut playing the modern piano in 2009; his playing was reviewed in The New York Times as 'sparkling,' 'elegant,' and 'insightful'" closely paraphrases Gut Reaction and cherrypicks the peacock terms from The New York Times review.

Finally, the Wikipedia convention is to list works in chronological order, earliest to latest.

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Worldbruce (talk) 18:16, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Byron Schenkman (April 6)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Aerospeed was:

This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability—see the guidelines on the notability of people and the golden rule. Please improve the submission's referencing, so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia.
What you can do: Add citations (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners) to secondary reliable sources that are entirely independent of the subject.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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Aerospeed (Talk) 23:41, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Byron Schenkman has been accepted

Byron Schenkman, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.
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JAaron95 | Talk | Contribs 10:54, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Up for a challenge?

Would you have any interest in improving the article about the luthier Brian Lisus? This discussion at Articles for Deletion identified additional sources that demonstrate his notability and could be added to the article. Now someone needs to step up and rewrite/expand the article with a summary of what the sources say. I don't have time to do the writing, but could help you get hold of the sources. Worldbruce (talk) 20:26, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent! As you'll be doing the work, let's keep any discussion of the project on your talk page so that the thread is easy to follow. I'll watch your talk page, but you may also use any of {{User|Worldbruce}}, {{ping|Worldbruce}}, or {{reply to|Worldbruce}} to draw my attention to something you write there. You can make a copy of Brian Lisus in your sandbox (or create a second sandbox) and work on it there, or work on it directly in article space if you prefer.

Here's a list of recommended sources:

Heckl, Gudrun (9 November 2003). "He's the sultan of string". The Sunday Times. Johannesburg.
Sack, Joe (13 August 2006). "Cape Town's school for Stradivariuses popularises the fine art of violin-making". The Sunday Indpendent. Johannesburg. Retrieved 10 June 2015 – via HighBeam Research. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |subscription= ignored (|url-access= suggested) (help)
"A luthier's tribute to Nelson Mandela". The Strad. 6 December 2013 [First published December 2010]. Retrieved 3 May 2015.
Stelzer, Savannah (14 August 2013). "Violin Maker". Santa Barbara Independent. Santa Barbara, CA.
Gregory, Kim Lamb (14 December 2013). "Internationally-known South African violin maker sets up shop in Ojai". Ventura County Star. Camarillo, CA.
Erasmus, Janine. "South African quartet plays for peace". Media Club South Africa.
"The Instruments". Quartet of Peace.
Official website

The article from The Sunday Times is reproduced here on Lisus's official website. To ensure that it is a faithful reproduction, post a request at Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request. Someone should be able to email you a pdf from an official source. Meanwhile you can work from Lisus' copy.

I have HighBeam Research access through The Wikipedia Library (another useful place if you end up writing regularly). So if you want, I can email you a pdf of the article from The Sunday Independent. To receive email without disclosing your email address publicly, configure your email in Special:Preferences. I believe sharing the article with you is allowed under the fair use research provision. We can't post the article somewhere public, though, and to abide with the terms of my access to HighBeam you must cite it as above when you use it.

More potential sources are listed under press on Lisus's website. You would have to evaluate whether they are reliable.

I suspect all the easy to find sources that can be found by searching for "Brian Lisus" have been found, but you can try your own luck, especially if you have access to any electronic databases, perhaps through your local library or a nearby university library. To get context about schools or people connected with Lisus you may need to do more searches under those names.

I envision the improvements to the article being mainly additions from the sources above - basic biographical information, his education (The Newark School of Violin-making is apparently a big deal in the violin-making community), his career in South Africa (including the school he set up), and his day-to-day work making instruments for top performers around the world. The Sunday Times mentions his cello Misha "being hailed as one of the best cellos ever made." If you can find more about that, it's got to be worth a paragraph. The "Quartet of Peace" is given weight in the current stub disproportionate to its importance in Lisus' career, making it come across to some editors as cheesy promotionalism and name-dropping. From what I've read it was a sincere project, and expanding the rest of the draft should solve the problem of undue weight.

There's enough good material in the sources that with diligent work you should be able to turn the stub into at least a B-class article. Familiarize yourself with the quality grading scheme and aim for that. At some point you'll need to add an infobox, which you're familiar with from Byron Schenkman. You'll also want a photo of him (and maybe one or two of his work), but copyright law makes that very tricky. You haven't taken a photo of him, and it's highly unlikely that anything you find on the web will be licensed appropriately to be used on Wikipedia. There's a mechanism for requesting that the community get a photo for you, Wikipedia:Requested pictures, and it's worth trying, but I doubt it works well for photos of living people. You can contact Lisus and ask him for a photo, but because the copyright is held by the photographer, the only photo of him that he could give you permission to use would be a selfie. He might be able to put you in touch with someone who has taken his photo. In either case the photographer has to be willing to grant anyone the right to use it in a commercial product, which professional photographers may be leery of doing. You may find the essay "User:R. Baley/Acquire a free image" useful, or hunt around Wikipedia for more advice.

See also

Wikipedia:WikiProject Musical Instruments - who knew the subject had a whole project?

Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography

Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons - policy

Wikipedia:Manual of Style - I'm sure you've read it before, but I learn something new every time I reread it

Wikipedia:Writing better articles - ditto

I'm sorry for the tardy response. I need to put this project on hold for a few weeks. My husband lost his job and we're in transition. It looked like the Brian Lisus article wasn't in immediate danger of deletion but if it is, and someone else wants to work on it, please go ahead and coordinate with another editor.

I'd done a lot of research before you got back to me. I like the Popular Mechanics article, and the two from All Things Strings, but I would like to see the articles you found.

I'll write you again here when I have time to focus on Wikipedia. ~ RoseSong

I'm sorry to hear that all is not calm seas and smooth sailing. Wikipedia will keep while you deal with more important things. Having survived AfD, the article is in no danger of deletion. Someone else might notice it and improve it, but that's unlikely. If it remains unimproved for a year or so I may take a stab at it myself, but I already have more than 300 articles on my to-do list. Best Wishes, Worldbruce (talk) 11:28, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]