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Melon...not a reliable source?

I noticed that you keep reverting stuff when it is referenced from the Korean online streaming platform Melon music. I don't understand it cause it is a fairly big streaming site that is pretty major when Korean music industry is concerned, so why is it unreliable? I wanna hear your thoughts on this.Waltzingmogumogupeach (talk) 01:45, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes, not a reliable source other than for crediting otherwise it shouldn't be used for anything else likewise for every other music streaming services per MOS:ALBUM and WP:VENDOR. In addition, don't include partial composition for selected tracks only which was also the reason I reverted it, if there are no secondary reliable news sources for all tracks then don't include it, we are not not an indiscriminate collection of information nor a newspaper. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 02:04, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Source

Hello. You have removed my changes with message that there is no source for the information, but the album was already mentioned and news article was in the reference list before my change, thus I did not add any additional reference. There is no Wikipedia page for the album yet, so I cannot make reference on it as it was done on previous releases. Let me know what type of reference you want so I can add it SunshineKSH (talk) 16:43, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

@SunshineKSH I had manually restored it after re-verifying it's sourced in the article, your edit was reverted not mainly due to lack of inline source but also due to formatting issues and also introducing inconsistency formatting to the article. An advice for you as a newcomer, you should test out your editing in your personal sandbox or WP:SANDBOX first to get yourself familiarise before editing any article, for copyediting, not much self-training is required however adding tables requires some training, you can read more about adding tables correctly by reading Help:Table. I had also added a Welcome menu in your talkpage, please take your time to read though the content by clicking every single links. Should you have any further questions on how to edit correctly without making mistakes such formatting issues, please ask them at the Teahouse instead where you would get a faster response. Happy editing! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 17:03, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Awards

Can I ask why awards cannot be listed by the time they were announced instead of their name? It is making big confusion to many fans, and we wanted to correct that if possible, so everyone can clearly see what happened when. Also, even if the alphabetical order mattered, the new added awards were totally removed when they had all necessary intonation and formatted as previous ones. SunshineKSH (talk) 21:50, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

@SunshineKSH Awards has always been arranged in alphabetical order all the while, it's the same for other Korean's artists. You write for general readers not exclusive for fans, if you're here for such then read WP:FANCRUFT. It was removed because I reverted it as you changed the arrangement in the same edit, unfortunately you have to add it back again without screwing up the arrangement. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 02:22, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Edit request

Hello, BLACKPINK has won Global Artist in South America at Hanteo Awards today. Can you add it in you list? I will put the source below for your reference. Thanks a lot

https://twitter.com/Hanteo_HMAs/status/1624364856592994304?t=vdUX24rZE5whxbBBD_e_OQ&s=19 Inyourarea123 (talk) 12:42, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

@Inyourarea123 Do it yourself instead, why bothered publishing your edit when the infobox clearly has hidden comments in place warning against unsourced editing, which I doubt you did read them or did read it but pretended to WP:IDHT instead. And don't come and bs me that you can't edit the article, the article currently isn't protected nor is there such things as section protection, otherwise you wouldn't be able to published your unsourced editing, so do it yourself otherwise don't edit at all. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:53, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

I already added it on the main box. I saw that you added the award in the list but not in the main box Inyourarea123 (talk) 13:31, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

@Inyourarea123 If your English is bad and cannot understand what editors are communicating to you then you shouldn't be here per WP:CIR. The notes in the infobox clearly stated that any awards added in the infobox must exists in the main table and also be sourced reliably, of which you clearly and evidently failed to do so with this edit. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:38, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

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Thank you for editing and creating many articles on Korea Lightoil (talk) 04:33, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
@Lightoil Thanks a lot, happy editing! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 04:58, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

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Clarification in Inserting Guest Appearances

Hello! I saw the reason why my edit was removed. But are guess apperances not meant to be counted? Not sure about this. Maybe we should put it especially for those who don't know? Shadyph (talk) 16:02, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

@Shadyph I'm not unsure which edit(s) nor which article(s) you were referring to. Regardless those details ain't important, as per consensus at WT:KO (dig through the archives), no guesting and/or one-time appearances for television shows (regardless of type) are allowed for inclusion for articles within the scope of WikiProject Korea regardless of the subject's occupation(s). This consensus doesn't affects cameo appearances for television series/dramas, of course provided it's sourced reliably per WP:BURDEN in turn WP:VERIFY. In short, only television shows' roles that are of permanent cast member, permanent host/MC, and contestant are allowed for inclusion, similarly provided it's sourced reliably per WP:VERIFY. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:24, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

