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Jody Serrano (9 September 2022). "How Wikipedia's 'Deaditors' Sprang Into Action on Queen Elizabeth II's Page After Her Death". Gizmodo. And then there was Charles, the Queen's son who has waited to become King for what seems like an eternity. "What name would he take as King?" the Wikipedia editors wondered. They changed his name in the Queen's article—from "Charles, Princes of Wales" to "Charles III" to "Charles, King of the United Kingdom"—a number of times. (Charles settled on "Charles III.")
Annie Rauwerda (9 September 2022). "Who the hell updated Queen Elizabeth II's Wikipedia page so quickly?". Input. Over on the article for now-King Charles III, there was a frenzy of title changes as editors waited for his regnal name to be announced. Charles' article changed titles five times while people waited for his official regnal name.
Unless King Charles III chooses otherwise (and so far he hasn't), I assume the royal house name will remain Windsor. All the more so, now that the succession is no longer male-preference. Thus avoiding the constant name change, every time a king succeeds a queen-regnant, which is likely to happen more frequently in the UK's future. GoodDay (talk) 22:59, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sex-neutral succession surely makes no difference because titles continue to pass down in the male line. When Edward VII succeeded Victoria, he did so by virtue of his descent from Victoria; nonetheless, the House of Hanover ceased to reign because Edward belonged to his father's Royal House (Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, changed to Windsor). As such, surely Charles III belongs to his father's Royal House?
That's not a straightforward answer itself, though. Prince Philip renounced his Greek and Danish titles, so I'm assuming he no longer belonged to the House of Glücksburg. So what House did he belong to? Perhaps Windsor — not by virtue of his marriage to Elizabeth II but in his own right when he was made a Prince of the United Kingdom ahead of their marriage. (I actually don't know the answer to this.) Vabadus91 (talk) 20:05, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Royals demonstrably belong to the Royal House of their father. To suggest that somehow Charles is an exception is itself speculation. What is unclear (to me) is what House Prince Philip actually belonged to. Vabadus91 (talk) 22:38, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's not "speculation" that Charles is of the House of Windsor, it's in all reliable sources, if you care to look. The reason is the Royal Proclamations of 1952 and 1960. The talk page isn't for chit-chat. If you have any sources on this subject then suggest them. Otherwise your speculations are irrelevant. See WP:NOTFORUMDeCausa (talk) 09:57, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Royal Proclamations of 1952 and 1960 relate to the surname that members of the family would use, not the name of the Royal House. If they did somehow include the name of the Royal House, that would mean Charles belongs to the "House of Mountbatten-Windsor" as per the 1960 revision.
It is not unreasonable to question how Charles belongs to the House of Windsor when it is a demonstrable fact that royals belong to the dynastic house of their father, not their mother, hence why Victoria was of the House of Hanover but her son, Edward, was of the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. Vabadus91 (talk) 16:08, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Until we hear to the contrary? Charles III is a member of the House of Windsor. But yes, this is the first time a British Isles King succeeding a Queen regnant, kept his mother's royal house name, rather then adopt his father's. Had the latter occurred? it most likely would've been Mountbatten. GoodDay (talk) 16:34, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
But how is he a member of the House of Windsor? Membership of dynastic houses has always been determined by agnatic descent. I cannot find any evidence suggesting that these rules have changed.
Wikipedia's entry of dynasty cites, as an example, the Earl of Snowdon, who is in the line of succession to the British throne through cognatic descent, but is not a member of the House of Windsor because he lacks agnatic descent from it. This situation is identical to that of King Charles, his first cousin.
Rules? The royal rule is "make the rules up as you go along". The "how" is straightforward: by royal proclamation. We have an adequate, though arguably suspect of being self-serving, primary source for this. Now, if there's criticism of this as being an ad hoc mess that doesn't follow the "correct" rules for traditional European(... ish) houses, we have to source that, and establish whether including such commentary is at all WP:DUE. (My guess would be, "not". It's an over-stuffed article as it is.) 109.255.211.6 (talk) 21:38, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's right in the 1960 proclamation from Queen Elizabeth II: "I and My Children shall continue to be styled and known as the House and Family of Windsor [emphasis mine]." Charles is, obviously, one of Elizabeth's children. --₪MIESIANIACAL05:57, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Should we use the title "King of the United Kingdom and the 14 other Commonwealth realms" in the lead or "King of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the 14 other Commonwealth realms"? Personally I think it id unnecessary to use the full name of the UK. Векочел (talk) 22:00, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, though it might be useful if we can work a link to the United Kingdom article into the lead of this page for the benefit of any readers who are unclear as to what constitutes the UK. Rosbif73 (talk) 09:31, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Spelling out the full name leads to a strong run-on phrase vibe, and what's worse, as Celia implies, leads the brain to wander off down the ambiguous associativity direction. ((UK of GB and NI) and RoC) or ((UK of GB) and RoC). And [[United Kingdom]] would be text-book WP:OVERLINK, especially in a lead. So of the three there's really only one choice. You'd need a complete restructuring to avoid it (and I'd suggest, not). 109.255.211.6 (talk) 10:24, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The exclusivity of this article to England smacks of arrogance. Anyone reading it would have no way to know that he is King of Canada in a real and legal sense without looking for the fine print. This should be included in the introduction and info boxes. 216.19.181.213 (talk) 17:32, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Defender of the Faith, & King infobox headers.
It seems that someone has added Defender of the Faith and King to the infobox just below Head of the Commonwealth? I think it's quite strange. It will be reversed for now due to it being unnecessary.
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