User talk:Zxc809

Your removal of "Jewish" from ethnicity in articles

Hi Gschofer. I noticed that you've been removing "Jewish" from the ethnicity of a lot of articles. Is there a discussion or a consensus that was reached that justifies this removal? Have you discussed this with anyone? I'm concerned that your content removal is not based off a discussion with others... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:02, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not remove any more content from articles, such as what you've been doing, without discussing your changes here. I'm inclined to revert these changes if no discussion is made first. Please respond and discuss this concern; I'd really appreciate that. Thank you. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:06, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia, as you did to Alan Berg with this edit, you may be blocked from editing. Thank you. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:33, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

ANI

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:45, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Zxc809 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I now understand that I was engaging in disruptive editing by not talking about the edits first. Then I made the situation much worse by repeatedly editing multiple pages without talking about it first. Also I did realize any any comment that seems like a legal threat will cause an indefinite suspension. I won't engage in disruptive editing any more. I'm requesting to have my account reinstated.

Decline reason:

Procedural decline Duplicate appeal. Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 18:33, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Warning

Hi Gschofer. I see that your edits to remove "Jewish" from the ethnicity section of infoboxes have been raised at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Please discuss these changes there and allow the conversation to come to a conclusion before continuing to make these changes. Continuing to make these edits without discussing other editors' concerns will result in a block from editing. GorillaWarfare (talk) 02:02, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

July 2016

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 31 hours for persistent disruptive editing. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Widr (talk) 11:53, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Zxc809 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

OK I understand that whether being Jewish is an ethnicity is debatable. I won't edit anymore posts unless there is no reference to both parents being Jewish. Jewish scholars might be able to better answer this question. However to be fair you might consider putting ethnicity as Christian on pages if both parents are Christian. There are many different Christian ethnicity's as well. I also was not aware that web pages must come to a consensus before making changes

Decline reason:

Not only am I declining your unblock but I'm tempted to extend your block to an indefinite one. After careful consideration, I have decided against doing so, but note that if you don't stop with this sort of thing, your next block will almost certainly be indefinite. Yamla (talk) 13:04, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm concerned that you should cite references to the fact that you consider Jewish people an ethnic group. Failure to do so could open WikiPedia to possible lawsuits for living people listed there. I think it would smarter to leave out ethnic group since it's redundant when you refer to people born to Jewish parents.

Furthermore with the Easter article you need to city references to Easter being similar to Passover. Jews do not consider easter related in any way to Passover. I won't touch that listing because there is always another side to the story.

AN/I

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. _Muffled ^Pocketed 13:24, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for abuse of editing privileges. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.

You were warned about your behaviour. As you chose to ignore that warning and extend a borderline legal threat, it would clearly be inappropriate to allow you to continue editing. I have extended your block from 31 hours to 'indefinite'. --Yamla (talk) 13:31, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You obviously know nothing about the law. Wikipedia is immune from lawsuits from the DMCA act of 1996. You are violating WikiPedia's terms of service by stating that Jewish is an ethnicity without any reliable sources. If you want to cite Jewish as an ethnicity then you must cite Christian as an ethnicity as there are many different ethnicity's within Christianity.

It's not a legal threat whatsoever. I would not take legal action as I have no reason to do so. Your point of view is one sided against Jewish people. You are obviously all Christians who truly believe that Jewish is an ethnicity. If being Jewish is an ethnicity then being Christian is also an ethnicity as there is no difference. I've verified with several Rabbi's that being Jewish is NOT an ethnicity and that Easter has no relation to Passover whatsoever. You on the other hand have provided no factual information that Jewish is an ethnicity from any reliable source. Are any of your editors Jewish? Have you contacted any Rabbi's or Jewish scholars? Maybe you have as I have no idea.

