Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gurgen Margaryan

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The result was keep. No prejudice towards a move or a merge discussion. Mark Arsten (talk) 13:01, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Gurgen Margaryan

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The noteworthy element of this story is the extradition and pardoning of Safarov, no the life of Margaryan. Keep as a redirect by all means, but article unnecessary, and biography thoroughly unremarkable. Kevin McE (talk) 08:48, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have started a request to move the article of the killer to Murder of Gurgen Margaryan, as none of similar cases (see Afula axe attack and Bat Ayin axe attack) are called by the name of the perpetrator. I am strongly opposed to deleting the content about Gurgen Margaryan, but I find merging the two articles and saving the contents as such acceptable. Chaojoker (talk) 15:51, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Before the repatriation and pardoning, I could have agreed with both articles being merged there: I think events have overtaken that, and that Margaryan is an incidental victim to the main story. Kevin McE (talk) 18:37, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I have seen artivles with less importance, and the death of this soldier is quite known nowadays in our region. -Eino81 (talk) 16:07, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Before the extradition, Margaryan was still remembered as the victim and I think it would be best to keep these two articles (the victim and the perpetrator) in tandem, rather than merging them into a single article.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 17:05, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep MrArmJack (talk) 17:53, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not a vote: do you wish to present a reason for keeping it? Kevin McE (talk) 18:37, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Move merge with Murder of Gurgen Margaryan--Yerevanci (talk) 19:42, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Concur - move to Murder of Gurgen Margaryan. DS (talk) 00:16, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ per WP:1E. Note: not a single valid argument has been presented in favor of keeping the article. The arguments in the first two "Keep" entries are basically WP:OTHERSTUFF and WP:MEMORIAL, respectively. GregorB (talk) 23:21, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Move/merge into Murder of Gurgen Margaryan (or an equivalent article). Let me clarify my position: the event is notable, but none of the people involved in it are (except for their involvement in it). Not surprisingly, the two articles are bound to have 90% overlap, and that does not make sense. GregorB (talk) 14:16, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep it. Obviously, the killing is the main story, not the extradition and pardon. The man was killed during fulfilling his official function. Also, the incident is throroughly motivated by politics and relations between two countries. So I don't see why it should be deleted. There might be reason to join the victim and killer articles, but I am not sure which is the 'main' one. I guess many killings have two articles - one about the victim and one about the killer. --Sasper (talk) 04:37, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The person is only notable for being murdered, and all the relevant information is already mentioned in Ramil Safarov. Parishan (talk) 08:15, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Same reasoning can be applied to delete Ramil Safarov and keep this one. George Spurlin (talk) 11:49, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as enough notable especially after the last developments. Google has about 50000 answers only for one spelling of his name. OptimusView (talk) 09:07, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Merging of the articles will create a $#!* storm between the Armenian and Azerbaijani users. Both individuals have become famous after the heinous murder and both deserve their own articles. George Spurlin (talk) 11:45, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I don't believe the extradition and the pardon warrants a merger of the killer's and the victims articles. Ongoing events can easily be incorporated into each respective article and it's not like this is the end of it. Wiki is not a memorial but there are plenty of articles dedicated to victims. I would support a merger if there were multiple victims but since there is only one there's no need for an article for the actual murder.-- Ευπάτωρ ^Talk!! 13:04, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I would like to clarify one more thing, while there is significant overlap between both articles I would argue that readers would be interested to learn about biographical data outside of the scope of the murder, that although not notable in itself, is interesting nonetheless. For example the murderer is an 8th grade dropout while the victim was an engineer.-- Ευπάτωρ ^Talk!! 14:23, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As his murder is a starting point of an international dispute. Regards, --Klemen Kocjancic (talk) 13:47, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Rename and modify article as Murder of Gurgen Margaryan. The subject falls under WP:BLP1E, and fails WP:ANYBIO & WP:SOLDIER. That being said his death is clearly notable and passes WP:GNG, WP:EVENT, & WP:EFFECT; therefore the article should focus on the subject's death (as it already does), and not the subject himself.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 17:03, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I think this article is encyclopedic and Gurgen Margaryan is a notable person.--Reality 17:34, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Gurgen is important to Wikipedia.Nocturnal781 (talk) 20:16, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep His murder and the release of his murderer (and his condecoration by the Azeri president) has become an international scandal and a rupture of the peace process between Armenia and Azerbaijan, so it is more than notable. It should be kept. --JewBask (talk) 18:33, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I agree with User:Sasper's ideas. --Esc2003 (talk) 14:24, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The content should definitely be kept, as Margaryan is the victim of an internationally known crime case. As stated above, if the Ramil Safarov article would be moved to Murder of Gurgen Margaryan or Budapest axe attack (such as the articles Afula axe attack and Bat Ayin axe attack which are not called by the criminal's name), I might agree to merging the two, though in that case I'd have to agree with user George Spurlin, which makes keeping this article a definite yes. Chaojoker (talk) 05:22, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
keep- this case is a major international incident and the victim should be at the center of such cases V. Joe (talk) 13:12, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep it. I am opposed to deleting this Article. ►Safir yüzüklü Cekli^mesaj 04:12, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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