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Most recent research on the Divan-e Shams-e Tabrizi.

Here you can find a most recent research on Divan-e Shams-e Tabrizi, in 2 volumes. They are in PDF format, and are donated to the public by the authors. In these volumes accents (اعراب) have been added to the words which will make correct reading and understanding of the contents much easier for those commanding Farsi. In addition difficult words have been translated to help. You are termite to download the contents to your devices should you want to.

Divan-e Shams-e Tabrizi Volume1 ديوان شمس تبریزی با اعراب و معانی کلمات مشكل جلد اول

Divan-e Shams-e Tabrizi Volume2 ديوان شمس تبریزی با اعراب و معانی کلمات مشكل جلد دوم

Balkh City

Balkh City was much larger in 13th century. Mevlana was born in Balkhi, currently located in Afghanistan.

His surname was Balkhi, which in Persian means "from Balkh", how come we still keep playing with his origin?

Some people running on Wikipedia mis-information agenda. 84.251.64.121 (talk) 08:45, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable sources make clear that he was born in Vakhsh, not Balkh (where his family was from) - so this should just be removed the infobox and the like. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:12, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Honestly do not care where Rumi was born, but...
  • "DJALAL AL-DIN RUMI B. BAHA' AL-DIN SULTAN AL-'ULAMA'WALAD B. HUSAYN B. AHMAD KHATIBI, known by the sobriquet Mawlana (Mevlana), Persian poet and founder of the Mawlawiyya order of dervishes, which was named after him, was born on Rabi'I 604/30 September 1207 in Balkh, and died on 5 Djumada II 672/1273 in Konya." --The Encyclopaedia of Islam, Vol. II:C-G, Brill, 1991, page 393, H. Ritter.
  • "Rumi's birth in Balkh..." -- The Masnavi, Book Five, Jalal al-Din Rumi, page xxvii, transl. Jawid Mojaddedi, Oxford University Press.
  • "Afghanistan vigorously claims Rumi on ground of "jus soli" because he was born in Balkh..."-- Rapture and Revolution: Essays on Turkish Literature, Talat S. Halman. Syracuse University Press, page 263.
  • "Rumi, was born in Balkh on the 6th of Rabi' alawwal 604 A.H...." --Islamic Art and Spirituality, Seyyed Hossein Nasr, page 115, State University of New York Press
  • "Mawlana Jalal al-Din Rumi was one of the greatest poets and mystics of the Islamic world. He was born in Balkh (Korasan) in AD 1207.." --Poetry and Mysticism in Islam: The Heritage of Rumi, ed. Amin Banani, Richard Hovannisian, Georges Sabagh, page 3, Cambridge University Press.
  • "Perhaps the greatest Sufi poet of all, Jalal al-Din Molavi Rumi, was born near Balkh.. --Iran: What Everyone Needs to Know, Michael Axworthy, page 35, Oxford University Press.
These are just a few I found searching for only university published sources. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In-depth works on Rumi, such as those by Franklin Lewis, and including the books and articles already cited in the note on the page, explain the residence of Rumi's father in Vakhsh at the time of Rumi's birth in some depth, led by the early scholarship of Fritz Meier. We also have Annemarie Schimmel attesting this scholarship. That's already three eminent subject-matter experts. The above works by contrast appear to be mainly more generalist sources, which one might forgive for being looser on the finer biographical detail. Hellmut Ritter is also an expert, but his 1991 EoI entry is dated. Jawid Mojaddedi is an Afghan scholar who might be forgiven for leaning into the POV identified by Talât Sait Halman: "Afghanistan vigorously claims...". The works by Seyyed Hossein Nasr and Richard G. Hovannisian are again generalist, while Michael Axworthy says "near Balkh", not "in Balkh", which in a very broad sense Vakhsh could be considered to be. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:43, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 

Semi-protected edit request on 25 December 2022

Rumi was born in Balkh in present day Afghanistan. This was deleted and someone claims he was born in in the present day post Soviet republic of Tajikistan while there is no proof for that. How can you ignore the fact that Rumi was born in Balkh, present day Afghanistan according to the vast majority of all historians and intellectuals in this world. Wikipedia really has become a playground for vandals and ultranationalists 2A00:20:D00F:C03:7904:9EFF:C562:62C5 (talk) 17:27, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lemonaka (talk) 18:15, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jalal al-Bakri

Jalal al-Din al-Bakri al-Rumi has an Arab lineage that goes back to Abu Bakr So why is it published in Wikipedia that he is Persian? I hope that the page is neutral, far from nationalism. 2A00:5400:E058:2A14:9C4D:98FC:7080:2EC6 (talk) 10:18, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 16 January 2023

The place of birth of Rumi is Balkh (present day Afghanistan). 166.48.208.115 (talk) 22:51, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:03, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of sourced information

@Af420: Wanna explain to everyone why you are removing supported by two WP:RS (including one by the Oxford University Press) and instead adding information supported by random websites such as rumibalkhi.com? [1] [2] [3] HistoryofIran (talk) 21:44, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Af420: This is barely any better, as you still are using non-WP:RS. I ask you again as I did on your talk page, which you failed to answer: How are your random websites WP:RS? Explain. HistoryofIran (talk) 21:55, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Dear @HistoryofIran:

Let’s just remove “rumibalkhi.com”, my other sources are still much more reliable than yours. The sources that proves my point are some of the most popular, known and respected websites, like:

Af420 (talk) 22:02, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Af420: Those are not “my” sources, I didnt add them. Is it that hard to answer a simple question? I ask again: Can you please demonstrate how these sites constitute as WP:RS? Are they academic sources, written by historians? If you cant adress this then I will restore the original revision, and if you revert after that, it will be WP:ANI. HistoryofIran (talk) 22:07, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Af420: I see you conveniently disappeared. You have till Monday to demonstrate it, that's seven days counting from my earlier comment. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:53, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@HistoryofIran: what’s your problem, why do u think everything on Wikipedia should work the way you want it to work? If websites like United Nations and The New Yorker says that Rumi was in fact born in Afghanistan, then there is in fact a chance that he was born there. Moreover, now we have both places as the birthplace, so let people see both sides, if u find better sources than mine, please add them, as many sources u have the strongest your opinion will be. Furthermore, instead of just writing your feelings, please add some good sources! BTW, not everybody has so much free time, so I’ll not be able to discuss this situation with you anymore, you can absolutely do as you wish, but I advise you to always have sources that proves your point:)

Af420 (talk) 02:01, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ "Rumi was born in the early thirteenth century, in what is now Afghanistan". The New Yorker. 5 January 2017.
  2. ^ "UN culture agency celebrates life of poet, philosopher and spiritual leader Rumi". United Nations. 6 September 2007.
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