Talk:East Palestine, Ohio, train derailment

Railway Safety Act of 2023; housing cover study; EPA radius expansion inquiry

[Three-in-one topic so I can avoid creating three separate sections]

The first is a senate bill introduced March 1. The text available on the senate cosponsors' webpages has no number, and the numbered bill at congress.gov has no text (yet), so I assume that they're the same thing.

The second: "NTSB Examining Rail Car Component in East Palestine Derailment", regarding housing covers.

Third, "Rep. Kelly calls on E.P.A. to expand one-mile radius around East Palestine, Ohio train derailment site to help Western Pennsylvanians" This hasn't actually happened yet, so it probably shouldn't go in the article right now, but it's worth watching. Mapsax (talk) 03:28, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Relevance of the Nemadji River train derailment

An editor, User:FFM784, deleted reference to the 1992 Nemadji River train derailment. To answer their question, yes, there are reasons that we need another link to another accident in "See also." 1) The derailment triggered the largest mass evacuation in the US from a transportation accident and the largest evacuation anywhere in the Midwest. 2) The accident was followed in less than three years by a settlement in which the Burlington Northern RR agreed to hundreds of thousands of dollars to investigation of the type of rail derailment of the sort in the Nemadji River derailment. Furthermore, the BN committed to purchase ultrasonic rail inspection cars.

In sum, the issues that arise in the cross-referenced article related directly to concerns that arise in the East Palestine derailment: derailment, technology to detect derailments, a railroad's nominal commitment to tackle derailment issue and the evacuation of thousands.Dogru144 (talk) 03:01, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Disaster

I am not sure what the status was during renaming efforts, but this event is currently clearly labeled as a disaster in news sources (1). The most prominent Ohio politicians have described it as a disaster (2, 3, 4, 5) and are requesting a major disaster declaration (6), and major FEMA and US and Ohio EPA involvement supports the naming as well. ɱ (talk) 20:06, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

If nobody has any comments or objections to this, I will request that the page is moved. ɱ (talk) 12:15, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Removal of Police Comment Under Health Information.

I propose that the section with the officer stating "The Guardian reported, quoting a police officer who presents at the incident: "We were never told about the cargo on the train and we were never told to wear protective clothing, although it did not matter because our Personal protective equipment (PPE) dates back to 2010". Ohio citizens fear health hazards near train sites while no one is being held answerable." The section does not provide any factual information from an expert. Grinhelm (talk) 12:37, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

The section "Second Ohio derailment" should be removed due to lack of relevence.

The section discussion the second Ohio derailment should be removed. There have been six other rail accidents but those are not mentioned. Grinhelm (talk) 15:55, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Since there seems to be renewed media interest in train crashes (for whatever reason), should we consider spinning off to another article, "2023 Rail Accidents in the United States"? Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:18, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

The Springfield train wreck is captured on the page List of rail accidents (2020–present). The page shows major rail accidents in 2023. Grinhelm (talk) 16:20, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Meh. It isn't very relevant, but RSs have mentioned the two accidents together so following that coverage is a reasonable default. VQuakr (talk) 16:44, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Maybe create 2023 United States freight derailments or a similar article to cover all of these derailments? InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 17:54, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 6 April 2023

2023 Ohio train derailment → 2023 East Palestine train derailment – WP:PRECISE would justify that a more precise title would be better suited for the article, and the previous move discussion did not show substantial opposition to mentioning East Palestine. Data from Google Trends shows that East Palestine gained more searches (albeit marginally) than "Ohio train derailment", and Google searches for the incident provide more results for "East Palestine" train rather than "Ohio train derailment", by almost double the amount of queries. All in all, while the improvement is marginal from changing the title to include East Palestine, it conforms with our policies and general trends better. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 17:53, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

@InvadingInvader: the previous move discussion, [1] did show rough consensus against moving to "East Palestine" as too obscure. What has changed since then? Your Google trends search compared apples to oranges by only including "train derailment" in the Ohio string. Here is the corrected one, with the caveat that this is a pretty useless way of looking at things in general. VQuakr (talk) 18:07, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

When an event happens in a small town, people search for it at a much higher rate without including what actually happened. It is necessary in this case to omit "train derailment" from East Palestine, as people very well (in my data at least) did search for it. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 18:11, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

ETA - you made a similar error on the Google searches; when corrected, "2023 Ohio train derailment" is clearly more common. Probably best to withdraw this move nom since it's solely predicated on errors. VQuakr (talk) 18:11, 6 April 2023 (UTC)