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Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2022

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change pronunciation of US/CA spelling from /əˈljuːmɪnəm/ ə-LEW-min-əm to /əˈluːmɪnəm/ ə-LOO-min-əm Ocelots33 (talk) 01:56, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. @Ocelots33: What's your source for it being such a fronted l sound? —C.Fred (talk) 02:03, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aluminum lists it without the /j/ sound, and the wikipedia audio sample says it without the /j/ sound. The OED lists the /j/ as optional in British English (which typically uses aluminium anyway) and does not list /j/ at all in American English https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/5898 Ocelots33 (talk) 20:02, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done Part of the problem is my native dialect is a yod-dropping dialect, so in trying to distinguish lj and l, I wasn't hearing the yod sound in lute and was missing the difference. Looks like it's been done at the infobox. —C.Fred (talk) 21:20, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

British fanfic spelling

Why does the page list the British fanfic spelling as the primary spelling? The official recognized spelling is aluminum and should be recognized as such. 73.237.36.27 (talk) 17:34, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See FAQ here --McSly (talk) 17:56, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Umm, because the internationally recognised spelling is 'aluminium' and only Canada and the US spell it 'aluminum'. TrevorLenab (talk) 13:50, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 14 April 2023

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The result of the move request was: Withdrawn. Seems like everyone disagrees with this move, and the title was already made on a compromise. Snow close. (non-admin closure) Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 18:24, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Aluminium → Aluminum – "Aluminum" is the more common name, as shown with this ngram. Thoughts? Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 19:22, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – While "aluminum" is definitely more common, the reason why it's located at "aluminium" is because of the IUPAC. Like, there's three elements with two region-centric names/spellings: "Alumin(i)um", "Sul[f/ph]ur", and "C(a)esium". The IUPAC established the standard that the British spelling should be used for "Aluminium" (and "Caesium") while the American spelling should be used for "Sulfur". Also, see MOS:SPELLING. Paintspot Infez (talk) 21:13, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Don't move This is a english-american spelling difference. Whichever whichever dialect has more prominence is always going to win the "more common" criterion. If that was sufficient argument for a move on its own the entire wiki would use American spelling sooner or later. I don't believe that's what policy prescribes. --Licks-rocks (talk) 21:19, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per MOS:ENGVAR / MOS:RETAIN / Licks-rocks / Talk:Aluminium/Spelling. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 22:14, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose A compromise has been already hashed out at IUPAC and elsewhere long before Wikipedia existed. Attempting to defy it to restart the debate from scratch is not worth anyone's time. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 03:21, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose per others. It's not an American element. See WP:ALUM for the clearly-specified WP standard based on IUPAC authority. DMacks (talk) 03:37, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:ALUM (=MOS): IUPAC-defined spelling in chemical usage. -DePiep (talk) 05:25, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:ALUM. ¹⁴¹ Pr {contribs} 07:08, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:ALUM per all the previous history. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:08, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I think both me and future contributors to this RM will agree with the above points given here, especially I also agree with the WP:ALUM text given. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 12:19, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The "US/CA" is incorrect. When I was in school, our Periodic table of elements which I have in my room right now (Yes, I still hoard my highschool binder after grad 2018) has Aluminium spelt in the non-American (imperial/non-metric) spelling. People of the United States say/spell/measure things oddly (basically as a colonial/patriotic middle finger to a dead king), as a born & raised metric-using 182cm tall, 53kg Canadian I must submit our Country's refusal of Canada being falsely accused of using such an atrocious spelling such as "Aluminum" even though we hang out with enough Americans for most of us Canadian to utilise the American pronunciation without correcting eachother. You can assume the person who initially put CA in there was an American whiteknighting our grammar, eh? XGN CISCO (talk) 21:15, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]