The block should be undone ASAP, we don't block for borderline legal threats. We block for genuine legal threats. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 15:24, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The editor wasn't blocked for legal threats, they were blocked for disruption. --Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 15:30, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That was the 31 hours block, they were then indeffed for NLT or a "borderline legal threat" See above and see the second ANI section where this was the cause for the indef block. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 15:34, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, they were blocked for continuing to be disruptive and for the borderline legal threat, with the focus on continuing to be disruptive. I firmly believe the user should be blocked indefinitely regardless of the legal threat. If you disagree, you are welcome to shorten or lift the block. --Yamla (talk) 15:42, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Both the block log and Yamla's block notification state the reason for the block as "disruptive editing". This is a block for disruptive editing (wherein part of the disruption was throwing around borderline legal threats), which is distinct from a no legal threats block.--Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 15:44, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

How are the two or three comments disruptive? IT's on his talk page and doesn't affect anyone or any article. This is a clear over-reaction. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 15:49, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Because it shows the user isn't listening at all to the concerns of his/her edits. The block is indefinite but not infinite. I'd personally lift it if I was convinced the user's future edits wouldn't be disruptive. Any other admin is also welcome to lift it if convinced. But at the moment, I'm absolutely sure the user would continue editing exactly as they did before, if not worse. --Yamla (talk) 15:52, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I would not make a single edit as it's not worth my time to deal with this matter. Wikipedia is obviously controlled by very prejudiced individuals who mean well but refuse to accept facts.

You're not helping yourself. I think I'm coming to the conclusion that while the mention of "legal threat" was wrong, the block was a good block. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 15:59, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The New Oxford Dictionary defines Jewish as "relating to, associated with, or denoting Jews or Judaism: the Jewish people". Where do you all cite that Jewish is an ethnic group? ...GSCHOFER

"The Jewish people" - like it says. I'm beginning to suspect that you're not even Jewish - just a troll latching onto a bogus issue in order to disrupt Wikipedia. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:20, 8 July 2016 (UTC)}}[reply]

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Zxc809 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I will no longer make any changes to Wikipedia without first discussing the matter with others;. I did not understand that edits are closely monitored. I suggest that Ethnicity be removed when the person is born to Jewish parents because it's redundant. The decision to do that will be made by others and not me. Personally I see no reason to mention that person was born to Jewish parents if it's not relevant to their work. You probably would never mention that a person was born to Christian parents. I'm just suggesting that you be P.C.

Decline reason:

This request does not address the reason for your block, nor does it tie in with your earlier comments. --Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 20:07, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Zxc809 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I will no longer make any changes to Wikipedia without first discussing the matter with others;. I did not understand that edits are closely monitored. I suggest that Ethnicity be removed when the person is born to Jewish parents because it's redundant. The decision to do that will be made by others and not me. Personally I see no reason to mention that person was born to Jewish parents if it's not relevant to their work. You probably would never mention that a person was born to Christian parents. I'm just suggesting that you be P.C.

Decline reason:

I don't see how unblocking you would improve the encyclopedia, particularly since you say below you won't spend any more time on Wikipedia. Huon (talk) 23:05, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Your unblock request doesn't really jive with your comments above. Can you explain the discrepancies? Sir Joseph ^(talk) 19:26, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Request reason:

I apologize for engaging in disruptive editing as I now realize it was bad especially among multiple wikipedia pages. I will not do this again without talking about it first. I'm requesting that my account be unblocked. I allso did not mean to make a legal threat which is against the rules.

Decline reason:

Since you don't plan on making anymore edits to wikipedia[1], there is no reason to unblock you. Vanjagenije (talk) 19:13, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Can you explain what you meant by saying that it is "an insult" to suggest that there is a connection between Passover and Easter? The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 16:08, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's not an insult to say that Easter is related to Passover as I once thought. Easter IS related to Passover in that some Christians believe that THE LAST SUPPER was the first Passover. Sorry but I made a mistake. Also Passoover used to occur at the same time as Easter but that was changed centuries ago. The main reason for wanting my account unblocked is so I can change my username. I don't plan on making anymore edits to wikipedia.