MOS:TVCAST

Hi @Paper9oll! I just want to ask about section headers like "People related to...". I have edited a Filipino drama article and put these type of headers, however, my edits were reverted saying that we shouldn't put such headers according to MOS:TVCAST. May I ask what is your take in this? - jampol 08:39, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

@Jpmagabo9 It does looks like an improvement to me, however I couldn't find where exactly that edit you made had violated MOS:TVCAST, maybe it just isn't established format for Filipino-related articles (I'm not sure as I don't edit in that area, just my thoughts) hence those "regulars" see it as "alien formatting" hence they anyhow quoted the MOS for that you would have to resolve it with those "regulars" instead, just don't WP:EDITWAR and/or violate WP:3RR will do even if you're frustrated if their answers. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 09:00, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
Thank you so much! I'll take note of these. - jampol 09:06, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Awards

Hi, I added accurate information with reliable source provided, why did you still rollback the edit? Kuycc (talk) 13:24, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

@Kuycc Firstly, welcome to English Wikipedia. Secondly, to answer your question, NO you did not provided a single reliable source. Thirdly, not only did you not provide a single reliable source, you also rearranged the table layout without consensus in doing so. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:32, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
1.MAMA AWARDS - Artist of the Year, its the same source of Best Female Artist.
https://www.billboard.com/music/awards/2022-mama-awards-nominees-bts-blackpink-full-list-1235160065/
2. Asian Pop Music Awards - BEST FEMALE ARTIST , SONG OF THE YEAR , its the same source (same weibo account) of Top 20 Song of the Year (Overseas)
https://weibo.com/7305169762/MjwUq9H52
3. Seoul Music Awards - Main Prize (Bonsang) , this is the official website.
https://www.seoulmusicawards.com/vote
4. Korea First Brand Awards - Most Anticipated Female Solo Singer , only winners of this award will be published in articles. I can only provide the offical website.
https://twitter.com/KSGUpdates/status/1587031342558380032?s=20
http://fba.kcforum.co.kr/2023/index.php Kuycc (talk) 14:12, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
@Kuycc I don't read mind but you're lucky I know what you want, don't paste something without specifying what you want. I have updated the table in accordance to what the sources stated, not done MAMA Award for Album of the Year as she isn't nominated for such. Also not done for Korea First Brand Awards as you didn't provide reliable sources (that Twitter source isn't reliable because it doesn't comes from an official account) and the official website is also failed verification, either you provide a reliable news source that explicit stated such otherwise I won't update it. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:39, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
Please search for "seulgi" on the MAMA Award website, she was nominated for both Artist of the Year and Best Female Artist.
And Asian Pop Music Awards misses nomination for SONG OF THE YEAR, please search for "seulgi" or "SONG OF THE YEAR" on the website.
The Korea First Brand Awards website needs to be connected to a Korean VPN to access.
In addition, is it possible to create a contents of Fan Meetings for 2023 HAPPY SEULGI-DAY?
http://ticket.yes24.com/Special/44820
Thank you so much. Kuycc (talk) 15:22, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Meant to say "Album of the Year" instead of "Artist of the Year", the latter is already updated while the former is failed verification as the Billboard source doesn't explicitly stated such. For Asian Pop Music Awards, it's already included hence I'm not sure why you're making a big fuss as if it wasn't included, if you can't differentiate then go and educate yourself first. For Korea First Brand Awards, I can access the website with no issues, this isn't a access issues, and as stated earlier, it's your WP:BURDEN to search and provide a reliable source to WP:PROVEIT, and likewise this isn't my problem. For fan meetings, we DO NOT include them here as these are non-notable events per WP:NEVENTS and per consensus at WT:KO, we ONLY include actual concerts. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:53, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
First, Asian Pop Music Awards, Seulgi was nominated for 2 awards, "SONG OF THE YEAR" and "BEST FEMALE ARTIST".
"TOP 20 SONGS OF THE YEAR" was decided by the jury and seulgi won.
"SONG OF THE YEAR" and "TOP 20 SONGS OF THE YEAR" are not the same category. If you can't differentiate then let someone who knows edit it.
Second, Korea First Brand Awards, Joy(RV) was nominated for 2019 Beauty Icon, the source is the same as the one I provided above. The official Korea First Brand Award website.
RV was nominated for 2022 Female Idol, the source is the official twitter account.
So seulgi was nominated for “여자솔로가수” "Female Solo Singer". https://twitter.com/kcforum/status/1589467167577509888 Kuycc (talk) 13:39, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
@Kuycc  Done and goodbye. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:01, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

