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Melon...not a reliable source?

I noticed that you keep reverting stuff when it is referenced from the Korean online streaming platform Melon music. I don't understand it cause it is a fairly big streaming site that is pretty major when Korean music industry is concerned, so why is it unreliable? I wanna hear your thoughts on this.Waltzingmogumogupeach (talk) 01:45, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes, not a reliable source other than for crediting otherwise it shouldn't be used for anything else likewise for every other music streaming services per MOS:ALBUM and WP:VENDOR. In addition, don't include partial composition for selected tracks only which was also the reason I reverted it, if there are no secondary reliable news sources for all tracks then don't include it, we are not not an indiscriminate collection of information nor a newspaper. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 02:04, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Source

Hello. You have removed my changes with message that there is no source for the information, but the album was already mentioned and news article was in the reference list before my change, thus I did not add any additional reference. There is no Wikipedia page for the album yet, so I cannot make reference on it as it was done on previous releases. Let me know what type of reference you want so I can add it SunshineKSH (talk) 16:43, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

@SunshineKSH I had manually restored it after re-verifying it's sourced in the article, your edit was reverted not mainly due to lack of inline source but also due to formatting issues and also introducing inconsistency formatting to the article. An advice for you as a newcomer, you should test out your editing in your personal sandbox or WP:SANDBOX first to get yourself familiarise before editing any article, for copyediting, not much self-training is required however adding tables requires some training, you can read more about adding tables correctly by reading Help:Table. I had also added a Welcome menu in your talkpage, please take your time to read though the content by clicking every single links. Should you have any further questions on how to edit correctly without making mistakes such formatting issues, please ask them at the Teahouse instead where you would get a faster response. Happy editing! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 17:03, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Awards

Can I ask why awards cannot be listed by the time they were announced instead of their name? It is making big confusion to many fans, and we wanted to correct that if possible, so everyone can clearly see what happened when. Also, even if the alphabetical order mattered, the new added awards were totally removed when they had all necessary intonation and formatted as previous ones. SunshineKSH (talk) 21:50, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

@SunshineKSH Awards has always been arranged in alphabetical order all the while, it's the same for other Korean's artists. You write for general readers not exclusive for fans, if you're here for such then read WP:FANCRUFT. It was removed because I reverted it as you changed the arrangement in the same edit, unfortunately you have to add it back again without screwing up the arrangement. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 02:22, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Edit request

Hello, BLACKPINK has won Global Artist in South America at Hanteo Awards today. Can you add it in you list? I will put the source below for your reference. Thanks a lot

https://twitter.com/Hanteo_HMAs/status/1624364856592994304?t=vdUX24rZE5whxbBBD_e_OQ&s=19 Inyourarea123 (talk) 12:42, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

@Inyourarea123 Do it yourself instead, why bothered publishing your edit when the infobox clearly has hidden comments in place warning against unsourced editing, which I doubt you did read them or did read it but pretended to WP:IDHT instead. And don't come and bs me that you can't edit the article, the article currently isn't protected nor is there such things as section protection, otherwise you wouldn't be able to published your unsourced editing, so do it yourself otherwise don't edit at all. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:53, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

I already added it on the main box. I saw that you added the award in the list but not in the main box Inyourarea123 (talk) 13:31, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

@Inyourarea123 If your English is bad and cannot understand what editors are communicating to you then you shouldn't be here per WP:CIR. The notes in the infobox clearly stated that any awards added in the infobox must exists in the main table and also be sourced reliably, of which you clearly and evidently failed to do so with this edit. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:38, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

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Thank you for editing and creating many articles on Korea Lightoil (talk) 04:33, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
@Lightoil Thanks a lot, happy editing! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 04:58, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

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Clarification in Inserting Guest Appearances

Hello! I saw the reason why my edit was removed. But are guess apperances not meant to be counted? Not sure about this. Maybe we should put it especially for those who don't know? Shadyph (talk) 16:02, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

@Shadyph I'm not unsure which edit(s) nor which article(s) you were referring to. Regardless those details ain't important, as per consensus at WT:KO (dig through the archives), no guesting and/or one-time appearances for television shows (regardless of type) are allowed for inclusion for articles within the scope of WikiProject Korea regardless of the subject's occupation(s). This consensus doesn't affects cameo appearances for television series/dramas, of course provided it's sourced reliably per WP:BURDEN in turn WP:VERIFY. In short, only television shows' roles that are of permanent cast member, permanent host/MC, and contestant are allowed for inclusion, similarly provided it's sourced reliably per WP:VERIFY. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:24, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

MOS:TVCAST

Hi @Paper9oll! I just want to ask about section headers like "People related to...". I have edited a Filipino drama article and put these type of headers, however, my edits were reverted saying that we shouldn't put such headers according to MOS:TVCAST. May I ask what is your take in this? - jampol 08:39, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