Yes, but my question was not about why you mistakenly though that there was no connection between Passover and Easter, it was about why you thought it was "an insult" to say there was. I am willing to consider unblocking you, but I am certainly not going to do so while that question is unanswered, in view of its relation to other editing that you have done. Even if you thought that it was mistaken to think that Easter and Passover were related, who did you think was insulted by saying that, and why did you think it insulted them? The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk)

In modern times Easter and Passover are not related so I mistakenly called it an insult which was a bad word to choose. I should not have used the word "insult" as is was not an insult regardless of what was said. I apologize for using an incorrect word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gschofer (talk • contribs) 20:16, 22 August 2016

Okay, I understand that, and I wouldn't be bothered about it if it didn't seem to relate to your other editing, which has consisted entirely of attempts to remove reference to Jewish ethnicity, together with your insistence that being Jewish is on a par with being Christian, being only a matter of religion and not ethnicity. Can you explain why you are so determined that reference to Jewish ethnicity is unacceptable? The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 09:38, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I asked a Rabbi if being Jewish is an ethnicity and he replied "Judaism is not an ethnicity. In fact it comprises a variety of ethnicities. Judaism is a religion - like Christianity and Islam - which has a set of rituals and practices that define it as a people. There are certain practices that are common to Jews no matter where they live in the world (e.g. keeping the Sabbath, keeping kosher, etc.) and ethical imperatives (e.g helping the disadvantaged, being kind, etc.) that together help define Judaism both as a religion and as a people." So this was my basis for saying it's not an ethnicity. Perhaps I misinterpreted the Rabbi's explanation. There are no references from reliable sources saying that Jewish is or is not an ethnicty on wikipedia. This should be addressed. I'm sure there will be many opinions both ways. Also if you quote the person as being born to Jewish parents it's redundant to say their ethnicity is Jewish. Ethnicity is a confusing topic because it means different things in different countries. The U.S. Government uses it on surveys to mean Hispanic non White or Hispanic White.

"There are no references from reliable sources saying that Jewish is or is not an ethnicty on wikipedia"? You mean except the half-dozen or so references supporting this very point in the first sentence of the Jews article? Including one by a scholar associated with Hebrew University and another by NYU Press? It's not even a particularly obscure place, but rather the one Jewish ethnicity redirects to. Just where, exactly, did you look for those references you claim don't exist? Huon (talk) 22:38, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

convenience break

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Zxc809 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

In order to change my userid the account needs to be unblocked. I might make additional edits but only by first taking about it to come to a consensus. I realize that you cannot have people making edits based on their own opinion. Doing so is what triggered the disruptive editing. I admit being involved in disruptive editing and will not engage in this behavior again.

Accept reason:

Per discussion below. Welcome back. Beeblebrox (talk) 03:35, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

On a procedural note, given your block history and the contentious nature of your edits, you will not be able to change account names and continue editing without explicitly linking to your old account. --Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 16:20, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I realize that a renamed account it's still the same account. I've seen mistakes on wikipedia not related to the ethnicity topic but was unable to let others know about it due to your persistent block. I had no intention of making a change myself now that I know how Wikipedia works. I just want to let more experienced wikupedians to look at it and decide if the change is proper.

I don't know why this last request has sat here open for so long, you deserve an answer one way or the other at least. I am considering unblocking you but I don't think I'd be willing to do so unless you agree to a topic ban from the subject of Jewish ethnicity, broadly construed. It would also help if you read and understood the reliable sources guidelines, since "this is what I heard from an unamed rabbi in an undocumented conversation" is absolutely not an acceptable basis for changes to encyclopedia articles. Please let me know if you would be willing to accept such terms. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:13, 12 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I apologized for my disruptive editing so I don't know what else I can do. Yes I agree not to engage in any more editing or discussions relating to Jewish ethnicity or any other religious topics.

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