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Advertising problem

As an example of the advertising problem, the word "solution" is a WP:BUZZWORD. Likewise, awards are only noteworthy with reliable, independent sources providing context. Grayfell (talk) 06:57, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ESofmind: Hello.
As I said, "solution" was an example, but there are plenty of other issues here. From past experience, I know that it won't be productive for me to list just one more specifically, and if I had the time and inclination to list all of them I would've already fixed the article myself.
Another larger issue is the excessive amount of promotional minutia, which needs to be trimmed and contextualized. While the changes you've made have been a positive step, they are just a relatively small step, and are insufficient. Citing press releases to include promotional details is using Wikipedia as a PR service, and is itself a misuse of Wikipedia.
Since you are one of the editors who has added much of this material to begin with (here, as one example), I would also request that you review Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. If you are compensated for editing in any way, you must disclose this fact, per WP:PAID, to comply with Wikipedia's terms of service.
Either way, my advice is to consider how this article would read to someone who is not part of the "consulting, systems integration, outsourcing, and solution" industry. Avoid business cliches and press releases and do not be afraid to trim filler.
Thanks. Grayfell (talk) 20:38, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. It feels like the vast majority of the article is written by a PR department, but it doesn't come down to individual sentences. tedder (talk) 21:00, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have replaced {{advert}} with {{UDP}}. This article was substantially edited by many UPE sockfarms. That includes 34,300 bytes of aggregate diff sizes by a major UPE company (related SPI, including ESofmind), as well as substantial edits from other UPE socks beyond that SPI. In any case, the content problems are still the same: the article is pile of PR talk. MarioGom (talk) 17:53, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A bit of a mess

Goodness - this article is bit of a mess. I'll try to get some structure and de-advertisement in here in the coming days. Feel free to share any insights, where available. --Tec Tom (talk) 21:26, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Tec Tom, I just came across this page by chance and I hope you haven't forgotten about it. It looks...yikes. If you're taking suggestions, I think the first and easiest things to fix would be to delete the excessive lists of awards and products common to many company articles and to standardize the section formatting a little (such as removing that bizarre contents box in the "Products and services" section). Might do it myself, we'll see. Toadspike (talk) 20:43, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh wow, just found this page. Thanks for your input above @Tec Tom and Toadspike:. Agree needs some working on. --Treetear (talk) 13:02, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi all. Never saw your message. @Toadspike: Next time feel free to ping me if I don't respond within the next week or two. @Treetear: thanks for weighing in. Any help is appreciated! I might also finally get to this in the coming weeks. Tec Tom (talk) 17:41, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Started some trimming, does need more work @Tec Tom and Toadspike:. --Treetear (talk) 21:48, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]