@Jpmagabo9 It does looks like an improvement to me, however I couldn't find where exactly that edit you made had violated MOS:TVCAST, maybe it just isn't established format for Filipino-related articles (I'm not sure as I don't edit in that area, just my thoughts) hence those "regulars" see it as "alien formatting" hence they anyhow quoted the MOS for that you would have to resolve it with those "regulars" instead, just don't WP:EDITWAR and/or violate WP:3RR will do even if you're frustrated if their answers. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 09:00, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
Thank you so much! I'll take note of these. - jampol 09:06, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Awards

Hi, I added accurate information with reliable source provided, why did you still rollback the edit? Kuycc (talk) 13:24, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

@Kuycc Firstly, welcome to English Wikipedia. Secondly, to answer your question, NO you did not provided a single reliable source. Thirdly, not only did you not provide a single reliable source, you also rearranged the table layout without consensus in doing so. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:32, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
1.MAMA AWARDS - Artist of the Year, its the same source of Best Female Artist.
https://www.billboard.com/music/awards/2022-mama-awards-nominees-bts-blackpink-full-list-1235160065/
2. Asian Pop Music Awards - BEST FEMALE ARTIST , SONG OF THE YEAR , its the same source (same weibo account) of Top 20 Song of the Year (Overseas)
https://weibo.com/7305169762/MjwUq9H52
3. Seoul Music Awards - Main Prize (Bonsang) , this is the official website.
https://www.seoulmusicawards.com/vote
4. Korea First Brand Awards - Most Anticipated Female Solo Singer , only winners of this award will be published in articles. I can only provide the offical website.
https://twitter.com/KSGUpdates/status/1587031342558380032?s=20
http://fba.kcforum.co.kr/2023/index.php Kuycc (talk) 14:12, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
@Kuycc I don't read mind but you're lucky I know what you want, don't paste something without specifying what you want. I have updated the table in accordance to what the sources stated, not done MAMA Award for Album of the Year as she isn't nominated for such. Also not done for Korea First Brand Awards as you didn't provide reliable sources (that Twitter source isn't reliable because it doesn't comes from an official account) and the official website is also failed verification, either you provide a reliable news source that explicit stated such otherwise I won't update it. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:39, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
Please search for "seulgi" on the MAMA Award website, she was nominated for both Artist of the Year and Best Female Artist.
And Asian Pop Music Awards misses nomination for SONG OF THE YEAR, please search for "seulgi" or "SONG OF THE YEAR" on the website.
The Korea First Brand Awards website needs to be connected to a Korean VPN to access.
In addition, is it possible to create a contents of Fan Meetings for 2023 HAPPY SEULGI-DAY?
http://ticket.yes24.com/Special/44820
Thank you so much. Kuycc (talk) 15:22, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Meant to say "Album of the Year" instead of "Artist of the Year", the latter is already updated while the former is failed verification as the Billboard source doesn't explicitly stated such. For Asian Pop Music Awards, it's already included hence I'm not sure why you're making a big fuss as if it wasn't included, if you can't differentiate then go and educate yourself first. For Korea First Brand Awards, I can access the website with no issues, this isn't a access issues, and as stated earlier, it's your WP:BURDEN to search and provide a reliable source to WP:PROVEIT, and likewise this isn't my problem. For fan meetings, we DO NOT include them here as these are non-notable events per WP:NEVENTS and per consensus at WT:KO, we ONLY include actual concerts. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:53, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
First, Asian Pop Music Awards, Seulgi was nominated for 2 awards, "SONG OF THE YEAR" and "BEST FEMALE ARTIST".
"TOP 20 SONGS OF THE YEAR" was decided by the jury and seulgi won.
"SONG OF THE YEAR" and "TOP 20 SONGS OF THE YEAR" are not the same category. If you can't differentiate then let someone who knows edit it.
Second, Korea First Brand Awards, Joy(RV) was nominated for 2019 Beauty Icon, the source is the same as the one I provided above. The official Korea First Brand Award website.
RV was nominated for 2022 Female Idol, the source is the official twitter account.
So seulgi was nominated for “여자솔로가수” "Female Solo Singer". https://twitter.com/kcforum/status/1589467167577509888 Kuycc (talk) 13:39, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
@Kuycc  Done and goodbye. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:01, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

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Yuqi photo

Hi, thank you for letting me know. I actually just wanted to update her photo since the one that was up was from 2 years ago. I just didn’t know how or what to do. Pennsterr21 (talk) 05:40, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Pennsterr21 Kindly read WP:IUP and COM:L. If you have any further questions, please free feel to ask them at WP:TEAHOUSE or COM:HD instead. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:20, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

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WJSN note update

Could you update the precious note you mentioned and add this source [17] also include a message to mention if anyone attempts to change the status of the two members it will be seen as disruptive editing. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 07:15, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

@Btspurplegalaxy Sorry, could you clarify which note you are referring to? Noting that the source is already added via this edit by Lightoil. As for added warning notes to the article, I don't really see the need to include them for now as the article is currently protected, and if they decided to disrupt again by going against the consensus despite the note to look to talk page, then we can request for protection again. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:49, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
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