User talk:Tobyox

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Hi, leave a message for me here, if you wish. Tobyox

I do wish

Hey, Tobyox (not Toybox? are you sure?), thanks very much for your nice encouraging vote on The Country Wife for Featured article! I was delighted that you liked the première section. That stuff about the actors is fascinating to me, but I was afraid others might think such a section a bit over the top. That type of info doesn't exactly seem to be common in play articles, but I think it does "ground" the more abstract discussion. Wycherley seems to have shaped the play very closely round the small troupe of available actors—like a true cruft-fan, I would have enjoyed writing three times as much about that—for instance, they all seem to be age-appropriate for their parts (I don't know the birth dates, but I do know who's young and who's middle-aged). That's a whole different way of proceeding—a different theatre production culture—than in the 18th century, where you'd get Garrick impersonating Romeo one night and King Lear the next. Anyway, thanks, great vote! (On a different note, is your name Gunnar, by any chance?) Bishonen | Talk 16:19, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Cathars, Troubordors, Women

Thank you for responding! I went back and signed my name... I am still getting used to the wikipedia.

I started out researching women rulerhip in the Middle Ages, more preciesly, how they came to rulership positions, and what was the social context that allowed them to come to power in a traditionally macho society. First I researched Empress Maude's claim, having been designated by her father to succed her. Then Melisende of Jerusalem (whos family is origionally from Bolougne), and now Eleanor of Aquitaine. The commonality I observe between the three is Cathar Christianity.

According to Chas Clifton in "Encyclopedia of Heresies and Heretics", and Tobias Churchton in "the Gnostics", Gnostic-influenced Cathar Christianity tought that the soal of Adam and Eve came from the same sources (the "Seven Heavens") and were thus equal, while the Catholic church advocated the traditional story of Eve formed from Adam's rib and the reason for mans fall. According to these two sources women held positions of power in their respective societies.

Cathar Christianity was also influenced by Bogimul Christian missionaries from the East. Cathars seem to have dominated large parts of Italy, France and Flanders. Through the Troubordours, Cathar Christianity spread from Langudoc throughout the Aquitaine to the ducal court in Poutiou by the late 1000's, and in Bolounge and other areas of France.

According to Author Alison Weir in her biography of "Eleanor of Aquitaine" before the Catholich Church domanited all France, women could inherit land and property by right and rule them autonomously from their husbands estates

This was the situation from the late 1000's until the Albigensian Crusade of the early and mid 13th century.

Ultimatly, my questions are: to what extent did the troubordours contribute to this influence of Cathar Christianity. According to Chas Clifton much of the Courtly Love poems were actually heavily symbolic of their belifes, that the unatainable noble lady was in fact variously Mary Magdaline or Mary, mother of Jesus. The details reguarding this I have not researched as yet. But that is why I sought advice.

I know I wrote a chapter here.. so will of corse not be offended if you move or remove it, it IS your page!

Let me know your thoughts on this... thax much!!!Drachenfyre