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Yuqi photo

Hi, thank you for letting me know. I actually just wanted to update her photo since the one that was up was from 2 years ago. I just didn’t know how or what to do. Pennsterr21 (talk) 05:40, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Pennsterr21 Kindly read WP:IUP and COM:L. If you have any further questions, please free feel to ask them at WP:TEAHOUSE or COM:HD instead. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:20, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

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WJSN note update

Could you update the precious note you mentioned and add this source [17] also include a message to mention if anyone attempts to change the status of the two members it will be seen as disruptive editing. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 07:15, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

@Btspurplegalaxy Sorry, could you clarify which note you are referring to? Noting that the source is already added via this edit by Lightoil. As for added warning notes to the article, I don't really see the need to include them for now as the article is currently protected, and if they decided to disrupt again by going against the consensus despite the note to look to talk page, then we can request for protection again. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:49, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

AWB run on infobox television

Regarding your AWB run on Category:Pages using infobox television with unknown parameters (temp), you may need to make some adjustments to your regex. First, in this edit [18] the |followed_by= value was multiple lines. So when you removed only one line, it left an invalid value. Because it wasn't using {{plainlist}} it didn't break it, but had it been plain list, the infobox would have been broken. Instead, it just included those values in the |last_aired= parameter as that was the previous line. That's how I noticed it because it ended up in Category:Pages using infobox television with nonstandard date. But that brings up another point. It looks like you're just straight up removing |preceded_by=/|followed_by=. Please review the discussion at Template_talk:Infobox_television#Distributor_parameter:_is_it_needed?, especially the stuff later after consensus was reached - we don't want to indiscriminately remove those values. In some (and even most) cases, they should become |related= entries. So if no |related= entry exists, you can use AWB to merge the values and change the param to |related=. Where a |related= value already exists, these need to be looked at and determined if they should be merged with what's already in |related=. Here's an example: [19]. Note that the |preceded_by=/|followed_by= parameters were removed and the value from |followed_by= became |related=. If I can't convince you to do that, so be it, but you definitely need to account for multiple line values as mentioned at the beginning because the only reason I noticed this at all was because it didn't use {{plainlist}} and thus was read as part of the previous valid line. Had {{plainlist}} been used on that entry, it would have broken the infobox. By way of example, here's what happens when a multiline value is missed [20]]. Hope all that makes sense. Ping me if you have any questions or concerns. ButlerBlog (talk) 12:52, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

@Butlerblog Ya, my algorithm sometimes doesn't works for whatever unknown reasons that I'm still trying to debug on otherwise it does stills work in most cases with exception of some like the one you linked above, which I have to rollback and remove it manually, however may have overlooked the above one. As for |preceded_by and |followed_by values, majority of the time, they are unrelated (basically param abuse) hence I just removed them. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:57, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
Something I just thought of as well is that even if you were looking for values with {{plainlist}}, that one I saw would have been missed anyway because the only thing about it was it was an unusual multi-line entry that would be unexpected. For me, I'm right now primarily just focusing on the "easy" ones, such as empty values or just |distributor= with an entry, and I'm skipping entries that need more review or complex changes. ButlerBlog (talk) 13:14, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
@Butlerblog Noted, thanks. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:19, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
Sorry - just one other thing to mention out loud in case you hadn't noticed it: Some of the |distributor= values contain named references and are the primary citation for that ref. In those instances, make sure that if you remove it, that the named ref isn't actually used elsewhere in the article. Otherwise, the ref needs to be moved or the article instance will be broken. For me, those are just on my ignore list for now since they require some manual checking. So far from what I've seen, it's rare, but there are some out there. If you've already noticed this, just ignore my comment ;-) ButlerBlog (talk) 13:20, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
@Butlerblog Yes aware of that, thanks — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:22, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

