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Splitting proposal

This proposal to split is closed as having no clear consensus. Ostensibly, there appear to be about a half dozen clear opposes and nearly as many supports, with a similar number of other opinions recorded. Editors should note that the size of the article at present is not overwhelming and may or may not warrant a split due to size issues. Several editors have voiced the opinion that a possible name change to the article might be considered, possibly taking into account the more recent annexations taking place in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. These items could be considered separately though this current split proposal is closed due to no clear consensus. ErnestKrause (talk) 17:08, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I propose that section Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation#Russian takeover and parts of other sections be split into a separate page called 2014 Russian invasion of Crimea. They are related but different events. Compared to 2022, there is an article on the Russian invasion, but there is a separate article about the annexation. See also d:Q15833607. Privybst (talk) 20:31, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Requested move 1 February 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) Sceptre (talk) 09:44, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation → 2014 Russian invasion and annexation of Crimea – The article describes not only the annexation, but also the invasion. The political and military events in the case of Crimea were an integrated operation, not separate as in 2022 for which there are separate articles 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine and Russian annexation of Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia oblasts. I propose to include the year in the title in order not to confuse with the annexation of 1783, but maybe the hatnote is enough, I also agree with the title Russian invasion and annexation of Crimea. Onlk (talk) 22:24, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ancheta Wis; Could you look at this unexpected request made by another new editor, who appears to have extensive knowledge of Wikipedia Request policies and Dab policies after making only two hundred edits for Wikipedia. The request was made the day after I did a close for very similar move request which was closed as having no clear consensus above. I was thinking that this request seems un-needed and not useful, possibly for quick deletion. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:49, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@ErnestKrause I was inpires by your closing remarks in the split propoal (not a move request) above. Several editors have voiced the opinion that a possible name change to the article might be considered, possibly taking into account the more recent annexations taking place in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. These items could be considered separately. And yes, I edited enwiki before and read the internal discussion already many years. Onlk (talk) 18:23, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support  The title should make it clear that this subject is not only a political declaration, but also a cross-border military operation. —Michael Z. 23:07, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If Michael is supporting then it seems ok. Full 30-day discussion? ErnestKrause (talk) 00:47, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
WP:RM says 7 days is full, and it’s routine for closers to extend if consensus is not clear. As this is a major article, I won’t object to additional extensions until consensus is in no doubt, but seems CRYSTAL to predict how long that will take.  —Michael Z. 02:15, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose   the title is not convenient and the article is also similar to Annexation of Tibet by the People's Republic of China - Jjpachano (talk) 12:18, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose As per Jjpachano. 2001:8003:913E:5D01:34A2:6620:A592:B4 (talk) 02:31, 7 February 2023 (UTC)— 2001:8003:913E:5D01:34A2:6620:A592:B4 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
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Name of the Ukrainian Revolution of 2014 ('Revolution of Dignity' or '2014 Ukrainian Revolution'?)

I've attempted to edit one link to the revolution in Ukraine in 2014 and try and put a name that I view as non-partisan: '2014 Ukrainian Revolution'. The reason is that the name 'Revolution of Dignity' is a name for the revolution widely used in Ukraine, but not internationally. Besides, the name 'Revolution of Dignity' not only does not indicate when or where it took place (it's a vague name), it also sounds partisan (I swear I'm not trying to degrade the name because of pro-russian bias, I personally oppose Russia's invasion and War in Ukraine). Wikipedia's guidelines indicate that articles cannot take any stance in a conflict; I.e, to stay neutral. And even in a war where there's an obvious aggressor (in this case, Russia) and an obvious victim (the Ukrainian people), one can't get carried away with any biases, however small they may be.

As such, I propose that articles in English refer to the Ukrainian revolution as '2014 Ukrainian Revolution.' It's a clear, non-partisan name (in line with Wikipedia's guidelines) specifies when and where it took place, and even indirectly says that it was a popular uprising against their government (the government of Viktor Yanukovich at the time).

I'm open to questions and responses to my proposal. 80.42.174.53 (talk) 12:58, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I you truly think so, then try first to move Revolution of Dignity to Ukrainian Revolution of 2014 or so. Onlk (talk) 13:20, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The name is indeed used internationally. For example here is New York Times. Volunteer Marek 13:22, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We generally use article titles. If there is a problem with the title, request a move of the article.
That article has had at least 9 move requests, and the current title is a result of consensus in November 2021.
One can infer that there was a consensus at the time that the title is sufficiently neutral. If you want argue it’s not, that is the place to start. —Michael Z. 22:27, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And the article Revolution of Dignity falls under WP:GS/RUSUKR, so anonymous editors cannot propose moves or vote on them. I suggest you register as an editor and spend some time editing before leading efforts to reevaluate issues of neutrality in contentious topics.  —Michael Z. 22:30, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 February 2023

The following sentence: "Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk called for a change in EU energy policy as Germany's dependence on Russian gas poses risks for Europe.[409]" should be removed from the article as it is not based on a source. The Guardian article linked does not mention Donald Tusk or any quotes by him. This sentence either should be supported by a legitimate source of should be removed. 37.30.44.187 (talk) 14:39, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I replaced the source that failed verification. M.Bitton (talk) 01:23, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 April 2023

TankDude2000 (talk) 08:59, 12 April 2023 (UTC) I suggest that we should move some parts of this article to the page 2014 Russian invasion of Crimea, while we keep the current article. Obviously the situation wasn’t just an annexation, it was an invasion as well! This is the reason the following pages: Russian invasion of Ukraine and Russian annexation of Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia oblasts are separate![reply]
 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. M.Bitton (talk) 11:17, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Split article

I suggest that we should move some parts of this article to the page 2014 Russian invasion of Crimea, while we keep the current article. Obviously the situation wasn’t just an annexation, it was an invasion as well! This is the reason the following pages: Russian invasion of Ukraine and Russian annexation of Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia oblasts are separate! TankDude2000 (talk) 07:39, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There’s a broader article Russian occupation of Crimea. It is less mature and needs work, but the scope of its subject should be treated as a parent article to this one.  —Michael Z. 16:13, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I refer to an article reffering to the 2014 invasion of Crimea and another one for the annexation. TankDude2000 (talk) 18:07, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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