In Special:Diff/1144902757, you removed sourced content from an infobox. Please stop using this script. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 02:47, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

@NinjaRobotPirate Apologies, was doing Ctrl+S with relative speed, may have gone to fast with my hands and overlooked it. However, upon checking your diff, it's due to that article's infobox having a messed up syntax which maybe I'm blind or maybe I'm not regardless it's a mistake. But no worries, I won't help out in clearing that category anymore since it's prone to some form of errors be it human-made (me overlooking) or due to messed up syntax. Happy editing! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 02:58, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
@NinjaRobotPirate Dude, seriously you need double check Special:diff/1145065720 again, I only removed deprecated distributor param which has been removed from the Template:Infobox television's coding per Special:diff/1144597808. The named ref on the distributor line is already declared first on production_companies line hence there isn't any breaking or removal of references. Fyi, the overlooked AWB run that removed the reference accompanying the released line is still there hence I'm not sure why you exactly reverted it maybe you would like to clarify further. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 03:09, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
{{infobox film}} has not deprecated the distributor parameter. You are not editing a television infobox. You are editing a film infobox. Look at the wikicode. You can also verify by looking at the rendered page, where a distributor is listed in the infobox. You're removing the distributor field from infobox film, not infobox television. Please keep in mind that "you are responsible for every edit made" per WP:AWBRULES. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 04:46, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
@NinjaRobotPirate Thanks for the clarification, now I see what the issue is, I didn't realise I was editing manually Infobox film syntax, apparently Infobox television is below instead which doesn't has deprecated param. Regardless, I have stopped helping out in clearing that category as stated in my earlier reply, and has no intention in continuing to help the clear that category. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 04:50, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

That doesn't happen often

Sorry about my student reverting you. That doesn't happen often. I'll try to reign them in. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:44, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

@Piotrus No worries, I'm not so concern about them reverting me but more concern that they are citing incorrectly in the incorrect formatting and also unable to differentiate unreliable source from reliable source when they revert it. Thanks for reigning them, appreciate it. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 09:48, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
Perhaps I missed it - where did they use bad formatting and unreliable sources? I'll try to address the specific diffs in class. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:50, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
@Piotrus Adding source as external links as seen here, here, and not sure what exactly is going on here but certainly required teaching. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 09:54, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
First diff seems broken? I'll talk to the student about the other two. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:54, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
@Piotrus My bad, fixed the link, should be correct now. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 10:57, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

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Change from “Kim” to “Jin”

I saw the suggestion to change the name of the page and saw that you were directed to "FAQ". I support the name change for two reasons:

1. The answers on the "FAQ" page do not answer the questions and if the claims on this page are correct, most of the names of the articles about BTS members should be changed.

2. When I translated this page to the Hebrew Wikipedia, it was decided to use the name "Jin" due to all the reasons you mentioned. Estyxxxx (talk) 16:11, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@Estyxxxx Hi, I assumed you were to referring to Talk:Kim Seok-jin#Global revision: Change from “Kim” to “Jin” where I linked Talk:Kim Seok-jin/FAQ in my reply. Fyi and in case you're confused, the FAQ page is the same content included at the top of Talk:Kim Seok-jin where the bunch of yellow boxes are located (only viewable on desktop), you just need to scroll down slightly till you see the box with the title "Frequently asked questions (FAQ)" where clicking on the "View" link (located at the left side of the same box) would redirect you to the same FAQ page hence I didn't randomly linked it. In addition, I didn't create the FAQ page in case you're curious, the page was created by another editor instead and can be verified by viewing the page's history.
The answers to point 1 of your question is already answered in the same FAQ page, if you still have any objections after reading through the FAQ and its linked discussion, then as per A1 of the FAQ, quote "If you disagree with this reasoning, you may request a move" in which you may request a move by following the instructions at WP:RMCM. However do note that, the move request is unlikely to succeed however you may try as there isn't any harm in doing so. As for point 2 of your question, whatever Hebrew Wikipedia does isn't related and has zero connections to English Wikipedia, they have their set own of guidelines and policies while English Wikipedia have their set own of guidelines and policies in which both are not the same despite carrying Wikipedia in its name. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:29, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
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